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Sarah wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 11:51 am
I'm not totally against voting for the best out of the two. I voted for Bush and John McCain. But with Trump, I could not knowingly vote for someone whose personal life of adultery and foul language and everything else was so in your face. I also was more educated to know that the libertarian/nationalist movement had been hijacked, and that he was likely a tool to bring in a more nationalist movement, in order to bring conflict and a financial collapse.

I can totally agree with this. I didn't vote for trump. I proudly voted for Darrell Castle. Even though everyone was screaming at me saying "you're throwing your vote away!". when you live in a banana republic, a 'protest vote' isn't defined as 'throwing your vote away.'

Sarah wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 11:51 am
Now Trump is just encouraging and facilitating the debt bubble and the massive transfer of wealth again from the middle class to the wealthy bankers. It is the same game being played, and he is a part of it. He preached during the campaign about the dangers of the Fed and now we don't here a peep about living responsibly and getting away from easy money. The only way to fix our economy is a detox. To stop spending and let the crash happen before the bubble gets too big. But there was no effort on Trump's part to fix that part. 44% of people in the U.S. need to go into debt to stay afloat. I wouldn't classify that as a great economy. Our bank just announced that they are laying off 500 people. Layoffs are happening everyone and manufacturing is way down. The banks currently cannot sustain themselves without having billions injected every day. Where is Trump warning us of what is coming and what we can do to fix this mess?

actually, trump has been very vocal about the policies and deception and money manipulation of the Fed. his tweets are easy to find.

we need a detox, but no one is going to give it to us- no one has that much power. not even Trump. Chances are high that a recession will hit before the next election.

It's not Trump's job (or even desire) to warn us. He's a populist, not a conservative or even better- a constitutionalist. I've never understood why folks hold him to a standard he never espoused. I see him as a guy who loves america and himself very much. you're right- he hasn't hit on his campaign promise of debt, but I heard just yesterday there's a list of his campaign promises on his office door. He has actually done quite a bit on those promises. I can't imagine what he could accomplish if the press or the republicans or the dems treated him like they treated that kenyan. I've never seen a president treated worse by the media or even his own party- and still get as much done as he has. My hat's off to the vulgar, prideful guy, is what I say. Love him or hate him, at least you know where you stand with with him. I'm voting for him in 2020. It's all a circus anyway.

This thread name should be changed to "Pierre Delecto"

The following sounds exactly like the gadianton robbers as defined in the Book of Mormon. Committing murder and whoredoms for financial gain.

If President Trump wanted to profit off of his office, he could easily do so by joining in on this instead of pulling us out of it.

Deep State Vows PAYBACK After Trump Disrupts Millions In Illegal Drug Trafficking Cash & Kickbacks from Syria

High-placed federal law enforcement sources dropped a bombshell, claiming the renewed push to impeach the president is rooted, in part, in President Trump’s move to pull the United States out of the conflict in Syria — and stop untold millions in dirty cash from flowing into the deep state’s pockets.

“This isn’t about the Kurds, it’s about the cash,” one FBI source said.

And that cash is no chump change; it’s millions and millions of dollars flowing into the coffers of crooked politicians and deep-state pockets worldwide.

Federal sources paint a dark picture here, alleging crooked politicians and their benefactors are fuming. For years, it is alleged, deep state players have been raking in millions in illicit profits through the manufacturing and distribution of narcotics in Syria.

But that profitable network could stop producing its riches for U.S. players if the cease-fire Trump negotiated continues and if Trump’s plan to remove U.S. personnel from Syria commences.

Back here in the U.S., Trump faces a new and angrier wave of angst from DC players and politicians who have launched an even more-rabid push to remove him from the White House.

“There’s panic,” one source said. “There are a lot of connected people making a lot of money through their contacts in Syria and that is going to dry up fast.”

https://truepundit.com/deep-state-vows- ... rom-syria/

I was going to ask what rhymes with Mitt but that would be rude.

markharr wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 4:07 pm The following sounds exactly like the gadianton robbers as defined in the Book of Mormon. Committing murder and whoredoms for financial gain.

