71 Years Ago

[Ezra]

My dad served in the navy during Vietnam. My grandpa in ww2. One of my best friends is currently serving in the marines.

I have respect. I understand what they wanted to do. I also understand how they got used by satan to do.

No one wins a war that was not commanded by God. And we lds have a prophet that talks to God and recives commandments from him. We have never been commanded to go to war.

I seek peace. I seek peace and know God will provide a way to it if we were righteous enough to walk his ways.

[Ezra]

I love my God and the promise land country he established the constitution in. I hate the freedoms lost by our currupt government headed by satan. I fight against tyranny. And make darn sure I'm not being a part of that tyrannical force.

I've done as d&c123 12-16 says. I know and understand what the Book of Mormon and D&c 98 say are the conditions for which we are to go to war.
I would like to ask if you do?

If you have not done as D&c 123 12-16 says how do you know that your not ignorantly supporting the wrong side.

[gclayjr]

Ezra,

If you have such respect why are you so nasty as to insult farmerchick when she is reflecting upon the life of her recently departed father-in-law. You don't even have enough character to leave your political ruminations for intellectual discussions about war, not insulting the memory of her noble father-in-law.

In fact, even if you don't believe her father in law was noble, a man with even a small amount of class would just say nothing!

Semper FI

George CLay

[farmerchick]

That's the thing Ezra.....We don't know.....what we do know is the young soldiers going to die for our country are good young men and women....Support them....Vote in the best people to be our leaders and don't be ignorant of sacrifices that are given for our country. That's what I know.

[Ezra]

I just reread what you wrote Ezra....your a chicken....your a small man.....You know nothing of courage or valor. No one wants war...no one wants to die for nothing......but that's what happened because of wicked leadership.....You should thank any vet for their service, whether you believe it's right or not...because they have more integrity, courage and enlightenment then you will ever know......call em chicken again...spit on them too....

What's funny is I said compared to our savior they are chicken.

It's funny that no one agrees.
I wonder why that is??


13 And the blood of that great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.

14 And every nation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall fall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that fight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the dust and great shall be the fall of it.

Is it so horrible to raise a warning voice against war? Against being part of the great and abominable church of the devil?

[Ezra]

Ezra,

If you have such respect why are you so nasty as to insult farmerchick when she is reflecting upon the life of her recently departed father-in-law. You don't even have enough character to leave your political ruminations for intellectual discussions about war, not insulting the memory of her noble father-in-law.

In fact, even if you don't believe her father in law was noble, a man with even a small amount of class would just say nothing!

Semper FI

George CLay

I said nothing disrespectful. I asked questions and commented that is was great that he learned and grew from his exsperiances in life.

I have no ill will towards anyone. Like I said I want peace. Can't have peace with hate or distane in your heart.

[Bgood]

I love my God and the promise land country he established the constitution in. I hate the freedoms lost by our currupt government headed by satan. I fight against tyranny. And make darn sure I'm not being a part of that tyrannical force.

I've done as d&c123 12-16 says. I know and understand what the Book of Mormon and D&c 98 say are the conditions for which we are to go to war.
I would like to ask if you do?

If you have not done as D&c 123 12-16 says how do you know that your not ignorantly supporting the wrong side.

One more time read what the prophet said: "We owe an eternal debt of gratitude to all of those,
past and present, who have given so much of
themselves that we might have so much ourselves."
--Thomas S. Monson, Ensign, Sep 2005, 2-8

[farmerchick]

The Savior knows what happened to them and He knows they aren't chicken....

[gclayjr]

ezra,

what cowardice hiding behind

s it so horrible to raise a warning voice against war? Against being part of the great and abominable church of the devil?

you just can't stop smearing farmerchick's recently deceased father-in-law and use the above to justify this nastiness.

farmerchick,

Ezra is so focused on his little political ideas that he cannot even "let it go" to let you fondly remember your recently departed father in law.

Just remember he is a small minority. I think most people, whether they agree with that war or not, can respect and honor your father in law for having served our country. and wish you the fondest memories of him.

Regards,

George Clay

[Ezra]

I never said they were. I said compared to the savoirs act of bravery with the cross they were.

[farmerchick]

Good to know, no ill will... My father in law was ashamed of his service until he grew up. He was tormented for his whole life because of what he saw and had to do. What he discovered is that it wasn't his fault he was called to serve in that way and he was valuable. He learned to forgive himself and others. As a side note his father who was interned in the Japanese camp was their 5 years doing hard labor for the Japanese and lived on bugs. He weighed 80 lbs and was 6 ft tall and was liberated by the allies weeks before he probably would have died. War is hell.....His father died in his fifties due to what happened in the camp. Their family has been forever impacted because of what happened...and they aren't chicken either.

