Gadiantons in Tent Cities

[ilovetherain]

This is not a discussion about whether or not Tent Cities will occur. I would like to address the fact that there are Gadiantons in the Church, especially in Utah, that still have their temple recommends, fully active, attend the temple, have their preparations in order - so this means that when the call out occurs they "appear" to fully qualify and will be in tent cities with those that have been purified and worthy to be there. Then what? I have family that are Gadiantons, still attending the temple, have their food storage, and plan on leaving when the call out happens. No one is going to know the difference other than the Lord and the Holy Ghost.

Just curious about your thoughts!

[Lizzy60]

The above scenario is why I believe the only "call-out" worth participating in is the one that God Himself tells you about -- where, when, who, what to take, and so on. If church leadership, on any level, issues a call-out, I would get confirmation from the Holy Spirit before heading out. God may have other, better, plans for some people.

[zionminded]

There are, and there will be.

But the refining process of tribulation will weed them out. Both as spiritual gifts of discernment increase, and those not following the voice of Christ will find it difficult to remain hidden.

[shadow]

The call out is already happening. It will near impossible for fakers to have any desire whatsoever to stay in Christ's true and living church. Notice how many are already leaving, maybe not all with their feet yet, but mentally they're gone and will physically separate soon enough. The tares are binding together already. Just in the last few years I can name many who have left the Lords church, some are posters on this site.
There won't be a tent city call out IMO.

[davedan]

I have family that are Gadiantons,

1. How do you know your family members are Gadianton's?
2. What is their agenda?
3. How are they organized? coven? lodge?
4. Who assigned them to be LDS?
5. Do they know they are Gadiantons and love Satan, or they are just in it for the money, or they genuinely believe in NWO and feel any deception/cost to achieve a NWO is justified?

[zionminded]

The call out is already happening. It will near impossible for fakers to have any desire whatsoever to stay in Christ's true and living church. Notice how many are already leaving, maybe not all with their feet yet, but mentally they're gone and will physically separate soon enough. The tares are binding together already. Just in the last few years I can name many who have left the Lords church, some are posters on this site.
There won't be a tent city call out IMO.

In what way is the call out already happening?

[BTH&T]

I have family that are Gadiantons,

1. How do you know your family members are Gadianton's?
2. What is their agenda?
3. How are they organized? coven? lodge?
4. Who assigned them to be LDS?
5. Do they know they are Gadiantons and love Satan, or they are just in it for the money, or they genuinely believe in NWO and feel any deception/cost to achieve a NWO is justified?

Great to hear the reasoning to these question as well.

What is your definition of a "Gadianton"?

[dauser]

The Gadianton will have little desire to leave his comfy home and go out to cold, wet and hungry tent city.

Gadiantons need government, like ducks need water.

A Gadianton robber uses government, rather than intellect and hard work to survive.

Their is very little "gain to get' from tent city government.

A tent city government is not going to force reluctant citizens to perform acts of charity against their will for Gadiantons.

Their will be Judas Iscariots in tent city, who will sell out a community for security. Steal food, lie, cheat, dig a pit for a neighbor, but the Gadianton won't be able to do it hiding behind the protection of government.

Secret Societies will form... but tent city government are called of God. Gadiantons cannot buy into those seats of power to rule and reign over tent city populations like do in the big cities.

The Gadianton will not do as well in tent city.

Government certification, licensing, protectionism, favoritism will have no sway in tent city.

Credential-ism, deploma-ism and accreditation will be replaced by reputation in tent city.

[davedan]

My feeling is that before WW3, the Gadianton's will themselves be called out to various underground bases. They will likely call out certain "useful' and "talented" individuals will be called out to go underground as well.

However, I would hope there wasn't a massive EQ while all the Gadiaton's were underground.

[lundbaek]

Gadiantons are best understood by reading about them in the Book of Mormon. Just look up Gadianton and secret combination in the Book of Mormon index and read the referenced verses. I think more Americans are inadvertently supporting latter-day gadiantons than are knowingly part of their cabal.

[skmo]

In what way is the call out already happening?

In the way that during the last conference we got as much of a "call out" as we're going to get. We were called to be righteous, humble, faithful, to study the scriptures, pray, and fill our vessels both temporally and spiritually as best we can. I'll repeat my belief about "Call outs" from another topic:

People pushing the "call-out" idea are demagogues. People falling for it, especially if this leads them to make doom-and-gloom life plans based on that thinking, are gullible. Please don't be either. Follow the council of the brethren to be prepared. That means get out of debt, don't get new ones, have a year's supply of food (or as best you can with your finances) and fill your spiritual vessel with prayer, scripture study, service to your fellow beings, and worship regularly and devoutly.

