Holy Ghost is Female?
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Holy Ghost is Female?
Is it possible that the Holy Ghost is a female?
I know that sounds impossible, because after all, "nobody like God (in the godhead) could possible be female" right? And we DO read in scripture about the HG referred too as "he".
I invite you to google "female holy ghost".
You will find the articles and comments on the Wikipedia site very interesting, if you have an open mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_the_Holy_Spirit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If this is true, LDS doctrine is likely the only bridge to this. Father has not told me if this is true yet, but I thought I would throw it out there.
I know that sounds impossible, because after all, "nobody like God (in the godhead) could possible be female" right? And we DO read in scripture about the HG referred too as "he".
I invite you to google "female holy ghost".
You will find the articles and comments on the Wikipedia site very interesting, if you have an open mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_the_Holy_Spirit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If this is true, LDS doctrine is likely the only bridge to this. Father has not told me if this is true yet, but I thought I would throw it out there.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
James E. Talmage
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
It's funny how stupid ideas keep coming around again and again. It's like satan is running out of good new ideas, so he dusts off an old one and sends it around again. I will say, though, this may be the first time I've seen this idea here.
This point was addressed by one of the apostles in an interview within the last decade. The interviewer said there was discussion about the possibility of the Holy Ghost being God's wife. He responded that this could not be since though we do not know who the Holy Ghost is, we do know it is a man.
This point was addressed by one of the apostles in an interview within the last decade. The interviewer said there was discussion about the possibility of the Holy Ghost being God's wife. He responded that this could not be since though we do not know who the Holy Ghost is, we do know it is a man.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
"God is no respector of persons"...investigator wrote:The Holy Ghost is male and female.
"The kingdom of God is within you" - where else is God/the Spirit experienced?
"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?"
So, the experience of God and the HolyGhost/Spirit is as unique as the person experiencing - which includes male and female.
It seems so obvious that God is as much feminine as (if not more than) masculine, considering how women are the means by which we all were born. Both male and female have creative powers, but ultimately it is women who nourishes and gives birth to us all.
It is traditional chauvinistic warpings (lies) that teach otherwise.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
Actually, it was an apostle that taught it. However, I guess since the apostle was a male, to a feminazi that would automatically mean it's chauvinistic.Thinker wrote:It is traditional chauvinistic warpings (lies) that teach otherwise.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
zionminded wrote:Is it possible that the Holy Ghost is a female?
I know that sounds impossible, because after all, "nobody like God (in the godhead) could possible be female" right? And we DO read in scripture about the HG referred too as "he".
I invite you to google "female holy ghost".
You will find the articles and comments on the Wikipedia site very interesting, if you have an open mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_the_Holy_Spirit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If this is true, LDS doctrine is likely the only bridge to this. Father has not told me if this is true yet, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Reminds me of a song....
I would not be just a nuffin'
My head all full of stuffin'
My heart all full of pain
I would dance and be merry
Life would be a ding-a-derry
If I only had a brain
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
If you knew me, you'd know I'm anything but a "feminazi."skmo wrote:Actually, it was an apostle that taught it. However, I guess since the apostle was a male, to a feminazi that would automatically mean it's chauvinistic.Thinker wrote:It is traditional chauvinistic warpings (lies) that teach otherwise.
I believe in motherhood - as a very (if not the most) sacred calling, not to be dismissed in favor of more money.
I also believe in life - which means I stand against abortion - genocide "birth control" murders based on discrimination of age.
Also, to me, men ought to have the priesthood - they need official authority to tell them to love others.
However, I cannot deny that my experience of God is as feminine as it is masculine.
It is a fundamental truth that I feel very strongly is true, even if it goes against tradition - which has historically been chauvinistic.
Unfortunately, in the church, Heavenly Mother is ignored, dismissed, as if she doesn't even exist.
However, often many make Heavenly Father out to be feminine as well as masculine, unknowingly.
I guess it doesn't really matter so much what words you use - unless you care about truth. ;)
"I had learned to call thee Father, Thru thy Spirit from on high,
But, until the key of knowledge Was restored, I knew not why.
In the heav'ns are parents single?
No, the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason; truth eternal Tells me I've a Mother there."