[Ezra]

ezra,

what cowardice hiding behind

s it so horrible to raise a warning voice against war? Against being part of the great and abominable church of the devil?

you just can't stop smearing farmerchick's recently deceased father-in-law and use the above to justify this nastiness.

farmerchick,

Ezra is so focused on his little political ideas that he cannot even "let it go" to let you fondly remember your recently departed father in law.

Just remember he is a small minority. I think most people, whether they agree with that war or not, can respect and honor your father in law for having served our country. and wish you the fondest memories of him.

Regards,

George Clay

Thank you George. I always like to hear that I'm part of the few.
Being labeled as going along with the majority is something I strive not to do. As we all know what happens to the majority of lds. D&c 121 33-40.



And just so you know I love ya have respect for your statements. I used to think the same way. A very good friend used the scriptures and spoken word to open my eyes. And he was a Vietnam vet as well. His brother a state senator for a few years. Good men.

[Ezra]

Good to know, no ill will... My father in law was ashamed of his service until he grew up. He was tormented for his whole life because of what he saw and had to do. What he discovered is that it wasn't his fault he was called to serve in that way and he was valuable. He learned to forgive himself and others. As a side note his father who was interned in the Japanese camp was their 5 years doing hard labor for the Japanese and lived on bugs. He weighed 80 lbs and was 6 ft tall and was liberated by the allies weeks before he probably would have died. War is hell.....His father died in his fifties due to what happened in the camp. Their family has been forever impacted because of what happened...and they aren't chicken either.

Neither am I. But comparied to the savior I am. I don't think I could muster the currage to take on all the pain and suffering of the entire human race plus that of other planets. Absolutely incredible what he did.

[Ezra]

Contention is what created war and this tread.

I don't want to see people celebrate that contention.

I would turn on the TV but it's so embarrassing
To see all the other people I don't know what they mean
And it was magic at first when they spoke without sound
But now this world is gonna hurt you better turn that thing down
Turn it around

"It wasn't me", says the boy with the gun
"Sure I pulled the trigger but it needed to be done
Cause life's been killing me ever since it begun
You cant blame me cause I'm too young"

"You can't blame me sure the killer was my son
But I didn't teach him to pull the trigger of the gun
It's the killing on this TV screen
You cant blame me its those images he seen"

Well "You can't blame me", says the media man
Well "I wasn't the one who came up with the plan
I just point my camera at what the people want to see
Man it's a two way mirror and you cant blame me"

"You can't blame me", says the singer of the song
Or the maker of the movie which he based his life on
"It's only entertainment and as anyone can see
The smoke machines and makeup and you cant fool me"

It was you it was me it was every man
We've all got the blood on our hands
We only receive what we demand
And if we want hell then hells what well have

And I would turn on the TV
But it's so embarrassing
To see all the other people
I don't even know what they mean
And it was magic at first
But let everyone down
And now this world is gonna hurt
You better turn it around
Turn it around

Jack Johnson.

We can celebrate war and war is what we will get.

Why don't we instead celebrate peace. Why don't we have a holiday to celebrate God humility peace love.
Our focus is in the wrong place.
We will never find peace when focused on war. When we celebrate something people justify it. Find a reason for what they and others did.
They don't see clearly what it really is.
As I said befor. If God didn't command the war. Both sides loose.

Do we learn from our mistakes or do we celebrate them.

[Ezra]

Why I open my mouth.

D&c 88

77 And I give unto you a COMMANDMENT that you shall teach one another the doctrine of the kingdom.

78 Teach ye diligently and my grace shall attend you, that you may be instructed more perfectly in theory, in principle, in doctrine, in the law of the gospel, in all things that pertain unto the kingdom of God, that are expedient for you to understand;

79 Of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad; THE WARS AND PERPLEXITIES OF THE NATIONS, and the judgments which are on the land; and a knowledge also of countries and of kingdoms—

80 That ye may be prepared in all things when I shall send you again to magnify the calling whereunto I have called you, and the mission with which I have commissioned you.

81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

82 Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.

I have enough sins on my head I don't want to add others for not opening my mouth of things I have studied and been warned about.

[Ezra]

If I witnessed the prophet doing something wrong I would not hold back either.
I'm better then no one and no one is better then me. We are all equal here on earth doing the best we can with the knowledge we have thus far gained.

[Bgood]

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[Army Of Truth]

Everyone please stop with the ad hominem attacks or this thread will have to be locked. And please respect the soldiers who have given their lives for freedom. My father is a Vietnam vet and he experienced a homecoming where he was yelled at and spit on and called "baby killer" and that really angers me. Even though I know bad things were done by soldiers in many wars past and present, I still have respect for soldiers and the lives they've given. This in no way means that I respect the many bad and corrupt things done by many soldiers or the many lies from our Presidents, past and present, that led us into unconstitutional wars. We need to separate the soldiers with the actions.

More positive love and less contention and hate please!! :ymhug: