Born again? Prove it!
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I have studied the topic thoroughly. These experiences are different for each individual. I can only speak of my own. I have a sure knowledge from my experiences. And I would never, ever question any one that has received these blessings.
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ilovetherain wrote:I have studied the topic thoroughly. These experiences are different for each individual. I can only speak of my own. I have a sure knowledge from my experiences. And I would never, ever question any one that has received these blessings.
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"Let contention, all contention cease; cease finding fault with and casting reflections upon those who are not exactly with us. Let us show by our daily walk and doings that we have something better than they have. Some of the Elders would much rather fight for their religion than live it. If any one thinks to get into the kingdom by fighting for it, . . . they will find themselves mistaken."
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What about posting? Can you Post for It?iWriteStuff wrote:"Let contention, all contention cease; cease finding fault with and casting reflections upon those who are not exactly with us. Let us show by our daily walk and doings that we have something better than they have. Some of the Elders would much rather fight for their religion than live it. If any one thinks to get into the kingdom by fighting for it, . . . they will find themselves mistaken."
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+1iWriteStuff wrote:"Let contention, all contention cease; cease finding fault with and casting reflections upon those who are not exactly with us. Let us show by our daily walk and doings that we have something better than they have. Some of the Elders would much rather fight for their religion than live it. If any one thinks to get into the kingdom by fighting for it, . . . they will find themselves mistaken."
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Thanks goes out to Sarah and Rewcox for being a second and third witness of Mosiah 27. We must have the carnal man rooted out of us and become a spiritual person, seeking goodness and God's glory instead of sin and apathy.
And, yes, we must continue to repent (seek to shake at the appearance of sin (v31) and trust in the Lord (v34), and not ourselves, see Prov 3:5,6) in order to retain a remission of sins. Nephi, a great prophet, is an example of this very thing.
2 Nephi 4:17-35
17 Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great goodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O wretched man that I am! Yea, my heart sorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities.
18 I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily beset me.
19 And when I desire to rejoice, my heart groaneth because of my sins; nevertheless, I know in whom I have trusted.
20 My God hath been my support; he hath led me through mine afflictions in the wilderness; and he hath preserved me upon the waters of the great deep.
21 He hath filled me with his love, even unto the consuming of my flesh.
22 He hath confounded mine enemies, unto the causing of them to quake before me.
23 Behold, he hath heard my cry by day, and he hath given me knowledge by visions in the night-time.
24 And by day have I waxed bold in mighty prayer before him; yea, my voice have I sent up on high; and angels came down and ministered unto me.
25 And upon the wings of his Spirit hath my body been carried away upon exceedingly high mountains. And mine eyes have beheld great things, yea, even too great for man; therefore I was bidden that I should not write them.
26 O then, if I have seen so great things, if the Lord in his condescension unto the children of men hath visited men in so much mercy, why should my heart weep and my soul linger in the valley of sorrow, and my flesh waste away, and my strength slacken, because of mine afflictions?
27 And why should I yield to sin, because of my flesh? Yea, why should I give way to temptations, that the evil one have place in my heart to destroy my peace and afflict my soul? Why am I angry because of mine enemy?
28 Awake, my soul! No longer droop in sin. Rejoice, O my heart, and give place no more for the enemy of my soul.
29 Do not anger again because of mine enemies. Do not slacken my strength because of mine afflictions.
30 Rejoice, O my heart, and cry unto the Lord, and say: O Lord, I will praise thee forever; yea, my soul will rejoice in thee, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
31 O Lord, wilt thou redeem my soul? Wilt thou deliver me out of the hands of mine enemies? Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin?
32 May the gates of hell be shut continually before me, because that my heart is broken and my spirit is contrite! O Lord, wilt thou not shut the gates of thy righteousness before me, that I may walk in the path of the low valley, that I may be strict in the plain road!
33 O Lord, wilt thou encircle me around in the robe of thy righteousness! O Lord, wilt thou make a way for mine escape before mine enemies! Wilt thou make my path straight before me! Wilt thou not place a stumbling block in my way—but that thou wouldst clear my way before me, and hedge not up my way, but the ways of mine enemy.
34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm. See Jeremiah 17:7 Here is the exception: Mosiah 23:14 Mosiah 2:4; 18:18 (18–22).
35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God will give me, if I ask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness. Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine everlasting God. Amen
And, yes, we must continue to repent (seek to shake at the appearance of sin (v31) and trust in the Lord (v34), and not ourselves, see Prov 3:5,6) in order to retain a remission of sins. Nephi, a great prophet, is an example of this very thing.
2 Nephi 4:17-35
17 Nevertheless, notwithstanding the great goodness of the Lord, in showing me his great and marvelous works, my heart exclaimeth: O wretched man that I am! Yea, my heart sorroweth because of my flesh; my soul grieveth because of mine iniquities.
