MITT

[skmo]

You guys still really think there's a difference between liberals and conservatives?

Politicians? No. People? Yes.

Dems and Repubs?

No.

[skmo]

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

I'd be interested in how you came to that conclusion. I wasn't a rabid Paul supporter like some on here are, but I do think he was the best choice among the R party last time.

[skmo]

Ephraim is a nice little town but the real beauty is Manti, with a fantastic 125 year old Temple, and less than 3500 people.

I loathe Sanpete Valley. It's Wasatch lite. The Uintah Basin is a little better, but I SO wish I could convince my little lady to go back to Colorado.

[Elizabeth]

I looked at a lot of properties in the area and almost purchased. However, Dr. Jones told me of the close proximity to fault lines this, and the snow and cold, convinced me otherwise.

Oh how I wish and hope I do move to Ephraim. Or Manti.
Ephraim is a nice little town but the real beauty is Manti, with a fantastic 125 year old Temple, and less than 3500 people.

[Elizabeth]

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"I still believe in the people of America. And so Ann and I join with you to earnestly pray for this great nation.
Thank you, and God bless America."

[Robin Hood]

And for Robin Hoods sake, those are towns in Utah, as is Nephi.

I know they are, I've been there.

Have to say America is a beautiful place. Yellowstone, Bryce Canyon, Bear Lake, Joshua Tree etc., absolutely stunning!

Thought the town planning was awful though.
Salt Lake City was a massive disappointment. Who's idea was it to build that dreary office block next to the only thing SLC has going for it?

And those flimsy wooden houses......

The people were really nice though. Very friendly and welcoming.
I obviously never ran into David13 because everyone I met, without exception, loved the English and treated me like some kind of celebrity.

[lundbaek]

So Mitt Romney believes in the people of America. Nice. Now if he only believed what the Lord and His prophets have told us about the US Constitution, about the responsibility of Latter-day Saints to learn, uphold and abide by its principles, and about the reality and danger of the "secret combination" destroying it for gain and control of government....

[David13]

And for Robin Hoods sake, those are towns in Utah, as is Nephi.

I know they are, I've been there.

Have to say America is a beautiful place. Yellowstone, Bryce Canyon, Bear Lake, Joshua Tree etc., absolutely stunning!

Thought the town planning was awful though.
Salt Lake City was a massive disappointment. Who's idea was it to build that dreary office block next to the only thing SLC has going for it?

And those flimsy wooden houses......

The people were really nice though. Very friendly and welcoming.
I obviously never ran into David13 because everyone I met, without exception, loved the English and treated me like some kind of celebrity.

I exaggerate some when see some certain posts. Mostly I do like English if they are not too stuffy, but I don't think they are celebrities.
I was unaware you had been to Utah. Manti and Nephi are some distance from SLC. And are two different worlds.
They build the large office buildings on the main street of any town, in the absolute center nearest the best thing in town, as that is where they can charge the highest rent and get the most tenants and the most prestigious tenants.
Stone houses are cold. Cold as stone. Remember that English band the Rolling Stones and their song Heart of Stone?
It wasn't heart of wood, was it.
dc

[Robin Hood]

Stone houses are solid, last longer and don't rot so easily.
They're also bullet proof! ;)

I was referring to the COB next to the temple. The church architect responsible for that should be taken out and shot!

The temple should be the focal point, not dwarfed by other buildings. No city planners worth their salt would allow that and I'm surprised the SLC authorities did.

I did travel extensively in Utah, though I was based in West Jordan.
I certainly preferred the northern part better than the south. St George is just too hot! And you're right, SLC is not the same as the rest of Utah. As a tourist, I wouldn't cross the street to visit SLC again.

As I said, the people were great though.

[freedomforall]

Ephraim is a nice little town but the real beauty is Manti, with a fantastic 125 year old Temple, and less than 3500 people.

I loathe Sanpete Valley. It's Wasatch lite. The Uintah Basin is a little better, but I SO wish I could convince my little lady to go back to Colorado.

Try Gallop, New Mexico. At a 6,468 ft elevation one should be able to see the stars better.

The bad thing is that Gallop has a high crime rate.

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Crime is a serious problem in Gallup. In 2012, violent crime was nearly five times the national average. As a result, the city has the highest violent crime rate in the state of New Mexico. According to an article published in November 2014, "Gallup saw 463 violent crimes last year including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. That’s an eleven percent increase from the year before and two times the rate of Albuquerque, the state’s largest city."