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Sure there is a heavenly Mother. But heavenly Father doesn't say much about her because he respects her too much than to have humans always saying "dam" after her title. What an absolute smart thing to do, I say.Thinker wrote:So, the experience of God and the HolyGhost/Spirit is as unique as the person experiencing - which includes male and female.
It seems so obvious that God is as much feminine as (if not more than) masculine, considering how women are the means by which we all were born. Both male and female have creative powers, but ultimately it is women who nourishes and gives birth to us all.
It is traditional chauvinistic warpings (lies) that teach otherwise.
BTW, God, Jehovah/Jesus Christ, created all living things spiritually before they were naturally placed on the earth. No mention of a woman here.
Don't believe it?
Moses 3:5
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;
Moses 3:7
7 And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.
Moses 6:51
51 And he called upon our father Adam by his own voice, saying: I am God; I made the world, and men before they were in the flesh.
God, Creator
God created the heaven and the earth: Gen. 1:1 . ( Moses 2:1 . )
great God that formed all things: Prov. 26:10 .
All things were made by him: John 1:3 . ( John 1:10, 14 . )
who created all things by Jesus Christ: Eph. 3:9 .
by him were all things created: Col. 1:16 .
his Son … by whom also he made the worlds: Heb. 1:2 .
worlds were framed by the word of God: Heb. 11:3 .
him that made heaven, and earth: Rev. 14:7 .
there is a God, and he hath created all things: 2 Ne. 2:14 .
no God … there could have been no creation: 2 Ne. 11:7 .
earth was created by the power of his word: Jacob 4:9 .
believe that he is, and that he created all things: Mosiah 4:9 .
same God who created the heavens and the earth: Morm. 9:11 .
Jesus Christ … who created the heavens and the earth: D&C 14:9 .
he created man, male and female: D&C 20:18 .
worlds without number have I created: Moses 1:33 .
God, created all things: Moses 3:5 .
In the day that God created man: Moses 6:8 .
all the creations which I have made: Moses 7:36 .
Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth: Abr. 4:1 .
The biblical verbiage for this is incorrect. Joseph Smith through inspiration corrected this to say:Thinker wrote:"The kingdom of God is within you" - where else is God/the Spirit experienced?
JST Luke 17:2
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God has already come unto you.
The word "you" is plural. Many translations read “among” because the pronoun “you” is plural here in Greek.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
Isn't it possible that the Spirit of the Lord in those verses is actually the Spirit of the Lord, not the Holy Ghost?Mark wrote:James E. Talmage
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
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Nope because Mother in Heaven has a body of flesh and bones just like Father and the Son..zionminded wrote:Yeah I don't think the HG is Gods wife (aka, Mother in Heaven).
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Other names that sometimes refer to the Holy Ghost are Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of the Lord, Comforter, and Spirit. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/holy-ghost?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Jezebel wrote:Isn't it possible that the Spirit of the Lord in those verses is actually the Spirit of the Lord, not the Holy Ghost?Mark wrote:James E. Talmage
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
And the Holy Spirit of Promise is the Holy Ghost.
Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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That may be true, but that does not necessarily mean that it isn't referring to Jeaus' Spirit in those verses. If you'll notice, the Spirit leaves, an angel (not the same being) takes its place, and then Nephi views Jesus on earth. Not every instance of Spirit of the Lord is speaking of the Holy Ghost.freedomforall wrote:Other names that sometimes refer to the Holy Ghost are Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of the Lord, Comforter, and Spirit. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/holy-ghost?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Jezebel wrote:Isn't it possible that the Spirit of the Lord in those verses is actually the Spirit of the Lord, not the Holy Ghost?Mark wrote:James E. Talmage
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
And the Holy Spirit of Promise is the Holy Ghost.
Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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I don't agree with this one iota. By that reasoning, then the Father doesn't respect his Son.freedomforall wrote: Sure there is a heavenly Mother. But heavenly Father doesn't say much about her because he respects her too much than to have humans always saying "dam" after her title. What an absolute smart thing to do, I say.
Why hide his wife under a bushel. Why keep her away, out of sight from the children. No acknowledgment. LDS women grow up in a church with no divine femininity to look to. No lessons. No sacrament talks about her or Conference addresses.