18 I am encompassed about, because of the temptations and the sins which do so easily beset me.
19 And when I desire to rejoice, my heart groaneth because of my sins; nevertheless, I know in whom I have trusted.
20 My God hath been my support; he hath led me through mine afflictions in the wilderness; and he hath preserved me upon the waters of the great deep.
21 He hath filled me with his love, even unto the consuming of my flesh.
22 He hath confounded mine enemies, unto the causing of them to quake before me.
23 Behold, he hath heard my cry by day, and he hath given me knowledge by visions in the night-time.
24 And by day have I waxed bold in mighty prayer before him; yea, my voice have I sent up on high; and angels came down and ministered unto me.
25 And upon the wings of his Spirit hath my body been carried away upon exceedingly high mountains. And mine eyes have beheld great things, yea, even too great for man; therefore I was bidden that I should not write them.
26 O then, if I have seen so great things, if the Lord in his condescension unto the children of men hath visited men in so much mercy, why should my heart weep and my soul linger in the valley of sorrow, and my flesh waste away, and my strength slacken, because of mine afflictions?
27 And why should I yield to sin, because of my flesh? Yea, why should I give way to temptations, that the evil one have place in my heart to destroy my peace and afflict my soul? Why am I angry because of mine enemy?
28 Awake, my soul! No longer droop in sin. Rejoice, O my heart, and give place no more for the enemy of my soul.
29 Do not anger again because of mine enemies. Do not slacken my strength because of mine afflictions.
30 Rejoice, O my heart, and cry unto the Lord, and say: O Lord, I will praise thee forever; yea, my soul will rejoice in thee, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
31 O Lord, wilt thou redeem my soul? Wilt thou deliver me out of the hands of mine enemies? Wilt thou make me that I may shake at the appearance of sin?
32 May the gates of hell be shut continually before me, because that my heart is broken and my spirit is contrite! O Lord, wilt thou not shut the gates of thy righteousness before me, that I may walk in the path of the low valley, that I may be strict in the plain road!
33 O Lord, wilt thou encircle me around in the robe of thy righteousness! O Lord, wilt thou make a way for mine escape before mine enemies! Wilt thou make my path straight before me! Wilt thou not place a stumbling block in my way—but that thou wouldst clear my way before me, and hedge not up my way, but the ways of mine enemy.
34 O Lord, I have trusted in thee, and I will trust in thee forever. I will not put my trust in the arm of flesh; for I know that cursed is he that putteth his trust in the arm of flesh. Yea, cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh his arm. See Jeremiah 17:7 Here is the exception: Mosiah 23:14 Mosiah 2:4; 18:18 (18–22).
35 Yea, I know that God will give liberally to him that asketh. Yea, my God will give me, if I ask not amiss; therefore I will lift up my voice unto thee; yea, I will cry unto thee, my God, the rock of my righteousness. Behold, my voice shall forever ascend up unto thee, my rock and mine everlasting God. Amen
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=)) It makes me lol when someone says that Faith in leaders is required to be Born of God, and then proceeds to link a scripture that says nothing of leaders
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You're the one making a big deal on being born again. You might want to consider the conflicting messages you send.Stahura wrote:=)) It makes me lol when someone says that Faith in leaders is required to be Born of God, and then proceeds to link a scripture that says nothing of leaders
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Zathura
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Rewcox, you're my favorite here at LDSFFrewcox wrote:You're the one making a big deal on being born again. You might want to consider the conflicting messages you send.Stahura wrote:=)) It makes me lol when someone says that Faith in leaders is required to be Born of God, and then proceeds to link a scripture that says nothing of leaders
:ymhug:
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I''ve been told this is a pro-LDS site. You should be nice to the pro-LDS.Stahura wrote:Rewcox, you're my favorite here at LDSFFrewcox wrote:You're the one making a big deal on being born again. You might want to consider the conflicting messages you send.Stahura wrote:=)) It makes me lol when someone says that Faith in leaders is required to be Born of God, and then proceeds to link a scripture that says nothing of leaders
:ymhug:you're an inspiration ;)
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I think I'll be nice to everyone, and love everyone , not just TBM Mormonsrewcox wrote:I''ve been told this is a pro-LDS site. You should be nice to the pro-LDS.Stahura wrote:Rewcox, you're my favorite here at LDSFFrewcox wrote:You're the one making a big deal on being born again. You might want to consider the conflicting messages you send.Stahura wrote:=)) It makes me lol when someone says that Faith in leaders is required to be Born of God, and then proceeds to link a scripture that says nothing of leaders
:ymhug:you're an inspiration ;)
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You might be on the wrong site, this is a LDS site?Stahura wrote:I think I'll be nice to everyone, and love everyone , not just TBM Mormons
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Yes! Hence why I teach the Gospel of Christ taught within the Book of Mormon so that others can be Born Again!rewcox wrote:You might be on the wrong site, this is a LDS site?Stahura wrote:I think I'll be nice to everyone, and love everyone , not just TBM Mormons
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