Leave the "Doomsday Preppers" mentality with the sensationalist TV show watchers.

[BTH&T]

Gadiantons are best understood by reading about them in the Book of Mormon. Just look up Gadianton and secret combination in the Book of Mormon index and read the referenced verses. I think more Americans are inadvertently supporting latter-day gadiantons than are knowingly part of their cabal.

I agree that we learn of Gadiantons in the BoM, Just very curious about what many on this forum understand them to be?
Seems like there are differing definitions and understandings.

[Ezra]

In what way is the call out already happening?

In the way that during the last conference we got as much of a "call out" as we're going to get. We were called to be righteous, humble, faithful, to study the scriptures, pray, and fill our vessels both temporally and spiritually as best we can. I'll repeat my belief about "Call outs" from another topic:

People pushing the "call-out" idea are demagogues. People falling for it, especially if this leads them to make doom-and-gloom life plans based on that thinking, are gullible. Please don't be either. Follow the council of the brethren to be prepared. That means get out of debt, don't get new ones, have a year's supply of food (or as best you can with your finances) and fill your spiritual vessel with prayer, scripture study, service to your fellow beings, and worship regularly and devoutly.

Leave the "Doomsday Preppers" mentality with the sensationalist TV show watchers.

Making a tv show for others to point fingers and laugh about is a good ploy to take away most people's desire to be prepared. When they can joke about watching those "idiot prepper" going over board on being prepared. And have others to laugh or look down on them with. Makes it really easy to ignor what they are doing.

I'm glad that sort of thing does not work on us lds who have been warned to prepare. Right skmo.

[skmo]

Making a tv show for others to point fingers and laugh about is a good ploy to take away most people's desire to be prepared. When they can joke about watching those "idiot prepper" going over board on being prepared. And have others to laugh or look down on them with. Makes it really easy to ignor what they are doing.

Good, I hope they succeed. Have you actually ever seen some of the "stars?" Some of those bozos are the kind of people the banjo kid in Deliverance would look down on and laugh. It's like the Discovery show Alaskan Bush People. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw yet another Alaska reality show. This one was so ludicrous I wouldn't have believed it had I not taught some people I have. They showed an episode where the mother needed medical help, so they took her to the hospital in Ketchikan. Since they were "Bush" people, they didn't have money so they traded a salmon for help. Gimme a break. Ketchikan in Winter has about 10,000 people. In Summer it's over 20,000. It's a modern city, and they don't barter a pig for a spear.

The various "Prepper" shows have people who show people leaving their jobs, bundling all of their life savings into a piece of wilderness with no utilities, stockpiling goods and food and shooting thousands of rounds of ammo "practicing" for when they get invaded. It has as much to do with being prepared as sacrificing a goat on an alter does to being religious.

I'm glad that sort of thing does not work on us lds who have been warned to prepare. Right skmo.

Exactly. Like I said:

Follow the council of the brethren to be prepared. That means get out of debt, don't get new ones, have a year's supply of food (or as best you can with your finances) and fill your spiritual vessel with prayer, scripture study, service to your fellow beings, and worship regularly and devoutly.

The church even has a website to give some ideas about emergency preparedness, and they're good ideas. Church leaders have also counseled us to prepare physically and spiritually for the challenges to come in days of trial. I might note that none of what I've heard any of them say includes instructions to hawk everything you own to buy a 4WD pickup and load the back with as many cases of Mountain House freeze-dried dinners and cases of AK 7.62x39 rounds as you can stuff in.

[lundbaek]

To BTH&T's question about understanding who/what the latter-day gadiantons are: Please review these scriptures:
2 Nephi 26:14, 20-22, 29
Helaman 2:4, 12-13; 6:15-30; 7:4-5; 8:1-4
3 Nephi 6:25-30; 7:1-10
4 Nephi 1:42, 46
Ether 8:20-26
I see them as the people in government, business and military who are in cahoots to establish a single global government a.k.a. the New World Order. It has started with the formation of the European Union, which although is still getting off the ground and experiencing growing pains, should give us a good taste of what to expect. Then there is the North American Union, which started as a plan to create a single political, economic and military unit comprising Canada, the United States, and Mexico. This has been delayed I believe largely by efforts of the John Birch Society to expose and oppose it. Now there is also concern about similar units being formed in Asia and in Africa. The concept has been promoted in America by such big names as H.G. Wells, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, George H.W. Bush, Joseph Biden, George Soros, who seems to be plowing big bucks into its promotion, and George W. Bush, who's more recent support for the Free Trade Area of the Americas and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, in additions to the North American Union, was an extension of the policy for a New World Order brought about in the name of trade as well as war. It seems apparent to me that the Bilderbergers and the Council on Foreign Relations (and similar groups in other countries) are working toward global government. But I believe the concept of global government goes way back at least to Cecil Rhodes. It gets complicated when one factors in the Communist movement, which I believe has been used to facilitate and motivate global government.