I worked in Gallop in the eighties for about three months, can't remember which year.

I worked in many States including Denver, Colorado in 1983 during the winter. While there I met one of Ab Jenkin's grandsons also named Ab Jenkins. You know, Ab Jenkins, the man that drove the Mormon Meteor and had established more world's automobile records than any man in history? He was the 24th Mayor of SLC.
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Sorry, got carried away.

Carry on.

[freedomforall]

And for Robin Hoods sake, those are towns in Utah, as is Nephi.

I know they are, I've been there.

Have to say America is a beautiful place. Yellowstone, Bryce Canyon, Bear Lake, Joshua Tree etc., absolutely stunning!

Thought the town planning was awful though.
Salt Lake City was a massive disappointment. Who's idea was it to build that dreary office block next to the only thing SLC has going for it?

And those flimsy wooden houses......

The people were really nice though. Very friendly and welcoming.
I obviously never ran into David13 because everyone I met, without exception, loved the English and treated me like some kind of celebrity.

I exaggerate some when see some certain posts. Mostly I do like English if they are not too stuffy, but I don't think they are celebrities.
I was unaware you had been to Utah. Manti and Nephi are some distance from SLC. And are two different worlds.
They build the large office buildings on the main street of any town, in the absolute center nearest the best thing in town, as that is where they can charge the highest rent and get the most tenants and the most prestigious tenants.
Stone houses are cold. Cold as stone. Remember that English band the Rolling Stones and their song Heart of Stone?
It wasn't heart of wood, was it.
dc

Probably not:

Joe Dowell

[Original_Intent]

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

I have no problem if you don;t like Ron Paul. Glen (aka Jason) thinks he is a crook, and he (Glen) is one of my best friends on this forum...

However, I think you are just displaying your ignorance here. I think you are throwing around words and labeling people with words you don;t even understand.

So please, without resorting to Google, the dictionary or any other source, please define for the class what "facism" (actually spelled "fascism") means to you. I truly hope you have the integrity to take a stab at it without looking it up. Then for bonus points, two additional challenges;

1) Explain how Ron Paul, whatever his faults may be, is a fascist.
2) Explain how Mitt Romney, whatever his good qualities may be, is not one of the most prominent fascists ever to run for high office in the United States - from EITHER party.

If this assignment sufficiently humbles you (I know you too well to hope for this) please apologize to the grown-ups who are trying to have an intelligent discussion for being so inconsiderate as to try to label and insult someone with a word that you clearly don't understand the meaning.

[Ezra]

It's still amazing to me that any politically astute member of the church voted for Mitt over someone like Ron Paul. :ymblushing:

There are many that blame Ron Paul as for the reason we have another term of Obama.

Thy think that Ron Paul took votes from the lesser of 2 evils mitt Romney.

Ron was much more contitutional then mitt and like Joseph smith said.

Joseph Smith Jr.: "We shall have the satisfaction of knowing we have acted conscienciously and have used our best judgement, and if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us!" (Comprehensive History of the Church 2:208-209)

Those who voted for the less worthy individual are the ones who voted incorrectly.

Hyrum smith said

Hyrum Smith the Patriarch of the Church: "We engage in the election the same as in any other principle, you're to vote for good men and if you do not do this it is a sin. To vote for wicked men, it would be sin! Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyrrany and curse it! Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don't fear man or devil, electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing which is right. We want a President of the United States, not a party President, but a President of the whole people, for a party President disenfranchises the other party. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights." (HC 6:323)

Mitt has always pushed for republicans only. As Elizabeth pointed out a few posts ago. Thanks Elizabeth for that.

I think we should not be concerned with party but constitutionality of the individual running. And vote for them. Or in other words vote to be on the lords side. Not throw away our vote to be on a winning side of the lesser of 2 evil front runners that the media pushed on us.

[lundbaek]

Ron Paul I'm sure drew some votes away from Mitt Romney in the 2008 primary elections. And also in the 2012 primary elections. But Ron Paul was not in a position to draw votes away from Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election, having been eliminated in the primaries. So let's not blame Ron Paul for Mitt Romney's loss in the last presidential election.

[idahommie]

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

However, I think you are just displaying your ignorance here. I think you are throwing around words and labeling people with words you don;t even understand.

So please, without resorting to Google, the dictionary or any other source, please define for the class what "facism" (actually spelled "fascism") means to you. I truly hope you have the integrity to take a stab at it without looking it up. Then for bonus points, two additional challenges;

.