That being said, at least our church has a title of Heavenly Mother, and one Hymn with a reference.
I think we'll be greatly surprised once she is revealed.
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Re: Holy Ghost is Female?
I think there may be a fear that if there are depictions of Heavenly Mother then it might have the effect that women might choose to start revering her over God the Father. Next thing you will know there will be competitions between some Mormon women and Wicca women for the best groves to offer skyclad prayers to the Goddess on special astrological events and transitions.
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Can't argue with that logic. The few wiccan women I know are crazier than a rat living in a crack house.Fiannan wrote:...Next thing you will know there will be competitions between some Mormon women and Wicca women for the best groves to offer skyclad prayers to the Goddess on special astrological events and transitions.
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The spirit of Jesus Christ is Jehovah.Jezebel wrote:That may be true, but that does not necessarily mean that it isn't referring to Jeaus' Spirit in those verses. If you'll notice, the Spirit leaves, an angel (not the same being) takes its place, and then Nephi views Jesus on earth. Not every instance of Spirit of the Lord is speaking of the Holy Ghost.freedomforall wrote:Other names that sometimes refer to the Holy Ghost are Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of the Lord, Comforter, and Spirit. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/holy-ghost?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Jezebel wrote:Isn't it possible that the Spirit of the Lord in those verses is actually the Spirit of the Lord, not the Holy Ghost?Mark wrote:James E. Talmage
"That the Spirit of the Lord is capable of manifesting Himself in the form and figure of man, is indicated by the wonderful interview between the Spirit and Nephi, in which He revealed Himself to the prophet, questioned him concerning his desires and belief, instructed him in the things of God, speaking face to face with the man [1 Ne 11:11]. However, the Holy Ghost does not possess a body of flesh and bones, as do both the Father and the Son, but is a personage of spirit. Much of the confusion existing in human conceptions concerning the nature of the Holy Ghost arises from the common failure to segregate His person and powers. Plainly, such expressions as being filled with the Holy Ghost, and His falling upon persons, have reference to the powers and influences that emanate from God, and which are characteristic of Him; for the Holy Ghost may in this way operate simultaneously upon many persons even though they be widely separated, whereas the actual person of the Holy Ghost cannot be in more than one place at a time." (Articles of Faith, p. 42, as taken from Latter-day Commentary on the Book of Mormon compiled by K. Douglas Bassett, p. 36)
And the Holy Spirit of Promise is the Holy Ghost.
Galatians 3:14
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
John 14:8,9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
See: Mosiah 15:1-5
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To my knowledge, no one said you have to agree. Did I miss the memo or something?jockeybox wrote:I don't agree with this one iota. By that reasoning, then the Father doesn't respect his Son.freedomforall wrote: Sure there is a heavenly Mother. But heavenly Father doesn't say much about her because he respects her too much than to have humans always saying "dam" after her title. What an absolute smart thing to do, I say.
Why hide his wife under a bushel. Why keep her away, out of sight from the children. No acknowledgment. LDS women grow up in a church with no divine femininity to look to. No lessons. No sacrament talks about her or Conference addresses.
That being said, at least our church has a title of Heavenly Mother, and one Hymn with a reference.
I think we'll be greatly surprised once she is revealed.
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Correct. Because the "Holy Ghost" -- is you. It's the part of you that can know things that are impossible for "you" to know. That is where it is most easily recognized. I've had lots of experiences where I 'know' something that is soon proven, but was impossible for me to know. It's your connection to the universe -- to God -- to others. It's intangible. It's the part of you that is your place in the Godhead. It's another sense. God, Christ (who is already there), and someday -- you too, as one. It's not the mystery it is made up to be. After Christ was resurrected, your possible place with God became the future reality. As you listen to that part of "you" more and more, it grows. And it is there and available to everyone living, good and evil alike, to be accessed and cultivated at any time. The catch (for most) is you don't actually need anything to access it, use it, and grow with it. It was there when you were born, and it will be there even after you die. It is your inheritance as it is for all people. It is the source of all creativity, inspiration, and original thought.investigator wrote:The Holy Ghost is male and female.
