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Lexew1899 wrote:

If Mitt really wanted to harm Trump's chance for President, he would have given him an endorsement.

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"I still believe in the people of America. And so Ann and I join with you to earnestly pray for this great nation.

Thank you, and God bless America." Mitt Romney.

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"As WND reported Tuesday, if Trump wins both Ohio and Florida, stopping him from gaining 1,237 delegates in the remaining GOP primary contests will be difficult, if not impossible. By pushing votes for Cruz, Rubio or Kasich, Rove appears to be angling for a “brokered” or “contested” nominating convention in which all delegates would be free to vote their preferences if the first ballot fails to produce a winner.

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I believe this to be a very desperate move by the GOP, since Mitt Romney is not one of the preferred Republican candidates.

Mitt's appearance on Jimmy Kimmel on March 8th, 2016.

It should be a very positive thing that Republican PEOPLE are torn between Cruz and Trump and are rejecting little Marco.

Judge Jeanine: Mitt Romney awoke a sleeping giant

She is a disgrace to the title "Judge".

Voting for a party president is wrong. What the saints should be doing is voting for a Constitution president.

Doctrine and Covenants 98:10
10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

honest...marked by truth
wise...marked by the exercise of good judgment or common sense in practical matters
good...having desirable or positive qualities especially those suitable for a thing specified

No matter who it is at the top of the popularity poll, we do not need a party president. Experience has proven that most party presidents have done nothing in defense of our God given rights. Name just one since Reagan that qualifies in at least two of the God given requirements he has given us.

Do we want our neighbors approval as to whom we vote for, or God's stamp of approval for doing the right thing even if our vote stands alone? Do we want to seek evil or good?

When we vote for someone that continues to destroy America, we are just as guilty as they because we then approve of their actions since we put our name on their ticket.

I refuse to waste my vote on a party president. I pray to make the best choice to please God, not man.

Mitt was not a good choice, because he flip flopped on almost every issue according to the mood of the day or what type crowd was present. For example, if someone is against abortion they can't appease the crowd and say they are okay with it.

I also know that any or all candidates could lie through their teeth at the debates as to what direction they want to see the country go in. And it wasn't the loud comments in an arguing, slanderous and accusatory way that got my attention, rather, it was the comments about getting this country back on tract and bringing the Founder's Constitution back into play full swing that got my attention.

Ben Carson had the courage to speak his mind right within earshot of the present POTUS at a pray breakfast, even quoting several biblical scriptures. Now that's impressive.
Now compare to this:

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2016, 12:43 pm Not for tender ears...

Pierre Delecto has only been making himself more an embarrassment as he has aged.

Every wonder why Lindsey Graham of the senate intelligence committee isn't holding his own investigations in spite of promising that he would back in May? Many people are speculating that he isn't doing that because it would implicate his long time good friend John McCain but there's also this.

In this episode of “Crowdsource the Truth,” John McCain and Lindsay Graham are revealed to own a weapons factory in Bulgaria where depleted uranium munitions and white phosphorous bombs are manufactured and then transported to Syria through established ratlines… all for profit.

https://revengeoftheherd.com/2017/07/13 ... the-truth/

And what about Mitt's fellow UT senator Mike Lee.

It was just a few years ago that Utah Senator Mike Lee was a persistent critic of Google. In 2011, Lee grilled then-CEO Eric Schmidt at a congressional antitrust hearing. Before joining the Senate, Lee pushed for a law that would have banned Google’s largest force of revenue. That would be keyword-based advertising. Lee also egged on antitrust investigations of big tech and then accused the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, of going too easy on powerful companies — and good for him.

But fast forward to today. Today, Mike Lee is one of Google’s chief allies in Congress — maybe its biggest ally in the Republican Party. Lee has questioned whether Congress should even bother with antitrust investigations of tech companies. Lee has introduced legislation that would make it harder for the government to block corporate mergers. Lee has complained about the E.U. imposing fines on Google for its behavior.

Lee even came on this program and told that conservatives shouldn’t worry about Google or other tech companies silencing conservative speech online.

What happened? Why the change? Well, it’s possible that Mike Lee just woke up one morning and decided that his previous views had been wrong. Maybe. And yet evidence compiled by the Google Transparency Project suggests there may have been other factors at play here.

