Trying to sell salvation.

[Dash jones]

So, there has been some talking about this guy called Denver Snuffer on these forums. You know, it's very hard to find out what he actually wrote about in his books?

I never really heard about him prior to this, and beyond whatever is happening in the LDS church with him, I don't think the rest of the world even realizes he exists to a large extent.

He has a blog but he really doesn't repost his books. IF what he stated is SOOOO important for salvation, why do you have to pay for that salvation?

People criticize the Catholic church, but their beliefs are actually freely given and are available online.

Even the Vatican II is freely available. They don't hide their beliefs behind a paywall. Why would anyone say, this is a very important thing...but to know it or read it, you have to buy my book?

It's because that's how they make a living and get money, that's why!

My investigations into Snuffer's teachings are a dead end due to that. If what he had to say was THAT important, why sell it?

[2ndRateMind]

Bibles have been sold for a long time now. Hundreds of years. There is a cost of production that requires to be met by someone! And this guy - who I have never heard of before - probably needs to make a living and support a family, on top of that. I do not think that selling his work is necessarily wrong. He has a legitimate commercial interest in his labours to realise.

Cheers, 2RM.

[Zathura]

So, there has been some talking about this guy called Denver Snuffer on these forums. You know, it's very hard to find out what he actually wrote about in his books?

I never really heard about him prior to this, and beyond whatever is happening in the LDS church with him, I don't think the rest of the world even realizes he exists to a large extent.

He has a blog but he really doesn't repost his books. IF what he stated is SOOOO important for salvation, why do you have to pay for that salvation?

People criticize the Catholic church, but their beliefs are actually freely given and are available online.

Even the Vatican II is freely available. They don't hide their beliefs behind a paywall. Why would anyone say, this is a very important thing...but to know it or read it, you have to buy my book?

It's because that's how they make a living and get money, that's why!

My investigations into Snuffer's teachings are a dead end due to that. If what he had to say was THAT important, why sell it?

Everything he wrote can be found in pdf format on his website

[idahommie]

Denver Snuffy is an obscurity even within the LDS Church.

[Zathura]

So, there has been some talking about this guy called Denver Snuffer on these forums. You know, it's very hard to find out what he actually wrote about in his books?

I never really heard about him prior to this, and beyond whatever is happening in the LDS church with him, I don't think the rest of the world even realizes he exists to a large extent.

He has a blog but he really doesn't repost his books. IF what he stated is SOOOO important for salvation, why do you have to pay for that salvation?

People criticize the Catholic church, but their beliefs are actually freely given and are available online.

Even the Vatican II is freely available. They don't hide their beliefs behind a paywall. Why would anyone say, this is a very important thing...but to know it or read it, you have to buy my book?

It's because that's how they make a living and get money, that's why!

My investigations into Snuffer's teachings are a dead end due to that. If what he had to say was THAT important, why sell it?

http://denversnuffer.com/40-years-in-mo ... re-series/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

section at the bottom is pdf, others are mp3/audiobook

That's his "Preserving the Restoration" book all in pdf.

I think you'll actually love everything that he has to say, as it's not really a red flag for you that this man calls out church leaders and suggests the church has lost what it once had.

I look forward to seeing what you have to say about it

[Lizzy60]

So, there has been some talking about this guy called Denver Snuffer on these forums. You know, it's very hard to find out what he actually wrote about in his books?

I never really heard about him prior to this, and beyond whatever is happening in the LDS church with him, I don't think the rest of the world even realizes he exists to a large extent.

He has a blog but he really doesn't repost his books. IF what he stated is SOOOO important for salvation, why do you have to pay for that salvation?

People criticize the Catholic church, but their beliefs are actually freely given and are available online.

Even the Vatican II is freely available. They don't hide their beliefs behind a paywall. Why would anyone say, this is a very important thing...but to know it or read it, you have to buy my book?

It's because that's how they make a living and get money, that's why!