If President Trump wanted to profit off of his office, he could easily do so by joining in on this instead of pulling us out of it.

Deep State Vows PAYBACK After Trump Disrupts Millions In Illegal Drug Trafficking Cash & Kickbacks from Syria

High-placed federal law enforcement sources dropped a bombshell, claiming the renewed push to impeach the president is rooted, in part, in President Trump’s move to pull the United States out of the conflict in Syria — and stop untold millions in dirty cash from flowing into the deep state’s pockets.

“This isn’t about the Kurds, it’s about the cash,” one FBI source said.

And that cash is no chump change; it’s millions and millions of dollars flowing into the coffers of crooked politicians and deep-state pockets worldwide.

Federal sources paint a dark picture here, alleging crooked politicians and their benefactors are fuming. For years, it is alleged, deep state players have been raking in millions in illicit profits through the manufacturing and distribution of narcotics in Syria.

But that profitable network could stop producing its riches for U.S. players if the cease-fire Trump negotiated continues and if Trump’s plan to remove U.S. personnel from Syria commences.

Back here in the U.S., Trump faces a new and angrier wave of angst from DC players and politicians who have launched an even more-rabid push to remove him from the White House.

“There’s panic,” one source said. “There are a lot of connected people making a lot of money through their contacts in Syria and that is going to dry up fast.”

https://truepundit.com/deep-state-vows- ... rom-syria/

If that is why Trump is pulling out, why doesn't he say so and rat these guys out?

One thing is true, it is all about drugs and money laundering. Pay attention to about min. 45 too - sounds like Trump has used a an alias.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 1:24 pm

If that is why Trump is pulling out, why doesn't he say so and rat these guys out?

I'm confused by this because he has said so repeatedly.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 1:24 pmOne thing is true, it is all about drugs and money laundering. Pay attention to about min. 45 too - sounds like Trump has used a an alias.

Sorry but after three years of accusation after accusation against Trump being debunked, I am no longer willing to accept any accusation made against him without solid physical proof.

markharr wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 2:09 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 1:24 pm

If that is why Trump is pulling out, why doesn't he say so and rat these guys out?

I'm confused by this because he has said so repeatedly.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 1:24 pmOne thing is true, it is all about drugs and money laundering. Pay attention to about min. 45 too - sounds like Trump has used a an alias.

Sorry but after three years of accusation after accusation against Trump being debunked, I am no longer willing to accept any accusation made against him without solid physical proof.

He's said repeatedly that he doesn't support endless wars etc. I think he also said that he believed the PKK was more dangerous than ISIS. But when has he said that we are withdrawing troops because the deep state democrats were receiving money through a Syrian drug trade?

I grow to dislike mitt more each day. Today, it was the revelation that his guy Joseph Cofer Black sits on the board of Burisma. Yeah, that burisma in Ukraine.

This, from the scariest article I've read this year :

https://www.pickeringpost.com/howellwol ... in-danger/

Here's a quote:

The man on the left flew to New York to beg for Donald Trump’s support in his 2012 run for President against Barack Hussein Obama.

He came to Trump again when he ran for the U.S. Senate after somehow losing the presidency to a Socialist Muslim no one had ever heard of before. Trump graciously helped him–again.

But Mitt Romney is a sorry politrickster. He let Manchurian candidate, Barack Obama, smoke him in the presidential race….but he won a seat in the Senate.

So Trump backs Romney twice, but when last week’s flap over a phone call exploded, Romney was the first to condemn the President. Say what?

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So when hapless Mitt Romney condemned President Trump before even reading the transcript of the call, I immediately knew something was up. When I read it, there was absolutely nothing even interesting, much less amiss.

Mitt = deep state.

mudflap wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 9:39 pm I grow to dislike mitt more each day. Today, it was the revelation that his guy Joseph Cofer Black sits on the board of Burisma. Yeah, that burisma in Ukraine.

