71 Years Ago

[Bgood]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

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[Matchmaker]

B good,
Please post the video of John McDermott singing "the band played Waltzing Matilda" from you tube. I never learned how to upload a you tube video onto LDSFF.

Thanks.

[Bgood]

B good,
Please post the video of John McDermott singing "the band played Waltzing Matilda" from you tube. I never learned how to upload a you tube video onto LDSFF.

Thanks.[/quote]

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

I've known several people who have died in war. I wonder, will our children eventually ask what are they marching for. John Mcdermott does a wonderful job in the area of vets. I only hope our children will be taught never to forget those who gave their lives for our freedom

[gclayjr]

Bgood

You are of course talking about February 19, 1945 and the location was Iwo Jima



June 6, 1944 ... February 19, 1945... yea February 19, 1945 closer to 71 years ago.

Semper FI.

George Clay

[gkearney]

No event is more central to the development of Australia as a nation than the events surrounding World War I and the defeat and evacuation of ANZAC Cove on the coast of Turkey. It marks the moment in time when the people of Australia stopped thinking of themselves as British or Irishmen living in Australia and started to consider themselves as being truely Australians, a disinct people.

[gclayjr]

GKearney,

I guess there are are number of Beaches where a few brave men changed history. For each of us in different countries we have different "Greatest" heroes. However as an Australian, you would have to admit that the battle for the Solomons starting with the invasion of Guadalcanal was very helpful to help keep you from having to learn to speak Japanese.

Semper FI.

George Clay

[Matchmaker]

B good,
Please post the video of John McDermott singing "the band played Waltzing Matilda" from you tube. I never learned how to upload a you tube video onto LDSFF.

Thanks.

Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives... you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours... You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

I've known several people who have died in war. I wonder, will our children eventually ask what are they marching for. John Mcdermott does a wonderful job in the area of vets. I only hope our children will be taught never to forget those who gave their lives for our freedom[/quote]

This is the most moving song about the horrors and sadness of war that I have ever heard. Thanks for posting it.

[Ezra]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

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Is there a scale somewhere that can determine How brave people are?

I think the bravest man to walk the earth is our savior carring his own cross to his own death to save us all.
He didn't even have a weapon to hide behind.

So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

[Bgood]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

[So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

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[Ezra]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

[So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

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If I were to make a claim that (insert name here) is the smartest person to ever walk the earth. There has to be a way to determine it. Other wise it's either a lie or a statement that if founded in delusion.

So I'm just curious what makes you think that the men who had a gun or tank or other weapons to hide behind were more brave then our savior?

[Robin Hood]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

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While I agree with your sentiment, we must remember that those brave men consisted of Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, Indians, Jamaicans, Poles, French etc.
And let us also not forget the bravery of the Russians who pushed Hitler back when it had looked as if they were finished; and who at the cost of 20 million dead made the D-Day landings possible.

[Ezra]

I always wonder. At judgement day who will be given the title Hero. Those who killed others or those who refused to kill? Those who went to war or those who raised the peace banner? Those who did as instructed in D&c 98 befor going to war or those who didn't?

[Robin Hood]

I always wonder. At judgement day who will be given the title Hero. Those who killed others or those who refused to kill? Those who went to war or those who raised the peace banner? Those who did as instructed in D&c 98 befor going to war or those who didn't?

Me too.

[Bgood]

I always wonder. At judgement day who will be given the title Hero. Those who killed others or those who refused to kill? Those who went to war or those who raised the peace banner? Those who did as instructed in D&c 98 befor going to war or those who didn't?

"You make me sick. Why don't you go live in one of these poor down trodden countries, where women are beaten for going alone into public, girls have acid thrown on them for going to school, where religious police arrest you if you don't go to mosque, or if your beard isn't the right length, where anyone who even looks at another religion is put to death? Go somewhere where freedom is really taken away.

Or maybe you would rather live under the Nazi's, where children ratted on their parents, neighbors ratted on each other, where people were put in gas chambers, medical experiments were done on people with no anesthetic.
Do you think only Jews were persecuted? Mormons and other Christians were put into the camps as well. Maybe you would prefer that.

Since so few people in this country really appreciate what we have had, and are loosing, you may have your wish. The above things may be what we are in for.

"We owe an eternal debt of gratitude to all of those,
past and present, who have given so much of
themselves that we might have so much ourselves."
--Thomas S. Monson, Ensign, Sep 2005, 2-8

[gclayjr]

BGood,

I think that we should bring back the draft. This would solve 2 problems.

1) All men would have an investment into their country, and we would know that Freedom isn't free.

