MITT

[Elizabeth]

No "farmerchick" you are not only wrong, but also discourteous and hateful to an LDS member, Priesthood holder, and family man who it seems is striving to do his best to be an example to others, and is certainly more of an example than many professed LDS members on this forum.
Voter fraud etc from his opponents certainly did defeat Mitt.

Fraud from his opponents was what defeated Mitt Romney.
Why the American people allow fraud and corruption to run their country is beyond my understanding.

Let's get this straight.....Fraud from his opponent did not defeat Mitt....No....No...and No...Mitt defeated Mitt. He had the debate in his pocket till he let Obama out maneuver him. I'm sure he had inside info and knew the real story about Benghazi. Mitt backed down, let Obama win..

[farmerchick]

I am related to him...lol...fifth cousins something...not hateful...just know whats going on...lets face it.....the political system is corrupt....mitt Romney is involved in things we have no idea of....maybe he's a good guy....but something is bigger than him that is pulling the strings....you are naïve at best.

[farmerchick]

Where do you think Obama care came from? Romney care.....that's the blue print Obama supposedly followed. Our political system is rigged and most people realize it. Pointing that out is loving...not hateful.....

[lundbaek]

It seemed to me that Mitt Romney was muggying up to the wrong people, to people promoting the globalist agenda and increasing loss of many freedoms. Attempts were made to alert Mitt Romney to his promotions of a number of egregious violations of constitutional principles, obviously to no avail. There are many older posts to this forum describing these things, so there's no need to elaborate any further. He either does not understand the US Constitution, understand his responsibility to it as a Latter-day Saint, or lacks the integrity to be guided by it. He was blessed with great success in business, and apparently well liked as a stake president and bishop. But success in one endeavor does not guarantee success in another.

[Fiannan]

USA-Saudi Arabia-American banking system-ISIS...the connection. A fantastic BBC documentary:

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[djinwa]

It's still amazing to me that any politically astute member of the church voted for Mitt over someone like Ron Paul. :ymblushing:

It is fascinating, isn't it. I finally figured it out.

Humans are animals with certain behaviors developed over time to increase odds of survival. We are tribalists, clinging to whatever group with which we identify, for safety and security.

Less than 10% of the population understand the issues to any significant extent, but rather they identify with a gang, religion, nation, political party or ideology, etc. They then do what the leaders and other members tell them to do, in order to be accepted. They often spout the party line, but the practice is 180 degrees different.

For example, conservatives and Republicans claim to want less government. So when LDS so-called conservatives were telling me to vote for Mitt Romney, I would ask how much he was going to reduce government. They would tell me they didn't know, but after he got elected, we would find out, and he was surely better than Obama. My mom was telling me to vote for Romney instead of Ron Paul, but she had no idea what Romney stood for. She also didn't like Ron Paul because he seemed angry to her. That was her depth of understanding. I told her he should be angry - look at the corruption everywhere!

Anyway, so-called conservatives just want their gang leader to win, and they want to spend money to promote nationalism (USA!, USA!) and their religion, and their party, etc. Big spending conservatives!

Note the answer to every problem is to spend more money. They show on the news tonight armies of police patrolling New York, and we think we are winning the war on terror!? We are terrified, and they are bankrupting us, and we are winning?

But hey, as animals, it just feels better for our gang to fight their gang.

[lundbaek]

If it is always true that "They then do what the leaders and other members tell them to do, in order to be accepted.", I wonder why most LDS voters did not do as so many prophets and apostles admonished; why did so few "learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" as the Prophet in October 1987 said in General Conference we "must" do ?

[Elizabeth]

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“top leaders in the GOP are reportedly now preparing for the possibility of a contentious brokered convention next year in Cleveland.
If that happens, a small group of wealthy donors and die-hard loyalists close to Mitt Romney will be ready with a strategy to win him the nomination from the convention floor.
Romney thought seriously about entering the 2016 race earlier this year, and ultimately decided against it. But when the former Republican nominee informed friends, family, and a few close allies late in January that he was going to announce his decision to bow out, some urged him to reconsider:
Romney had tried to explain his reasoning to this chorus of confidants, but they were still urging him not to shut the door. They contended that even if he didn’t want to launch a formal campaign right now, it would be a mistake to take himself entirely out of the running. They laid out a vivid, detailed scenario in which a fractured Republican Party — divided by a wide field of niche presidential candidates — fails to unite behind a single nominee in 2016, and ends up with a chaotic, historic floor fight at the national convention. Facing a televised descent into disarray, the GOP delegates would naturally turn to Romney — the fully vetted, steady-handed Republican statesman — for salvation.
Your party might still need you, Mitt’s loyalists insisted. The country might still need you!
All the last-minute lobbying gave Romney pause. Was he certain this was the right choice? Their appeals to his deeply felt sense of duty were compelling. He spent his final hours before the conference call consulting with his family and praying for guidance — and by Friday morning, he had inserted a bit of rhetorical wiggle room into his draft. “I’ve been asked, and will certainly be asked again, if there are any circumstances whatsoever that might develop that could change my mind,” he wrote toward the end of his statement. “That seems unlikely.” Unlikely. The word managed to appease the die-hards in his orbit, and it served to keep hope alive among some of his most loyal donors. As one of Romney’s 2012 fund-raisers would tell me months later, “There are bitter-enders who have read that statement a hundred times, and they think it’s going to happen—maybe on the floor of the convention.” Some even began to devise the crude outline of a strategy to jump-start a “draft Mitt” movement from the floor, which would involve flipping the delegates in Mormon-heavy states like Utah, Wyoming, and Idaho. In the meantime, the statement gave Romney that rare peace of mind afforded by political flexibility. Yes, he was withdrawing from the race for now — but if, come summer of 2016, his party needed a saviour, Mitt Romney would be ready… the former candidate himself has said repeatedly this year that he won’t seek the nomination.
Last month, the Washington Post noted that friends of Romney had “mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight. One former Romney fundraiser said he was in contact with several serious 2012 donors and fundraisers — particularly wealthy Mormons and people in private equity — who were “keeping their powder dry” in hopes that Mitt would enter the race.
And several sources have noted, hopefully, that fundraising guru and longtime Romney friend Spencer Zwick turned down multiple offers from Republican candidates this year, making him available to join the campaign should the time come. Zwick was skipping the primary fight so that he could focus his energies on defeating Hillary Clinton. He has since signed on to lead House Speaker Paul Ryan’s fundraising.
The the notion of a dramatic, eleventh-hour bid for the nomination by Romney has been floated in the political press several times over the past year. There are plenty of reasons to question the plan’s viability. The likelihood of a contested convention remains low, and even if it happens, Romney could resist the draft efforts. What’s more, current convention rules dictate that a candidate needs a majority of delegates in each of eight different states to be considered for the nomination — something Mormon support alone is unlikely to provide.
But Romney loyalists say all bets will be off if the first ballot vote at next year’s convention fails to produce a nominee, arguing their candidate’s sense of duty will ultimately win out."

[lundbaek]

Mitt Romney's "sense of duty", especially as a Latter-day Saint, should be to the Constitution of the United States, and not to a political party that has turned its back on principles of the US Constitution. I contend that he would be doing a greater service by promoting the Constitution and its principles than by presiding over the executive branch of a government infested with and controlled by latter-day gadiantons.

[Elizabeth]

From Mitt:

"2016 is our chance to renew America’s promise and restore America’s greatness.

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[Thomas]

A fractured republican party will most likely hand the presidency to Hillary.

[kennyhs]

A fractured republican party will most likely hand the presidency to Hillary.

What a disaster that would be. All the liberals have to do is watch the conservatives dilute the vote with 3rd parties, not vote, oh and fix the vote.

[sandman45]

O Babylon! Oh Babylon! We bid thee farewell! We're going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell!

We did just that.. but then we invited them back into the mountains...and almost everyone embraced it.. and now its safe to say "everyone" embraces it because they are now born within that Babylonian society

[lundbaek]

H. Verlan Andersen was quoted by one of his sons as saying "whatever bad happens to you it is either for your own good or you deserved it.

[Thomas]

The political elites do not like Trump or ANY outsider. Now, top Republican Party officials are actually discussing the possibility of a brokered convention — a DICTATORSHIP — where the choice of the people will have no input. Since Trump is leading in double digits against all career politicians, the only way for Washington and the press to maintain their power base is to usurp the entire election process and DECLARE who they would like to be president. Screw the people, as always. It is not much different from the Soviet Union of Europe where the people have NO RIGHT to vote for the three member heads of the Troika whom destroy their lives.

Democracy is dying EVERYWHERE. This is right in line with what our computer has been warning. It is a shame that you cannot buy an ETF short on politicians or parties. This one might be a good short. If they have the audacity to pull this one off, then I do hope Trump and Carson move to a third party. That would be the ONLY hope we have at softening the collapse of our system for NO CAREER politicians will ever say, “Hey. This is debt crisis and raising taxes with negative interest rates is destroying everything. Whose idea was this anyhow?”