My investigations into Snuffer's teachings are a dead end due to that. If what he had to say was THAT important, why sell it?

Everything he wrote can be found in pdf format on his website

It appears to me that his talks are available on his website, but not the books, like The Second Comforter. His most recent book is a compilation of the 10 Talks he gave in 2013-2014, although he has edited and added to them, which edits would also not be available without buying the book, Preserving the Restoration.

[rewcox]

Denver Snuffer has several books. The one that got him cross wise with the church is Passing the Heavenly Gift. It was sold over $30, now it looks like it is available on Kindle. His new book Preserving the Restoration is not sold on Kindle, and is his 10 talks with additional information, changes, etc. This is the handbook for the Remnant groups who have either split from the church, or straddle the church and remnants.

Read and listen to the 10th talk. Denver was excommunicated before he gave his first talk in Boise. The 10th talk is where he veered dramatically from the church. For example, you need 7 women to sustain you to get the priesthood.

He is an attorney by trade.

We also have ex members who post at LDSFF and are negative about the church. Also members who post and are negative or doubt seeding about the church.

[Robin Hood]

I don't have much time for Snuffer and his ideas.
I bought Passing the Heavenly Gift and quite frankly it was a waste of money.

However, I did hear that he donated all the proceeds of his book sales to the church's missionary fund. I don't know if that is true, but if it is then that's a good thing.

[Zathura]

I don't have much time for Snuffer and his ideas.
I bought Passing the Heavenly Gift and quite frankly it was a waste of money.

However, I did hear that he donated all the proceeds of his book sales to the church's missionary fund. I don't know if that is true, but if it is then that's a good thing.

He also spent thousands of his own money on his little tour to give his speeches. Very interesting.
I found much good in his talks, and also many red flags

[Dash jones]

So, there has been some talking about this guy called Denver Snuffer on these forums. You know, it's very hard to find out what he actually wrote about in his books?

I never really heard about him prior to this, and beyond whatever is happening in the LDS church with him, I don't think the rest of the world even realizes he exists to a large extent.

He has a blog but he really doesn't repost his books. IF what he stated is SOOOO important for salvation, why do you have to pay for that salvation?

People criticize the Catholic church, but their beliefs are actually freely given and are available online.

Even the Vatican II is freely available. They don't hide their beliefs behind a paywall. Why would anyone say, this is a very important thing...but to know it or read it, you have to buy my book?

It's because that's how they make a living and get money, that's why!

My investigations into Snuffer's teachings are a dead end due to that. If what he had to say was THAT important, why sell it?

Everything he wrote can be found in pdf format on his website

It appears to me that his talks are available on his website, but not the books, like The Second Comforter. His most recent book is a compilation of the 10 Talks he gave in 2013-2014, although he has edited and added to them, which edits would also not be available without buying the book, Preserving the Restoration.

It's these teachings in those specific books (Second Comforter and Passing the Heavenly Gift) which are the ones people speak about, and which teachings don't seem to be available. If they were so important, why sell them?

I'll skim over his talks though.

[Zathura]

It's these teachings in those specific books (Second Comforter and Passing the Heavenly Gift) which are the ones people speak about, and which teachings don't seem to be available. If they were so important, why sell them?

I'll skim over his talks though.

I don't know, I don't seek to justify him selling those books.
Just like Church leaders sell their own books for money, I don't seek to justify it.
Perhaps they donate all of the profits, I don't know. It's between them and God.

P.S. According to Denver, those 10 talks are more important than the 2 books you are talking about. I only read the Second Comforter, and at that time he was very supportive of the Church. That was a wonderful book. I haven't read PtHG yet, don't know if I ever will.
I suggest you read his 2nd Lecture about Faith, and the one about Jesus Christ(Prototype of the saved man) I honestly felt the power of God fall upon me as I read those 2 lectures.
I didn't receive anything else as I read the other lectures, I felt uncomfortable reading the last one.

[Joel]

sacrifice brings forth blessings