.....and I think you're pretty pretty much an ignoramous.........
I've seen Facism spelled both ways there Intentless........much like gray, or grey..........
I'm not going to play your integrity game, since you lack any, don't like your tone either, and I don't care if you don't like Mitt, and I don't give a crap about earning any points from you.

[idahommie]

Ron Paul I'm sure drew some votes away from Mitt Romney in the 2008 primary elections. And also in the 2012 primary elections. But Ron Paul was not in a position to draw votes away from Mitt Romney in the 2012 presidential election, having been eliminated in the primaries. So let's not blame Ron Paul for Mitt Romney's loss in the last presidential election.

Ron Paul drew votes from Mitt during the 2008 elections, then during the 2012 most of the Liberaltarians I know personally did not vote, or wrote in Ron Paul instead of voting for Mitt. Very few admitted to voting for Johnson.

[The ward heretic]

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

However, I think you are just displaying your ignorance here. I think you are throwing around words and labeling people with words you don;t even understand.

So please, without resorting to Google, the dictionary or any other source, please define for the class what "facism" (actually spelled "fascism") means to you. I truly hope you have the integrity to take a stab at it without looking it up. Then for bonus points, two additional challenges;

.

.....and I think you're pretty pretty much an ignoramous.........
I've seen Facism spelled both ways there Intentless........much like gray, or grey..........
I'm not going to play your integrity game, since you lack any, don't like your tone either, and I don't care if you don't like Mitt, and I don't give a crap about earning any points from you.

He couldn't do it without google.......

I am usually against big pharmaceutical, but you should seek medication. Some technical form of the "chill pill".

[idahommie]

Sorry, don't care to be called ignorant, but I guess people get bold behind a keyboard.

[The ward heretic]

You certainly do!

[Ezra]

You certainly do!

I figured he would bail on accually answering originals questions and instead default to name calling. It's his MO

[Original_Intent]

Yes, idahommie is a big talker, but when asked to back up his mouth and explain his ignorant accusations, well, the evidence of the kind of person he is surfaces. Got a really sweet private message from him as well.

[skmo]

Sorry, don't care to be called ignorant, but I guess people get bold behind a keyboard.

I know your response here was aimed at OI and not me, When I asked this before I was politely phrased, so if you don't mind, I'd like to submit this again:

I'd be interested in how you came to that conclusion. I wasn't a rabid Paul supporter like some on here are, but I do think he was the best choice among the R party last time.

What I've seen of Ron Paul he was one of the last chances we had to elect someone who could bolster the Constitution. I would be interested in why you believe he's a fascist.

[freedomforall]

MITT AND BARACK ARE RELATED, TRUE OR FALSE?

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[Rachael]

That was election was just a rerun of Clinton vs. Bush Sr vs.Perot... The latter was entertaining, the chicken charts got me to vote for him, a wasted vote

[idahommie]

Sorry, don't care to be called ignorant, but I guess people get bold behind a keyboard.

I know your response here was aimed at OI and not me, When I asked this before I was politely phrased, so if you don't mind, I'd like to submit this again:

I'd be interested in how you came to that conclusion. I wasn't a rabid Paul supporter like some on here are, but I do think he was the best choice among the R party last time.

What I've seen of Ron Paul he was one of the last chances we had to elect someone who could bolster the Constitution. I would be interested in why you believe he's a fascist.

Skmo, I see Much of Pauls beliefs like the old John Birchers. He really is into isolationism, which while one can make a good stance for, in this modern day would not fair well for our trade.
He talks a good talk about states rights but still believes in a strong central government, of course one he says conforms to his view of the constitution.
He's a savvy politician, he knows how to talk freedom and constitution, cutting pork, yet manages to insure his constituents still have their place at the trough.
I'm not a fan of the Federal reserve, but under proposals I've heard him put forward, most people would never own a home, of course not as many people would be carrying debt.
I also see his anarchist tendencies in is anything goes way of life. Smoking dope affects more than the dope smoker. Polluting the stream above my grazing land affects my ability to make a living. There are many laws that we need to insure basic qualities of life, just a fact, until we live a true consecrated live in a Zion society.

I never attack others until they attack me. I do live by that rule.
I also never profess to be perfect and nonjudgmental, unlike others here. I know my faults, unlike others here.
Sad, considering a few have claimed to be Bishops, they show no charity in their hatred of others.