This, from the scariest article I've read this year :

https://www.pickeringpost.com/howellwol ... in-danger/

Here's a quote:

The man on the left flew to New York to beg for Donald Trump’s support in his 2012 run for President against Barack Hussein Obama.

He came to Trump again when he ran for the U.S. Senate after somehow losing the presidency to a Socialist Muslim no one had ever heard of before. Trump graciously helped him–again.

But Mitt Romney is a sorry politrickster. He let Manchurian candidate, Barack Obama, smoke him in the presidential race….but he won a seat in the Senate.

So Trump backs Romney twice, but when last week’s flap over a phone call exploded, Romney was the first to condemn the President. Say what?

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.
.

So when hapless Mitt Romney condemned President Trump before even reading the transcript of the call, I immediately knew something was up. When I read it, there was absolutely nothing even interesting, much less amiss.

Mitt = deep state.

It never occurs to anyone that the elite are out to get Romney. Although, I don't look at run-of-the-mill crooked politicians (like Biden) who take the bait of wealth and power to be the true movers and shakers. It seems obvious to me that the reason Burisma would bring in a former Romney employee was for the same reason they dragged in the Bidens with this promise of wealth, so they could use that compromising info later to drag their names through the mud with their manipulated right-wing masses.

Glenn Beck had an interview recently with someone who worked in the Ukrainian government, and witnessed a lot of this corruption going on. What was funny is that he tells Glenn that his new buddy Rudy G knows everyone in the Ukraine. No red flags there, he simply buys into the lie that Rudy was trying to bring the bad guys to light.
While the best they can do with Romney is to reel someone in after the fact, these guys Trump has surrounded himself with from the beginning have all had ties to Ukraine, like Manafort and Cohen. https://www.businessinsider.com/michael ... ump-2018-7

My first huge red flag with Alex Jones was during Romney's run against John McCain. I was following the campaign pretty closely, and also listening to Alex occasionally when someone would post something. It was after witnessing Alex and his crew write a piece accusing Romney of all sorts of falsehoods that I first starting distrusting Alex Jones. I knew they were lying and I thought it was probably just anti-mormon fear. Now I wonder if they were just getting paid to do the elites dirty work, because it seems very evident now that they are.
The sad thing is is that Alex and company probably sincerely believe they are against the bad guys.
Is Alex calling out the Fed and Trump's flip flop on our great big bubble? I haven't been listening to him. But if Alex isn't doing this then he like Ron Paul is being disingenuous. And I think I know the reason Ron and Rand have suddenly become cheerleaders and apologists for Trump. It seemed to be after Rand was appointed to be his emissary to Iran this summer.

It was after witnessing Alex and his crew write a piece accusing Romney of all sorts of falsehoods that I first starting distrusting Alex Jones. I knew they were lying and I thought it was probably just anti-mormon fear.

Really? All he ever does is praise Mormons on his show. Why try to make the questioning of Romney into a anti-Mormon thing? Romney has done more damage to the Church than anyone else I can think of.

As for falsehoods, please share. It would be interesting since you brought up the subject.

The elite are not out to "get" Romney. They simply do not want anyone as POTUS who they believe would disapprove of their more wicked ways, in spite of Romney's efforts to court favour of the elites (which I prefer to call latter-day gadiantons).

Fiannan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 11:16 pm

It was after witnessing Alex and his crew write a piece accusing Romney of all sorts of falsehoods that I first starting distrusting Alex Jones. I knew they were lying and I thought it was probably just anti-mormon fear.

Really? All he ever does is praise Mormons on his show. Why try to make the questioning of Romney into a anti-Mormon thing? Romney has done more damage to the Church than anyone else I can think of.

As for falsehoods, please share. It would be interesting since you brought up the subject.

