Renounce war and proclaim peace.

[marc]

D&C 98:13 And whoso layeth down his life in my cause, for my name’s sake, shall find it again, even life eternal.

14 Therefore, be not afraid of your enemies, for I have decreed in my heart, saith the Lord, that I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy.

15 For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.

16 Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children

Do you believe Him?

[marc]

... 33 And again, this is the law that I gave unto mine ancients, that they should not go out unto battle against any nation, kindred, tongue, or people, save I, the Lord, commanded them.

[Analyzing]

D&C 98:13 And whoso layeth down his life in my cause, for my name’s sake, shall find it again, even life eternal.

14 Therefore, be not afraid of your enemies, for I have decreed in my heart, saith the Lord, that I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy.

15 For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.

16 Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children

Do you believe Him?

Yes. It gives me an intense headache. In your opinion, how individuals learn that war is appropriate?
One reason for my confusion. Mormon knew his people had brought judgement upon themselves; yet battled valiantly in their defense.
1 And it came to pass that I did go forth among the Nephites, and did repent of the oath which I had made that I would no more assist them; and they gave me command again of their armies, for they looked upon me as though I could deliver them from their afflictions.
2 But behold, I was without hope, for I knew the judgments of the Lord which should come upon them; for they repented not of their iniquities, but did struggle for their lives without calling upon that Being who created them.

[marc]

Because

32 Behold, this is the law I gave unto my servant Nephi, and thy fathers, Joseph, and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets and apostles.

But Mormon possessed charity.

17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.

He did not fight for his own sake, though. He knew the war was hopeless. Nevertheless,

Matthew 5:43 ¶Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

[David13]

marc
I believe that.
But when war is brought upon you, you also have a duty to defend.
dc

[marc]

marc
I believe that.
But when war is brought upon you, you also have a duty to defend.
dc

23 Now, I speak unto you concerning your families—if men will smite you, or your families, once, and ye bear it patiently and revile not against them, neither seek revenge, ye shall be rewarded;

24 But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being meted out as a just measure unto you.

25 And again, if your enemy shall smite you the second time, and you revile not against your enemy, and bear it patiently, your reward shall be an hundred-fold.

26 And again, if he shall smite you the third time, and ye bear it patiently, your reward shall be doubled unto you four-fold;

27 And these three testimonies shall stand against your enemy if he repent not, and shall not be blotted out.

28 And now, verily I say unto you, if that enemy shall escape my vengeance, that he be not brought into judgment before me, then ye shall see to it that ye warn him in my name, that he come no more upon you, neither upon your family, even your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

29 And then, if he shall come upon you or your children, or your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine enemy into thine hands;

30 And then if thou wilt spare him, thou shalt be rewarded for thy righteousness; and also thy children and thy children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

31 Nevertheless, thine enemy is in thine hands; and if thou rewardest him according to his works thou art justified; if he has sought thy life, and thy life is endangered by him, thine enemy is in thine hands and thou art justified.

[marc]

34 And if any nation, tongue, or people should proclaim war against them, they should first lift a standard of peace unto that people, nation, or tongue;

35 And if that people did not accept the offering of peace, neither the second nor the third time, they should bring these testimonies before the Lord;

36 Then I, the Lord, would give unto them a commandment, and justify them in going out to battle against that nation, tongue, or people.

37 And I, the Lord, would fight their battles, and their children’s battles, and their children’s children’s, until they had avenged themselves on all their enemies, to the third and fourth generation.

38 Behold, this is an ensample unto all people, saith the Lord your God, for justification before me.

[marc]

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

[marc]

19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

[marc]

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

[marc]

Moroni 7: 46 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail—

47 But charity is the pure love of Christ, and it endureth forever; and whoso is found possessed of it at the last day, it shall be well with him.

[marc]

D&C 122: 5 If thou art called to pass through tribulation; if thou art in perils among false brethren; if thou art in perils among robbers; if thou art in perils by land or by sea;

6 If thou art accused with all manner of false accusations; if thine enemies fall upon thee; if they tear thee from the society of thy father and mother and brethren and sisters; and if with a drawn sword thine enemies tear thee from the bosom of thy wife, and of thine offspring, and thine elder son, although but six years of age, shall cling to thy garments, and shall say, My father, my father, why can’t you stay with us? O, my father, what are the men going to do with you? and if then he shall be thrust from thee by the sword, and thou be dragged to prison, and thine enemies prowl around thee like wolves for the blood of the lamb;

7 And if thou shouldst be cast into the pit, or into the hands of murderers, and the sentence of death passed upon thee; if thou be cast into the deep; if the billowing surge conspire against thee; if fierce winds become thine enemy; if the heavens gather blackness, and all the elements combine to hedge up the way; and above all, if the very jaws of hell shall gape open the mouth wide after thee, know thou, my son, that all these things shall give thee experience, and shall be for thy good.