Starting in 2013, Google spent millions of dollars rolling out its high-speed Internet service, Google Fiber, in both Provo and Salt Lake City, Utah. In 2015, Google hosted a high-profile fundraiser for Lee at its Silicon Valley law firm. The fundraiser got a lot of attention, so Google backed out. But the fundraiser itself went ahead, and Lee received a sizable donation from Google’s political action committee.

Ever since that fundraiser and the money he took, Lee’s interest in having the FTC investigate tech companies seems to have completely evaporated. Google knows there’s more to politics than just donations. So in 2017, they hired a close ally of Lee’s to manage the company’s relationship with conservatives. The Internet Association — that is a trade group of which Google is a part — hired away Mike Lee’s senior counsel from the Senate Judiciary Committee. Google also collaborated with the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute, two of Washington’s biggest conservative thinktanks.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08 ... -it-seems/

Donald Trump is overturning their very profitable apple cart. I'm not convinced that the senate won't vote to convict Trump on this phony impeachment for that very reason.

Wish Freud was alive to analyze why they chose the names they chose.

Donald Trump is overturning their very profitable apple cart. I'm not convinced that the senate won't vote to convict Trump on this phony impeachment for that very reason.

There has always been corruption, but the "globalization" ushered in by the Bretton Woods agreements took it to international levels as capital sought better ways to exploit both resources and people (human resources). And with the internet making connections even more simple the people at the top have exploited their positions to cannibalize the competition unable to compete due to lack of political connections and easily accessible capital. The politicians have used their positions to take their pieces of the pie and yes, they are so interlocked, both Dems and Reps, that to pull one out and expose it would yank out dozens of others as well. The media is owned by corporations as well. Why do you think the media has shut down the Epstein story? If a guy was in Russian prison threatening to expose many Russian officials of corruption, and then died under very questionable circumstances, the US media machine would be going 24/7 with the story. The silence regarding Jeffrey Epstein merely illustrates the corruption of the system. Wonder how many other Epstein-like operations are out there with dirt on who-knows-how-many prominent people in our society.

markharr wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 6:46 am Every wonder why Lindsey Graham of the senate intelligence committee isn't holding his own investigations in spite of promising that he would back in May? Many people are speculating that he isn't doing that because it would implicate his long time good friend John McCain but there's also this.

In this episode of “Crowdsource the Truth,” John McCain and Lindsay Graham are revealed to own a weapons factory in Bulgaria where depleted uranium munitions and white phosphorous bombs are manufactured and then transported to Syria through established ratlines… all for profit.

https://revengeoftheherd.com/2017/07/13 ... the-truth/

And what about Mitt's fellow UT senator Mike Lee.

It was just a few years ago that Utah Senator Mike Lee was a persistent critic of Google. In 2011, Lee grilled then-CEO Eric Schmidt at a congressional antitrust hearing. Before joining the Senate, Lee pushed for a law that would have banned Google’s largest force of revenue. That would be keyword-based advertising. Lee also egged on antitrust investigations of big tech and then accused the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, of going too easy on powerful companies — and good for him.

But fast forward to today. Today, Mike Lee is one of Google’s chief allies in Congress — maybe its biggest ally in the Republican Party. Lee has questioned whether Congress should even bother with antitrust investigations of tech companies. Lee has introduced legislation that would make it harder for the government to block corporate mergers. Lee has complained about the E.U. imposing fines on Google for its behavior.

Lee even came on this program and told that conservatives shouldn’t worry about Google or other tech companies silencing conservative speech online.

What happened? Why the change? Well, it’s possible that Mike Lee just woke up one morning and decided that his previous views had been wrong. Maybe. And yet evidence compiled by the Google Transparency Project suggests there may have been other factors at play here.

Starting in 2013, Google spent millions of dollars rolling out its high-speed Internet service, Google Fiber, in both Provo and Salt Lake City, Utah. In 2015, Google hosted a high-profile fundraiser for Lee at its Silicon Valley law firm. The fundraiser got a lot of attention, so Google backed out. But the fundraiser itself went ahead, and Lee received a sizable donation from Google’s political action committee.

