Utah joins to resist taking in refugees.

[Fiannan]

I was worried Utah would not do this. You know, this could be the issue that can finally force the feds to back down on pushing their agendas on the states:



Now if you think I am being unfair then fine, say I am not being as close to Jesus as the left claims to be, when the issue fits their agenda, but nobody is preventing you from hosting some of these refugees. They are of course 80% young, single men but why worry? They can join in on Family Home Evening and eat green jello. Now if you would never do this as you would want to protect your family then why bring in people who could be anyone from anywhere with any sorts of views? There is no way to know anything about these people -- they could be really nice or murderers. How would you know?

[AGalagaChiasmus]

This link says Utah is accepting Refugees. As of 1pm, 11-17-2015.

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/16/9746456/m ... -governors

[Fiannan]

This link says Utah is accepting Refugees. As of 1pm, 11-17-2015.

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/16/9746456/m ... -governors

Okay, not sure about conflicting stories. Maybe increased security should be given, like asking the following questions:

1) Are you a member of ISIS?

2) What is your opinion of infidel Mormon women?

3) Do you love America?

4) Ever commit a crime?

If they answer #1 with "Shucks, yeah, I was." then...well, I guess Obama would say give them another chance.
Question 2 doesn't count. They have freedom to believe what they want, right?
And if they answer yes on 3 and no on 4 we should just accept their answers.

[gkearney]

I doens't make any difference, immigration is a federal matter. What the states like or don't isn't an issue. Once these people are in the counrty they are free to travel to any state they wish to. The states do not have internal boarder controls.

[nvr]

Just make sure none of them are actually white mercenaries like those sent to scare up France for siding with Russia who are actually attacking and trying to destroy IS (US) targets. I think the fake passport were left as well to establish the narrative of Islamic actors doing the job (amazing bomb-proof passports).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pa ... ck-6834503

He fired lots of bullets. He was white, clean shaven and had dark hair neatly trimmed. He was dressed all in black accept for a red scarf.

“The shooter was aged about 35 and had an extremely muscular build, which you could tell from the size of his arms. He looked like a weightlifter.

“He was not wearing gloves and his face was expressionless as he walked towards the bar.

“The driver had opened his door shortly before the shooting began and stood up with his arm and a machine gun rested on the roof of the car. He stood there with his foot up in the door acting as a lookout.

“I would describe him as tall, with dark hair and also quite muscular.

“They looked like soldiers or mercenaries and carried the whole thing out like a military operation. It was clear that they were both very heavily armed and the gunman was carrying several magazines on him.

“They both then coolly sat back in the car and sped off in the direction of the Bataclan Theatre.”

[Fiannan]

Real Syrians are white. A bit darker than an Irishman but still white.



Real men and women are fighting ISIS in Syria. Few of the "refugees" are Syrians. Passports in that region are impossible to verify as the US regime is unwilling to cooperate with the Syrian government.

Again, anyone willing to adopt a few young men calling themselves "refugees?"

[nvr]

Maybe you're right- maybe they all look white and are jacked. They probably look nothing like the mastermind:


And this guy must have been the lone dark-colored one.


The fact that they look very close to DEVGRUS is probably only coincidental

[2EstablishZion]

I doens't make any difference, immigration is a federal matter. What the states like or don't isn't an issue. Once these people are in the counrty they are free to travel to any state they wish to. The states do not have internal boarder controls.

Technically, the Federal is supposed to control citizenship only, each state is supposed to be able to have their own immigration policy.

A few unConstitutional changes have gotten slipped in over the years, such as the Alien and Sedition Act. (Which should have required a Constitutional Amendment to be lawful.)

[nvr]

Point is, IS is a creation of the US dark-side government, used to serve destabilizing purposes. If you notice, the US military doesn't directly target them, and only makes token attacks. Check out reports on this. They have been set up like al qaeda was, with a legit-sounding backstory of toppling current gov. They were created and are supported as an excuse to strategically put West military into that region where we had no business before (except mineral interests and a strategic interest to be close to one of the only weapons-independent countries left in the world [Iran]). Now with this attack, more talk is made of putting full-military on the ground. It is strange to think how most of early stuff IS did was obvious fake-o like beheadings, and now they've ramped up to bombing planes and staging (or really carrying out with patsies) mass shootings. Especially strange and disturbing to think elements of our military / dark side of US government planned and helped carry this out. Think of the US being responsible for blowing up Russian plane, and shooting up Paris? Very messed up, like BoM combinations going on.

To the original point of this thread, no, I don't think these refugees will pose any threats at all themselves. But the depraved insiders in our government may use them as scapegoats to pin blame on for future false flag attacks to suit their purposes.