[Mcox]

I do believe in small government. I do believe it is beyond corrupt. But in no way do I believe in man's philosophy of a call out or tent cities! I have never heard the prophets ever mention a possible call out or possible tent cities. Quite the opposite! All these years we have been preparing temporally an spiritually, don't you think that they would of hinted at least of a call out to tent cities? Prepare as the brethren have instructed. Simple. Going beyond the mark not smart!

[BTH&T]

To BTH&T's question about understanding who/what the latter-day gadiantons are: Please review these scriptures:
2 Nephi 26:14, 20-22, 29
Helaman 2:4, 12-13; 6:15-30; 7:4-5; 8:1-4
3 Nephi 6:25-30; 7:1-10
4 Nephi 1:42, 46
Ether 8:20-26
I see them as the people in government, business and military who are in cahoots to establish a single global government a.k.a. the New World Order. It has started with the formation of the European Union, which although is still getting off the ground and experiencing growing pains, should give us a good taste of what to expect. Then there is the North American Union, which started as a plan to create a single political, economic and military unit comprising Canada, the United States, and Mexico. This has been delayed I believe largely by efforts of the John Birch Society to expose and oppose it. Now there is also concern about similar units being formed in Asia and in Africa. The concept has been promoted in America by such big names as H.G. Wells, David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, George H.W. Bush, Joseph Biden, George Soros, who seems to be plowing big bucks into its promotion, and George W. Bush, who's more recent support for the Free Trade Area of the Americas and the Security and Prosperity Partnership, in additions to the North American Union, was an extension of the policy for a New World Order brought about in the name of trade as well as war. It seems apparent to me that the Bilderbergers and the Council on Foreign Relations (and similar groups in other countries) are working toward global government. But I believe the concept of global government goes way back at least to Cecil Rhodes. It gets complicated when one factors in the Communist movement, which I believe has been used to facilitate and motivate global government.

I am in total agreement with you Lundbeck, what I would like to hear is what members of this forum view as characteristics of LDS Gadiantons.
In our day, in the OP "family members" are spelled out. What are they doing and saying that would lead us to believe they are Gadiantons/Secret Combinations? or are they just socialist, progressive malcontents?

[lundbaek]

I see limited call-outs as a possibility in some regions. I would not expect the Church authorities to broadcast any intentions of such lest many members go into panic mode and the attention of the LDGs and others be directed toward the Church in ways that would hinder the Church's current missionary, building, and other efforts. I note that missionaries were called out of Germany in barely enough time after Germany got into WW2. A bit of a scramble, as I understand. Has any Church authority ever given advance warning of any war other than the American Civil War ?

[lundbaek]

I can only speak/write for myself. But the people I consider latter-day gadiantons (LDGs) are those who are knowingly promoting the destruction of the American constitutional republic and its replacement by a socialist dictatorship. Included in that lot are many who are knowingly promoting global governance. But I try to be careful to not include those who promote and support causes like illegal and mass immigration, unconstitutional legislation and government programs which facilitate destruction of the US Constitution and establishment of a socialist government in America. I believe most of these people do not realize the conspiracy nor the contributions they are making to it. I think there are members of the US Congress who are aware and supportive of the globalist movement, and other who are supporting it in ignorance.

I apologize for contributing to the derailing of this topic.

[ilovetherain]

There are many Gadiantons in government that are also members of the Church. I have family members that are. I am aware of an organized crime family that has infiltrated our judicial system and government agencies in Utah and nationwide. I have personal knowledge that there are MANY LDS that are members, and have been for several decades now. Same crime family Shurtleff, Swallow, Hatch, Reid, etc. etc. etc. are members of.

[Ezra]

Making a tv show for others to point fingers and laugh about is a good ploy to take away most people's desire to be prepared. When they can joke about watching those "idiot prepper" going over board on being prepared. And have others to laugh or look down on them with. Makes it really easy to ignor what they are doing.