8 The Son of Man hath descended below them all. Art thou greater than he?

[Vision]

marc
I believe that.
But when war is brought upon you, you also have a duty to defend.
dc

3rd Nephi 6:14 "among a few of the Lamanites who were converted unto the true faith". According to this verse those that were converted to the true faith were the anti nephi lehi's.

[Ezra]

marc
I believe that.
But when war is brought upon you, you also have a duty to defend.
dc

I think differently. Because of verse 24

23 Now, I speak unto you concerning your families—if men will smite you, or your families, once, and ye bear it patiently and revile not against them, neither seek revenge, ye shall be rewarded;

24 But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being meted out as a just measure unto you.

In other words if we don't bear it patiently it was meant for us. It's meant as a humbleing.

I take 911 as an example. It was revenge America sought after. And they didn't find it if you know the truth about it.

I like the example in the Book of Mormon. Of Moroni first seeking to find their own faults and repent to make sure they were right with the lord. To make sure the lord would be with them.

[David13]

Well, Ezra, I think you go beyond that, as does the Book of Mormon and other scripture.
Which is self defense.
Or do you.
Do you believe in defending yourself and your family? Or in rolling over and letting an enemy destroy you?
I think you do believe in defense.
And that's where you come to if you go beyond your quote.
As to the seeking revenge after 911 I wouldn't say it was "America" tho' many Americans were involved. I wasn't.
I would say it was Bush the Younger pursuing some type of agenda on behalf of or as his father had started or as Bush the Younger thought his father would want.
Which we know was a step in an entirely different direction, and basically was nothing but a miserable failure. Which failure the Failure in Chief (current in the WH) now pursues, despite his lies to end it all.
I certainly can't agree with the insanity that they (politicians, worldwide) seem to get into so easily.
dc

[Ezra]

Self defense is defending against 911 happening.

Revenge is invading their country and killing soooo many more.

Self defense is on our soil.

They are justified in defending their own lands. We are justified in defending ours on our own soil.

And now some words from the scriptures:

“Now the people said unto Gidgiddoni: Pray unto the Lord, and let us go up upon the mountains and into the wilderness, that we may fall upon the robbers and destroy them in their own lands. But Gidgiddoni saith unto them: The Lord forbid; for if we should go up against them the Lord would deliver us into their hands; therefore we will prepare ourselves in the center of our lands, and we will gather all our armies together, and we will not go against them, but we will wait till they shall come against us; therefore as the Lord liveth, if we do this he will deliver them into our hands. (3 Nephi 3: 18–21)

“And it was because the armies of the Nephites went up unto the Lamanites that they began to be smitten; for were it not for that, the Lamanites could have had no power over them. But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed.” (Mormon 4: 4–5)

So we America the wicked punished the wicked after they punished us for being wicked.
It's a horrible cycle we are in because of our wickedness as a nation. We need to repent
911 ,Vietnam,ww1,ww2 all the same. Wicked being punished by the wicked.

[Robert Sinclair]

It is written twice about that test in the D&C both 98:13-15 and again in 103:27-28 -------

"Let no man be afraid to lay down his life for my sake; for whoso layeth down his life for my sake shall find it again.
And whoso is not willing to lay down his life for my sake is not my disciple."

So there are those around the throne, who have been beheaded as a witness for Jesus, a golden ticket to live and reign with Christ for a thousand years promised, written in Revelation 20:4.

On the list of things to do, or ways to be like, and things to know.

One must be tried and proven in these things, while in this life, during the day of one's probation.

This is one of those things, I myself see will require many days and nights of fasting and prayer to be ready, for as of yet, I am not yet right for this test, though I desire to be.

So sad the tale Moroni had to tell of his father Mormon slain in battle, and all his people, as he wrote, "But behold, they are gone...............

Yes, peace and goodwill are wonderful things to have in your heart towards others always.♡

Who more than Jesus Christ taught and manifested this with their very life?♡

Who better to follow than Jesus Christ, who?♡

[marc]

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.