[lundbaek]

Obama & Co. can very well transport refugees into this country. When they start dumping them wherever they want, the problem will become that of the local citizens. I don't know what state authorities and citizens can do to prevent that from happening. And there are those who will "stand on their head" to provide accommodation for the new immigrants.

If in fact Utah government authorities have taken steps to refuse to accept any new immigrants, my guess is the Church at the 50 East North Temple St. level will lean on those state authorities to reverse that decision.

[David13]

Well, lundbaek, I'd like to think there is a difference between charity and stupidity, but maybe there isn't.
dc

[lundbaek]

I believe that most of those who welcome the immigrants fancy themselves charitable, but fail to understand that charity with other people's money is not charity, it is legal plunder.

[David13]

I believe that most of those who welcome the immigrants fancy themselves charitable, but fail to understand that charity with other people's money is not charity, it is legal plunder.

It's also a charity at the possibly total expense of other people's security. That is to say, a charity that could get OTHER PEOPLE, other than these 'charitable people' killed.
dc

[Army Of Truth]

Looks like Utah is accepting refugees and has already accepted 7. This was just updated yesterday, November 17, 2015:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-states ... -refugees/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UTAH (7)

Gov. Gary Herbert is ordering a review of security checks for refugees coming to Utah, but he stopped short of threatening to stop accepting Syrian refugees. Herbert said he wants to help those fleeing violence but that public safety is the top priority.

My question is, why refugees from Syria? Why now? What about the millions of Africans displaced due to the Darfur genocide? Why didn't our leaders demand we take refugees from Darfur over a decade ago? What about refugees from Rwanda back in the 90s? or Iraq? or Bosnia? or Guatemala? Why now? Because as was already mentioned, this is the agenda of our "Gadiantons" in our government. They wanted war with Syria back in 2001 before we went to war with Iraq. Read up on PNAC to see what their plan was and Syria is in the list of countries we (Latter-Day Gadiantons) want to go to war with. Iran is there too. This is how we will lead up to WWIII and America is turned into a third-world country. We need to stick to our laws (Constitution) and not let our LDG leader pillage this country with refugees. X(

[Fiannan]

Well, lundbaek, I'd like to think there is a difference between charity and stupidity, but maybe there isn't.
dc

There is a difference, but some people combine the two a bit too much.

[Fiannan]

By the way, reject guilt.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/20 ... 151111.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ribble]

Obama & Co. can very well transport refugees into this country. When they start dumping them wherever they want, the problem will become that of the local citizens. I don't know what state authorities and citizens can do to prevent that from happening. And there are those who will "stand on their head" to provide accommodation for the new immigrants.

If in fact Utah government authorities have taken steps to refuse to accept any new immigrants, my guess is the Church at the 50 East North Temple St. level will lean on those state authorities to reverse that decision.

I sure hope the church leadership doesn't go all "wobbly" on us. Europe has opened it's arms to Muslim immigrants for some time now and all they get is grief. These immigrants do not assimilate well. They cling to their religion of intolerance and eventually lash out at their host country. I know there are exceptions, but can we afford the risks? Let countries in the middle east house these people and we can aid them there. It's way too much of a "clash of cultures" to bring them here.

[lundbaek]

My guess is that the Church leadership at the 50 East North Temple St. level realizes that America's constitutional government has been largely replaced by a dictatorial socialist oligarchy controlled largely by latter-day gadiantons. Perhaps you have noted that over the past 28 years members of the Church have received no instruction about studying, upholding and abiding by the principles of the US Constitution or awakening to our "awful situation" and opposing the LDGs. I believe this is due to the fact that the "secret combination" that we were warned about by Nephi, Moroni, Ezra Taft Benson and Boyd K. Packer have gotten above us and are in position to take retribution against the Church if it were to once again promote freedom and the US Constitution. They would take actions that would greatly hinder the Church's primary religious mission, including disrupting its missionary and building programs. Perhaps you have noted that the Church is now much more concerned about becoming well known and creating good will.

[David13]

Well, lundbaek, I'd like to think there is a difference between charity and stupidity, but maybe there isn't.
dc

There is a difference, but some people combine the two a bit too much.