Not only that (praising Mormons), but when he waxes theological, he is describing things very much like the Mormon/LDS view of reality. Example: 1) we are here on this earth to see if we will choose good over evil; i.e., it is a testing ground; 2) we need to follow Jesus Christ; 3) what the Lord has in store for us we can't even imagine; 4) yes, there really is a devil; 5) etc.

Plus he always gives Joel Skousen time on his shows, maybe 3 times a year, or so.

larsenb wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 2:05 pm This thread name should be changed to "Pierre Delecto"

PierrE DelectO

No thanks,

OTEC is vastly superior.
Please, let’s resurrect Jimmy Carter’s magnificent plan.
Prolly too little, too late, and now must await total collapse, following 7years prosperity.

A good idea never dies.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 10:15 pm
It never occurs to anyone that the elite are out to get Romney. Although, I don't look at run-of-the-mill crooked politicians (like Biden) who take the bait of wealth and power to be the true movers and shakers. It seems obvious to me that the reason Burisma would bring in a former Romney employee was for the same reason they dragged in the Bidens with this promise of wealth, so they could use that compromising info later to drag their names through the mud with their manipulated right-wing masses.

Glenn Beck had an interview recently with someone who worked in the Ukrainian government, and witnessed a lot of this corruption going on. What was funny is that he tells Glenn that his new buddy Rudy G knows everyone in the Ukraine. No red flags there, he simply buys into the lie that Rudy was trying to bring the bad guys to light.
While the best they can do with Romney is to reel someone in after the fact, these guys Trump has surrounded himself with from the beginning have all had ties to Ukraine, like Manafort and Cohen. https://www.businessinsider.com/michael ... ump-2018-7

The elite are out to get Romney, a junior senator, and 3 time washed up craven presidential candidate? that's funny. and exactly wrong, in my opinion.

No, Romney has joined their team. Now the elite are out to get trump. read the article. The author has documented everything he says.

as far as your "2018" article- ummm- yeah, Mueller wrapped up his investigation this year and didn't find anything. Cohen is in prison for campaign finance fraud. As far as money originating from the Ukraine- that's been debunked. BBC got sued over that false information:

On March 28, 2019, the BBC retracted the allegation that Michael Cohen received $400,000 to arrange access to President Donald Trump.

The BBC apologised for the claim, which it accepted was untrue, and agreed to pay Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine, an undisclosed sum in damages.

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael ... ss-2018-5/

If the elite are out to get Romney, where's the proof? who's attacking him (besides us deplorables / dirt people)? where are the fake payments from Ukraine to "get him"? But maybe you have a different definition of "elite". But let's be clear: Dirt people elected Trump. The elite wanted Clinton. Just look at any electoral map or hollywood commentary.

My point was Trump helped Romney twice, and the ONLY thing we've ever heard from Romney is "orange man bad". They're also on the same team (republicans). At the very least, Romney is not much of a friend.

he's playing you, Utah. just like Hillary played NY as a senator. they are both cut from the same cloth.

Fiannan wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 11:16 pm

It was after witnessing Alex and his crew write a piece accusing Romney of all sorts of falsehoods that I first starting distrusting Alex Jones. I knew they were lying and I thought it was probably just anti-mormon fear.

Really? All he ever does is praise Mormons on his show. Why try to make the questioning of Romney into a anti-Mormon thing? Romney has done more damage to the Church than anyone else I can think of.

As for falsehoods, please share. It would be interesting since you brought up the subject.

I didn't mean to imply that Alex was anti-mormon. I was simply saying that at the time I was confused by the obvious falsehoods he was saying about Romney, and couldn't understand what his motivation would be to print and say the things he was saying. The thought that he might be anti-mormon at that time just crossed my mind as a possible explanation, but I didn't mean that to be an accusation, only a demonstration of how confused I was. I don't listen to Alex so I don't know what he's been saying lately. And I don't remember what the things were that I recognized as lies or distortions - I could try to find them. I remember that at some point he accused Romney of being a globalist because he joined the CFR at some point (like many with political ambition) so I know that was one reason he didn't like Romney, but that's not what bothered me.
I'm sure Alex realizes that a big swath of his listeners are Mormon, and so it would be unwise of him to start saying anything negative about our Church.

lundbaek wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 12:30 am The elite are not out to "get" Romney. They simply do not want anyone as POTUS who they believe would disapprove of their more wicked ways, in spite of Romney's efforts to court favour of the elites (which I prefer to call latter-day gadiantons).

I wouldn't be so sure about that. The elites are out to silence anyone they know that has any kind of influence who they know they can't control. I think they know they couldn't control Romney. Just the fact that he rebuffed Trump during his campaign shows that's he's not into the game of trading political favors. Romney's not going along with their war of left vs. right, and he's calling out the obvious inconsistencies with Trump like sending twice as many troops to Saudi Arabia as he is supposedly bringing home. So naturally, the elites are going to try to discredit or bash him. The elites are using Trump to further their goals.

mudflap wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 6:43 am

Sarah wrote: ↑October 24th, 2019, 10:15 pm
It never occurs to anyone that the elite are out to get Romney. Although, I don't look at run-of-the-mill crooked politicians (like Biden) who take the bait of wealth and power to be the true movers and shakers. It seems obvious to me that the reason Burisma would bring in a former Romney employee was for the same reason they dragged in the Bidens with this promise of wealth, so they could use that compromising info later to drag their names through the mud with their manipulated right-wing masses.

Glenn Beck had an interview recently with someone who worked in the Ukrainian government, and witnessed a lot of this corruption going on. What was funny is that he tells Glenn that his new buddy Rudy G knows everyone in the Ukraine. No red flags there, he simply buys into the lie that Rudy was trying to bring the bad guys to light.
While the best they can do with Romney is to reel someone in after the fact, these guys Trump has surrounded himself with from the beginning have all had ties to Ukraine, like Manafort and Cohen. https://www.businessinsider.com/michael ... ump-2018-7

The elite are out to get Romney, a junior senator, and 3 time washed up craven presidential candidate? that's funny. and exactly wrong, in my opinion.

No, Romney has joined their team. Now the elite are out to get trump. read the article. The author has documented everything he says.

as far as your "2018" article- ummm- yeah, Mueller wrapped up his investigation this year and didn't find anything. Cohen is in prison for campaign finance fraud. As far as money originating from the Ukraine- that's been debunked. BBC got sued over that false information:

On March 28, 2019, the BBC retracted the allegation that Michael Cohen received $400,000 to arrange access to President Donald Trump.

The BBC apologised for the claim, which it accepted was untrue, and agreed to pay Petro Poroshenko, the president of Ukraine, an undisclosed sum in damages.

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael ... ss-2018-5/

If the elite are out to get Romney, where's the proof? who's attacking him (besides us deplorables / dirt people)? where are the fake payments from Ukraine to "get him"? But maybe you have a different definition of "elite". But let's be clear: Dirt people elected Trump. The elite wanted Clinton. Just look at any electoral map or hollywood commentary.

My point was Trump helped Romney twice, and the ONLY thing we've ever heard from Romney is "orange man bad". They're also on the same team (republicans). At the very least, Romney is not much of a friend.

he's playing you, Utah. just like Hillary played NY as a senator. they are both cut from the same cloth.

Just because a politician criticizes Trump doesn't mean he has "joined the team." Would you also accuse Ron Paul of joining the elites team for those times when he has been critical of Trump? Or when Ron Paul criticized any republican in the past. Did Ron Paul help the elites because he wasn't "unifying our country?"

If the elites wanted Trump out of the White House it would have happened already. According to Trump and the other right-wing conspiracy theorists, all the Democrats/Obama supporters in Washington equal the deep state. But these guys are not those at the very top who are in control of all the money and who gets into power.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:16 am
Just because a politician criticizes Trump doesn't mean he has "joined the team." Would you also accuse Ron Paul of joining the elites team for those times when he has been critical of Trump? Or when Ron Paul criticized any republican in the past. Did Ron Paul help the elites because he wasn't "unifying our country?"

Ron Paul doesn't have any ties to Ukraine.

mudflap wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:29 am

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:16 am
Just because a politician criticizes Trump doesn't mean he has "joined the team." Would you also accuse Ron Paul of joining the elites team for those times when he has been critical of Trump? Or when Ron Paul criticized any republican in the past. Did Ron Paul help the elites because he wasn't "unifying our country?"

Ron Paul doesn't have any ties to Ukraine.

I never said he did. I actually think the Pauls are good guys who are just trying to do what they can with the reality of the situation. Ron Paul when asked if he voted for Trump hinted that he wrote in Rand's name. He just wants his son to have a sucessful political career. And I can see the elites helping him to take away votes from whomever they don't want.

My question was, would you accuse Ron Paul of helping the elites if he was critical of Trump or other Republicans in office?

Sirius wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 9:50 am

This is hilarious. You want evidence that the elite are out to get Romney - here it is. I love how all these Q videos advertise the "patriot flashlight." I also love how Q knows everything Trump is thinking. And these elaborate decodes, when did this start happening? It used to be someone simply interrpreted what Q said.

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:45 am

mudflap wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:29 am

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:16 am
Just because a politician criticizes Trump doesn't mean he has "joined the team." Would you also accuse Ron Paul of joining the elites team for those times when he has been critical of Trump? Or when Ron Paul criticized any republican in the past. Did Ron Paul help the elites because he wasn't "unifying our country?"

Ron Paul doesn't have any ties to Ukraine.

I never said he did. I actually think the Pauls are good guys who are just trying to do what they can with the reality of the situation. Ron Paul when asked if he voted for Trump hinted that he wrote in Rand's name. He just wants his son to have a sucessful political career. And I can see the elites helping him to take away votes from whomever they don't want.

My question was, would you accuse Ron Paul of helping the elites if he was critical of Trump or other Republicans in office?

thanks for the red herring* attempt, but

If the elite are out to get Romney, where's the proof? who's attacking him (besides us deplorables / dirt people)?

I'd still like to know.

*red herring
n. Something that draws attention away from the matter being discussed or dealt with.

mudflap wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 12:42 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:45 am

mudflap wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:29 am

Sarah wrote: ↑October 25th, 2019, 10:16 am
Just because a politician criticizes Trump doesn't mean he has "joined the team." Would you also accuse Ron Paul of joining the elites team for those times when he has been critical of Trump? Or when Ron Paul criticized any republican in the past. Did Ron Paul help the elites because he wasn't "unifying our country?"

Ron Paul doesn't have any ties to Ukraine.

I never said he did. I actually think the Pauls are good guys who are just trying to do what they can with the reality of the situation. Ron Paul when asked if he voted for Trump hinted that he wrote in Rand's name. He just wants his son to have a sucessful political career. And I can see the elites helping him to take away votes from whomever they don't want.

My question was, would you accuse Ron Paul of helping the elites if he was critical of Trump or other Republicans in office?

thanks for the red herring* attempt, but

If the elite are out to get Romney, where's the proof? who's attacking him (besides us deplorables / dirt people)?

I'd still like to know.

*red herring
n. Something that draws attention away from the matter being discussed or dealt with.

The video Sirius posted was proof. What you don't understand is that the elite are behind the whole Q disinformation movement. It is a psychological operation to string conservatives along into thinking Trump is intent on draining the swamp. So far the only people who have been drained are people who have been close to Trump. And I thought Muller was supposed to be part of the deep state. So much for that.

Romney still seems ever eager to please the establishment when one of their lackey's calls and suggests what the PTB want. A good man in perhaps many ways, he still is not sensing when he is dealing with wolves in sheep's clothing, which seems to be a failing of most LDS voters.