Good, I hope they succeed. Have you actually ever seen some of the "stars?" Some of those bozos are the kind of people the banjo kid in Deliverance would look down on and laugh. It's like the Discovery show Alaskan Bush People. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw yet another Alaska reality show. This one was so ludicrous I wouldn't have believed it had I not taught some people I have. They showed an episode where the mother needed medical help, so they took her to the hospital in Ketchikan. Since they were "Bush" people, they didn't have money so they traded a salmon for help. Gimme a break. Ketchikan in Winter has about 10,000 people. In Summer it's over 20,000. It's a modern city, and they don't barter a pig for a spear.

The various "Prepper" shows have people who show people leaving their jobs, bundling all of their life savings into a piece of wilderness with no utilities, stockpiling goods and food and shooting thousands of rounds of ammo "practicing" for when they get invaded. It has as much to do with being prepared as sacrificing a goat on an alter does to being religious.

I'm glad that sort of thing does not work on us lds who have been warned to prepare. Right skmo.

Exactly. Like I said:

Follow the council of the brethren to be prepared. That means get out of debt, don't get new ones, have a year's supply of food (or as best you can with your finances) and fill your spiritual vessel with prayer, scripture study, service to your fellow beings, and worship regularly and devoutly.

The church even has a website to give some ideas about emergency preparedness, and they're good ideas. Church leaders have also counseled us to prepare physically and spiritually for the challenges to come in days of trial. I might note that none of what I've heard any of them say includes instructions to hawk everything you own to buy a 4WD pickup and load the back with as many cases of Mountain House freeze-dried dinners and cases of AK 7.62x39 rounds as you can stuff in.

That's a very entertaining show. So nice to be able to look down at them.

President David o McKay said
We should plan for a year time where we will have no mechanical or electrical means to support ourselfs and communities.

I can only imagine what would happen in an event like that. The death toll would be incredible. No power= no shipping, no communication, no shopping. Riots, gangs. Murders. People doing what they need to survive.

People will either come together and support each other. Or they will break apart and war with each other to take what ever the other has.

I think that unfortunately that the bigger the community the more it will implode.

Alaskas small communities and lots of natural game and fish will be pretty safe place to be.

The lower 48 I think will be a much different scene.

I'm curious. how much do people make up there on the Alaska permanent fund each year?

[skmo]

That's a very entertaining show. So nice to be able to look down at them.

Alaskan Bush People? It hurt my brain to watch that.

President David o McKay said
We should plan for a year time where we will have no mechanical or electrical means to support ourselfs and communities.

The world, the church, and the members have changed in the last 45 years, being able to support ourselves is not always feasible, but I agree we should make every effort we can. Members who live in major urban areas almost certainly have little opportunity to do farming. One reason I'm so happy about being in the Uintah Basin is that I now live on 5 acres, most of which is farmable. Another is that I still have my '87 Suzuki Samurai that I can keep running, no computers involved, I can and have worked on every part of it, and we have fuel storage.

I can only imagine what would happen in an event like that. The death toll would be incredible. No power= no shipping, no communication, no shopping. Riots, gangs. Murders. People doing what they need to survive.

People will either come together and support each other.

No. That's not how it will happen in most places, but in small rural communities like mine it might work.

Or they will break apart and war with each other to take what ever the other has.

I think that unfortunately that the bigger the community the more it will implode.

It's like rats. A few of them around serves to keep garbage clean and smaller pests under control. Get too many in one place and they start eating each other. It's my same theory about Mormons in Utah. Get out into the real world and a few LDS people in a community tends to be more like an extended family. Places like Sandy or Midvale and the rats start eating each other.

Alaskas small communities and lots of natural game and fish will be pretty safe place to be.

Not if they run out of fuel. I laughed at the people saying "We live off the land like our ancestors did." Yeah, right. You ancestors didn't have 20ft aluminum boats with 150hp Honda outboard motors to get to prime fishing areas to chase down seals. They didn't have .338 Magnums to hunt bears and moose with. They didn't have a Honda Foreman to drive to their favorite hunting areas. It's true that in some places, a few of the Natives will do better than society at large, but most will be as bad or even worse because technology has robbed the people of their "Old Ways" they like to (wrongly) tout.

I'm curious. how much do people make up there on the Alaska permanent fund each year?

It varies from year to year, but it's usually between $1,000 and $2,000. Not NEARLY enough to make up for the cost of living. The cost of gasoline in the villages varies from $5 a gal. to $12 a gal. I bought a medium sized watermelon in the winter of 2006 for $25.00