Ever since that fundraiser and the money he took, Lee’s interest in having the FTC investigate tech companies seems to have completely evaporated. Google knows there’s more to politics than just donations. So in 2017, they hired a close ally of Lee’s to manage the company’s relationship with conservatives. The Internet Association — that is a trade group of which Google is a part — hired away Mike Lee’s senior counsel from the Senate Judiciary Committee. Google also collaborated with the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute, two of Washington’s biggest conservative thinktanks.

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019/08 ... -it-seems/

Donald Trump is overturning their very profitable apple cart. I'm not convinced that the senate won't vote to convict Trump on this phony impeachment for that very reason.

Trump has his own very profitable apple cart:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... f-interest

From Florida to New York to Scotland and many other places, Donald Trump’s business empire has attracted a growing clientele of lobbyists, foreign governments, big donors and other Trump allies looking to curry favor, and helping generate hundreds of millions of dollars for his golf course resorts, condos and hotels.

While much attention has focused on Trump’s Washington DC hotel as a honeypot for those seeking to influence the administration, Trump’s broader property empire across the US – and overseas – also concerns critics who say the president is using his office for financial benefit.
Inside Trump's DC hotel, where allies and lobbyists flock to peddle their interests
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During his first two full years as president, Trump’s revenues from his far-flung real estate business, which his two eldest sons are running while he is president, totaled at least $886m, according to Trump’s annual financial disclosures.

Trump’s controversial decision not to completely sever ties to his real estate interests in the US and overseas, or put his assets in a blind trust to limit conflicts of interest, has sparked strong condemnation from ethics watchdog groups, political analysts and congressional Democrats.

The financial web of ties between the president and his various properties is underscored by all manner of fundraising bashes, lobbyist meetings and foreign stays at Trump’s properties, spawning legal and ethics complaints.
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“Whether accepting money from political candidates, lobbyists or foreign governments, the president’s businesses seem all too willing to promote the message that the presidency is for sale,” Congressman Elijah Cummings, the chairman of the House oversight and reform committee, said in a statement.

According to his annual financial disclosures, Trump’s top revenue-producing properties have done handsomely by hosting fundraisers, lobbyist meetings and foreign delegations. They include:

• The Trump National Doral Golf Club in Miami, a favorite hangout for lobbyists and donors with ties to Trump, is a leading revenue source, yielding close to $151m in his first two years as president. Notably, the Doral club hosted annual meetings in 2018 and 2019 for a business group of payday lenders whose exorbitant interest rates sparked a regulatory crackdown by the Obama administration, but have been cheered by recent Trump administration rollbacks.

• Trump’s self styled “summer White House” in Bedminster, New Jersey, had revenues of $30.8m in the same two-year period. On 19 July, Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee are slated to host a big fundraiser in Bedminster where donors who pony up $100,000 can get their picture taken with Trump, enjoy a roundtable chat with him and other perks.

• Mar-a-Lago, the swanky Palm Beach club where Trump doubled the annual membership fee to $200,000 when he became president, pulled in revenues totaling $48m in the two-year period. As ProPublica first revealed, a trio of wealthy Mar-a-Lago members, who are friends of Trump, played a big role in shaping policy at the Department of Veterans Affairs, spurring a House panel to look into allegations of “improper influence”.

• Trump’s Turnberry golf resort in Scotland, which Trump has visited and promoted in tweets while in office as “incredible”, notched revenues of $43.8m in 2017 and 2018.

Robert Maguire, the research director of the nonpartisan ethics watchdog Crew, said the web of influence peddling at Trump’s properties poses “…unprecedented conflicts of interest. President Trump’s continued financial ties to his businesses including his hotel have been received by his administration and political allies not with scorn, but enthusiastic support.”

Little wonder Trump’s financial ties to his businesses have prompted congressional scrutiny by the House oversight committee and other panels, plus a lawsuit by more than 200 Democrats alleging the foreign business at his properties violate an anti-corruption clause in the constitution designed to curb improper foreign influence on federal officials.

Data compiled by Crew sheds further light on the web of ties between the president and his businesses.

Recent Crew data found that through mid-2019, Trump has made at least 345 visits to properties that he continues to profit from while in office. Further, Trump personally mentioned or referred to his company at least 143 times since taking office, the Crew data also showed.