Yes, Trump says some stupid things now and then. But he will change his mind as anyone else from the real world. Career politicians will destroy everything by trying to force an outcome that is economically insane like the Euro, Syria, and countless others

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[idahommie]

It's still amazing to me that any politically astute member of the church voted for Mitt over someone like Ron Paul. :ymblushing:

Because most were able to identify Ron Paul as the scum bag he really is..........the wolf in sheeps clothing, he gave us a second term of Obama.
Trump will give us a Third term of Clinton, but this time it will be the idiot republican BASE jumping ship to vote third party for Trump, as opposed to the idiot Liberaltarians throwing the election voting for Prophet Paul.

[lundbaek]

Having been active in the political arena for at least 20 years and especially having run for the U.S. House of Representatives, it was no surprise to me that so many members of the church voted for Mitt Romney over Ron Paul. Most American members of the Church have apostatized a long way from the principles of the US Constitution that we were admonished by latter-day prophets and apostles learn, uphold, and abide by.

[idahommie]

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

[rewcox]

I like Mormons, but there aren't enough of them to help or hinder a Ron Paul type. Mitt on the other hand was supported, except for the religious right. Blame them.

[Separatist]

A fractured republican party will most likely hand the presidency to Hillary.

What a disaster that would be. All the liberals have to do is watch the conservatives dilute the vote with 3rd parties, not vote, oh and fix the vote.

You guys still really think there's a difference between liberals and conservatives? Dems and Repubs?

[Separatist]

Having been active in the political arena for at least 20 years and especially having run for the U.S. House of Representatives, it was no surprise to me that so many members of the church voted for Mitt Romney over Ron Paul. Most American members of the Church have apostatized a long way from the principles of the US Constitution that we were admonished by latter-day prophets and apostles learn, uphold, and abide by.

Ron Paul preaches Facism........

You just proved lundbaek's point.

[freedomforall]

Very telling, some of the posts to this thread. Is it any wonder that fraud and corruption is running this country ? Is it any wonder that Mormons have failed in their responsibility to help preserve the US Constitution and the freedoms it was intended to provide.

And some people may ask..."what Constitution?"

[freedomforall]

It's still amazing to me that any politically astute member of the church voted for Mitt over someone like Ron Paul. :ymblushing:

Ron Paul was swept under the rug by the media and people thought he quit the race. We don't need a flip-flopper in the White House. We needed a guy that believes in the Constitution and would uphold and defend it as promised in the Oath of Office. Our present POTUS seems to have lied as he said, "I do" and uses it for toilet paper.
This turkey let's thousands of illegals into the country and then screams like a little baby telling us we shouldn't have guns. Does he give a rat about the Constitution? Only when it is to his advantage. In 2006 he mocked God and the bible, and then after so many shootings by people who hate Christians he says "our prayers are not enough, we must change the laws. Then sometimes he says our prayers go out to...but after mocking God, just who could he pray to?
By the way, and this in no way reflects on you, Col Flagg, we are not supposed to be a democracy, rather, a righteous republic.
I think we better hold onto our cheeks this next election, who knows, Obama may cancel all elections and assume a third term so he can finish driving us into oblivion known as the NWO. Anyway, we've had several presidents since FDR with this in mind. Some day someone will finish the job. Why? Because Americans don't really care about freedom any longer. President Benson said that once freedom is lost it will take blood to get it back. I guess we're proving him right. He also stated that the Constitution would be saved, but not in Washington, so it makes no difference who takes office from here on. The good president's get assassinated, or am I wrong?

[David13]

O Babylon! Oh Babylon! We bid thee farewell! We're going to the mountains of Ephraim to dwell!

Oh how I wish and hope I do move to Ephraim. Or Manti.
And for Robin Hoods sake, those are towns in Utah, as is Nephi.

In fact, in March, I may just do that, move to Ephraim.

I'm not interested in Nephi as it's on the freeway. Ephraim is a nice little town but the real beauty is Manti, with a fantastic 125 year old Temple, and less than 3500 people.

Oh, I almost forgot, hurrah for Mitt! Please don't tell me that the horrid woman married to that former President will get elected. Anybody but her. She is evil. But so is Sanders.
dc

[skmo]

A fractured republican party will most likely hand the presidency to Hillary.

What a disaster that would be. All the liberals have to do is watch the conservatives dilute the vote with 3rd parties, not vote, oh and fix the vote.

I hate to say this, but a unified R party will do this, too. The media decided long ago that the hildabeast was going to be the next emperor.