Yes, that was my point.
dc

[Jonesy]

My question is, why refugees from Syria? Why now? What about the millions of Africans displaced due to the Darfur genocide? Why didn't our leaders demand we take refugees from Darfur over a decade ago? What about refugees from Rwanda back in the 90s? or Iraq? or Bosnia? or Guatemala? Why now? Because as was already mentioned, this is the agenda of our "Gadiantons" in our government. They wanted war with Syria back in 2001 before we went to war with Iraq. Read up on PNAC to see what their plan was and Syria is in the list of countries we (Latter-Day Gadiantons) want to go to war with. Iran is there too. This is how we will lead up to WWIII and America is turned into a third-world country. We need to stick to our laws (Constitution) and not let our LDG leader pillage this country with refugees. X(

Great question! Ever since the attack on France, I've felt like this is a big deal. Is it because of the large numbers of refugees there (~4 million)? Something doesn't seem right. I've been having dreams about this and I'm also getting some flack on FaceBook for it. I feel like we're about to get some spillover from a seething pot into our melting pot. Don't try to share your views about it though. People are too compassionate and loving. This isn't about fear but wisdom.

[Elizabeth]

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/al-qa ... e-to-allah" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://pamelageller.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer tell it as it is.

[carbon dioxide]

My test for the refugees would be to put each on in a room with pictures of Mohammad on the wall and a Koran slowly being burned in a fire pit. If the refugee gets angry, they are not allowed in the country. If the refugee accepts freedom of expression even if they do not like it, then they pass a critical test in understanding western culture.

[GeeR]

My guess is that the Church leadership at the 50 East North Temple St. level realizes that America's constitutional government has been largely replaced by a dictatorial socialist oligarchy controlled largely by latter-day gadiantons. Perhaps you have noted that over the past 28 years members of the Church have received no instruction about studying, upholding and abiding by the principles of the US Constitution or awakening to our "awful situation" and opposing the LDGs. I believe this is due to the fact that the "secret combination" that we were warned about by Nephi, Moroni, Ezra Taft Benson and Boyd K. Packer have gotten above us and are in position to take retribution against the Church if it were to once again promote freedom and the US Constitution. They would take actions that would greatly hinder the Church's primary religious mission, including disrupting its missionary and building programs. Perhaps you have noted that the Church is now much more concerned about becoming well known and creating good will.

Lundbaek, what part do you think the tares in the church or the wolves in sheep's clothing play in this?

[lundbaek]

GeeR, I don't know where to draw the line between the wheat and the tares. Even on just the freedom battle issues, I find it hard to tell. For example, there are many LDS people who are bogged down with other serious concerns, like the lady who wrote me tonite that "I'm just not able to get out to participate in additional meetings as I'm still working full time and taking care of my 91 yr old mother." Then there are those very busy "pillars in the church", stake presidents, bishops, and others in positions of leadership who I should think would be aware of our responsibility to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Consatitution "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and be aware of the commandment to awake to our "awful situation" created by those "murderous combinatins" that Moroni, and later President Benson and President Packer warned us about. I've gone head to head with some of those "pillars" and found them pretty much unresponsive to any suggestions to educate members on these responsibilities. Some have looked at me like a deer staring into the lights of an on-coming car at nite.

[GeeR]

GeeR, I don't know where to draw the line between the wheat and the tares. Even on just the freedom battle issues, I find it hard to tell. For example, there are many LDS people who are bogged down with other serious concerns, like the lady who wrote me tonite that "I'm just not able to get out to participate in additional meetings as I'm still working full time and taking care of my 91 yr old mother." Then there are those very busy "pillars in the church", stake presidents, bishops, and others in positions of leadership who I should think would be aware of our responsibility to learn, uphold and abide by the principles of the US Consatitution "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers, and be aware of the commandment to awake to our "awful situation" created by those "murderous combinatins" that Moroni, and later President Benson and President Packer warned us about. I've gone head to head with some of those "pillars" and found them pretty much unresponsive to any suggestions to educate members on these responsibilities. Some have looked at me like a deer staring into the lights of an on-coming car at nite.

Personally, I don't have much trouble in drawing the line between ignorance and deception. I think you gave examples of ignorance but when leaders in high positions discourage the re-publications of past prophets on Constitutional issues in books like Prophets, Principles and National Survival then I think we have a problem with tares. Then when certain leaders encourage illegal immigration and amnesty contrary to previous counsel by prophets and advocate giving free instate intuition to attend state universities and when you have certain leaders lie that the Utah Compact is endorsed by the church when Pres. Monson never signed off on it then I believe we have a problem with tares. When you see members advised to depend on Socialistic programs to satisfy economic needs instead of the self-reliance message then I think we have a problem with tares. When you have a public relations department endorsing a person like Nelson Mandella upon his demise and eulogizing all the phony things he supposedly did for mankind in the name of the Church then I think we have a problem with tares using deception in the Church. I believe when most Mormons voted for Romney in the last presidential election it was out of ignorance.