Some powerful lobbyists, such as Florida’s Brian Ballard, who is known to have good ties to Trump, have also helped boost business at Trump properties via his clients. One example: Geo Group, a private prison company that Ballard lobbies for, won a $110m contract in 2017 to build an immigration detention facility in Texas and soon after moved its annual leadership meeting to Trump’s Doral golf club.

Other Ballard clients, including Nigerian officials, have hosted meetings or stayed at the Trump hotel in DC.

Foreign government patronage of Trump properties has been especially notable, sparking separate lawsuits by some 200 Democrats in Congress, as well as attorneys general from Maryland and DC, who allege that they violate the foreign emoluments clause in the constitution. The clause bars foreign payments or gifts to federal officials without authorization by Congress.

The justice department has fought the suits, arguing the clause should only apply to direct payments to the president and not foreign patronage of his properties, a position very similar to one expressed in early 2017 by Trump’s own lawyers.

NBC News recently calculated that representatives of at least 22 foreign governments – including some facing charges of corruption or human rights abuses such as Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Turkey and the Philippines – seem to have spent funds at Trump properties while he has been president.

Foreign spending at Trump properties mainly includes meetings, overnight stays and rentals or purchases.

Trump pledged to donate foreign profits from his properties to the government while he is in office, and the Trump Organization has written checks totaling $343,000 to the treasury for 2017 and 2018. But critics have said it’s impossible to verify if these checks fully cover foreign payments to Trump properties in part because Trump – unlike other presidents – has refused to release his tax returns.

Cummings, who leads one of a few House panels that have issued subpoenas or gone to court to obtain financial information on Trump’s income sources and businesses, says more sunlight on Trump’s foreign and domestic revenues is badly needed.

“The American people deserve complete transparency over these payments and the identities of those attempting to curry favor with the administration,” Cummings said.

Also this article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 197263001/

I wonder Sarah, (?) why are you so up on Mitt and down on Trump? Who would you rather be president next, Trump or Biden, Warren or Bernie? You see, Trump will get the nomination, so it will be him or a left-winger.

Who do you prefer?

Sarah wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am

“The American people deserve complete transparency over these payments and the identities of those attempting to curry favor with the administration,” Cummings said.

Also this article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 197263001/

This cummings?

Top Democrat's wife may have gained 'illegal private benefit' from his committee activities

Remind me again. How much is Trump getting paid to put up with all of this garbage?

markharr wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 10:58 am

Sarah wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 10:41 am

“The American people deserve complete transparency over these payments and the identities of those attempting to curry favor with the administration,” Cummings said.

Also this article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 197263001/

This cummings?

Top Democrat's wife may have gained 'illegal private benefit' from his committee activities

Remind me again. How much is Trump getting paid to put up with all of this garbage?

Two wrongs don't make a right. It appears that there is not anyone who gains power who doesn't fall into temptation to use it for their own gain.

Yet Mitt only calls out Trump on alleged items or even just innuendo, not the other guys. Why isn't he after the Democrats? Mitt is akin to someone asking to go fishing with you but then throwing rocks into the water where your line is resting.

Fiannan wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 10:45 am I wonder Sarah, (?) why are you so up on Mitt and down on Trump? Who would you rather be president next, Trump or Biden, Warren or Bernie? You see, Trump will get the nomination, so it will be him or a left-winger.

Who do you prefer?

I believe Mitt's behavior has been more honorable overall. If you want to know why I don't trust or admire Trump, just read and listen to everything in my posts. Who do I want to be president? It really doesn't matter at this point. Trump was the chosen one to take on China, and I'm anticipating we really do have to take them on before his term is up. If we continue on with a democrat, I'm sure the elites in power and Russia and China will manipulate that person like they've been manipulating everyone on both sides of the isle in our government for many years. Election time I will probably just write in Romney's name to acknowledge that we were offered something good but choose Obama instead. Did you vote for Romney or someone else that election?

Election time I will probably just write in Romney's name to acknowledge that we were offered something good but choose Obama instead. Did you vote for Romney or someone else that election?

Then you may as well be voting Democrat, and against every principle of the Gospel. Sorry, that is just the way it is. This election will be winner take all and if you think the liberals are crazy now, wait until they are given the opportunity to have a feeding frenzy over all the policies they find objectionable. It will not be pretty. And I doubt the USA will last long. Of course maybe Alfred Pike was right and the left and atheists will go crazy, a huge war will start, humanity will suffer great loss, and afterwards, after they exterminate the left and atheists an era of Luciferian worship will commence.

By the way, if you wish you can go back to Romney threads in 2012 where I defended him over and over again.

I, too, voted for Mitt in 2012. never again.

craven politician. Swamp creature.

but as far as "this election will be winner take all"....I don't know....I think it's already over, and doesn't really matter. As brash as he is, Trump is "too little, too late." we should've voted for Ron Paul when we had the chance. But no "one man" can fix this. Everything is already in place for "total control" or "total chaos", whichever way you want to look at it. Trump is merely a "respite". a "pause". a speedbump. we'll get what we deserve- we've been going 100 mph on the path to destruction, but we already passed all the exits. Trump just took us down to 75 mph for a while, so it feels "safe". for the moment.

Fiannan wrote: ↑October 23rd, 2019, 11:28 am

Election time I will probably just write in Romney's name to acknowledge that we were offered something good but choose Obama instead. Did you vote for Romney or someone else that election?

Then you may as well be voting Democrat, and against every principle of the Gospel. Sorry, that is just the way it is. This election will be winner take all and if you think the liberals are crazy now, wait until they are given the opportunity to have a feeding frenzy over all the policies they find objectionable. It will not be pretty. And I doubt the USA will last long. Of course maybe Alfred Pike was right and the left and atheists will go crazy, a huge war will start, humanity will suffer great loss, and afterwards, after they exterminate the left and atheists an era of Luciferian worship will commence.

By the way, if you wish you can go back to Romney threads in 2012 where I defended him over and over again.

I'm not totally against voting for the best out of the two. I voted for Bush and John McCain. But with Trump, I could not knowingly vote for someone whose personal life of adultery and foul language and everything else was so in your face. I also was more educated to know that the libertarian/nationalist movement had been hijacked, and that he was likely a tool to bring in a more nationalist movement, in order to bring conflict and a financial collapse.

The central banks have been doing the same thing for the last century - creating bubbles and then bursting them creating a giant transfer of wealth. That is what the tea-party was so mad about in 2008, that these huge banks were being bailed out and lining their own personal pockets, meanwhile the small banks were going belly-up and were taken over by the FDIC.

My brother-in-law was a banker, and he actually left the industry after a long career, in part because he witnessed the corruption going on. His bank was getting ready to purchase one of these smaller banks that had been taken over by the FDIC, and the FDIC assured them that they would get the bid, that they had all the paper-work in order etc. Then at the last minute, Obama and company told the FDIC to sell the bank to someone else. It was all about who you know in Washington apparently. Now Trump is just encouraging and facilitating the debt bubble and the massive transfer of wealth again from the middle class to the wealthy bankers. It is the same game being played, and he is a part of it. He preached during the campaign about the dangers of the Fed and now we don't here a peep about living responsibly and getting away from easy money. The only way to fix our economy is a detox. To stop spending and let the crash happen before the bubble gets too big. But there was no effort on Trump's part to fix that part. 44% of people in the U.S. need to go into debt to stay afloat. I wouldn't classify that as a great economy. Our bank just announced that they are laying off 500 people. Layoffs are happening everyone and manufacturing is way down. The banks currently cannot sustain themselves without having billions injected every day. Where is Trump warning us of what is coming and what we can do to fix this mess?

I'm not totally against voting for the best out of the two. I voted for Bush and John McCain. But with Trump, I could not knowingly vote for someone whose personal life of adultery and foul language and everything else was so in your face. I also was more educated to know that the libertarian/nationalist movement had been hijacked, and that he was likely a tool to bring in a more nationalist movement, in order to bring conflict and a financial collapse.

It's okay, if Trump loses we can finally put an end to religion in the USA and embark on a glorious new dawn; an era of illumination and growth as humans no longer hampered by the traditions of old. Children will no longer see out-dated classifications of male and female pushed on them, and parents who attempt to prevent their growth as individuals will be allowed to learn through community outreach how to purge such thoughts. It takes a village to raise a child you know and the village can ill afford dangerous attitudes, including religion, to pollute their minds.