2) It would act as a brake to prevent politicians from entering into elective wars without much thought. Because if some senator's son, or some other elite bigwig's son might have to actually fight in the war, they might not be too cavalier about the conflicts they choose. Because most who volunteer, are patriotic people like me who come from a redneck white trash background, and nobody gives a damn about us!

Regards,

George Clay

[Bgood]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

dgmmarines-storm-the-mall.jpg

Is there a scale somewhere that can determine How brave people are?

I think the bravest man to walk the earth is our savior carring his own cross to his own death to save us all.
He didn't even have a weapon to hide behind.

So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

The LDS membership are citizens or subjects of sovereignties over which the LDS has no control...........When, therefore, constitutional law, obedient to these principles, calls the men of the LDS into the armed service of any country to which they owe allegiance, their highest civic duty requires that they meet that call. IF, harking to that call and obeying those in command over them, they shall take the lives of those who fight against them, that will not make of them murderers, nor subject them to the penalty that God has prescribed for those who kill, beyond the principle to be mentioned shortly. For it world be a cruel God that would punish His children as moral sinners for acts done by them as the innocent instrumentalities of a sovereign whom He had told them to obey and whose will they were powerless to resist (J. Reuben Clark Jr. in CR, April 1942, pp.94-95.)

[Bgood]

BGood,

I think that we should bring back the draft. This would solve 2 problems.

1) All men would have an investment into their country, and we would know that Freedom isn't free.

2) It would act as a brake to prevent politicians from entering into elective wars without much thought. Because if some senator's son, or some other elite bigwig's son might have to actually fight in the war, they might not be too cavalier about the conflicts they choose. Because most who volunteer, are patriotic people like me who come from a redneck white trash background, and nobody gives a damn about us!

Regards,

George Clay

YES, Should be require All persons in the United States, ages 18 to 24 years old, to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed servicesor as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.

[Ezra]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

dgmmarines-storm-the-mall.jpg

Is there a scale somewhere that can determine How brave people are?

I think the bravest man to walk the earth is our savior carring his own cross to his own death to save us all.
He didn't even have a weapon to hide behind.

So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

The LDS membership are citizens or subjects of sovereignties over which the LDS has no control...........When, therefore, constitutional law, obedient to these principles, calls the men of the LDS into the armed service of any country to which they owe allegiance, their highest civic duty requires that they meet that call. IF, harking to that call and obeying those in command over them, they shall take the lives of those who fight against them, that will not make of them murderers, nor subject them to the penalty that God has prescribed for those who kill, beyond the principle to be mentioned shortly. For it world be a cruel God that would punish His children as moral sinners for acts done by them as the innocent instrumentalities of a sovereign whom He had told them to obey and whose will they were powerless to resist (J. Reuben Clark Jr. in CR, April 1942, pp.94-95.)

Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all
over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is
not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan
himself.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol I

Good to know that all those people who fought in wars that satan instilled in the hearts of the leaders of the country's will not be judged. The nazis the Americans all of them.

It's too bad the individuals involved in those wars in all country's did not do as we were asked in D&c 98. And raise the peace banner multiple times and then bring our grievances to the lord and wait for his commandment to go to war.

But since they will not be held accountable for not doing as the lord asked I'm glad for them.

Gotta be a good feeling to know your off the hook right? But it's gotta such knowing that satan has been in control of our nation for some time and has caused these wars and sufferings that you were in service to?

A mandatory service to satan I mean country for all citizens sounds like a great idea. Might as well add mandatory education in satans public schools and collages so that we are sure to have the indoctrination to blindly and willingly follow anything he might ask of us..

I have a better idea.

Anyone who wants to serve in the milatary should have to take and pass a strick constitution class. As well as learn and agree to a very strick moral and ethic code.

We want 2000 stripling warriors type people in service to represent the will of God first country second. And as Joseph fielding smith said satan has control of our country. We don't want people who don't recognize his doings to be in a position to be used to do his will.

Does my thinking and wanting to never do satans bidding make me such and horrible person? Or is that sickness caused by remorse realizing that you might have been doing satans will? Even if you were j Ruben Clark says your ok. Hope he is right,

[farmerchick]

Recently, my father in law passed away. He was 64, a veteran of the Vietnam war. He was my husbands step father and of Indonesian dutch ancestry. He was interned in Arlington cemetery this past month. His sister video taped an in depth interview about his life that my husband and I just reviewed. I did not know much about his background except that he was an addict and alcoholic in recovery. This man was a caring wonderful parent to my husband and a great resource for our family when we encountered problems with our 4 children who are now all adults. What I learned about this "hero" from his interview was almost unfathomable. In summary: He was born in Holland to WW ll internment camp survivors. The parents were Christians in Indonesia and were put in Japanese run work camps, where they almost died. The family immigrated legally to America, California to be exact, where my father in law was the only Asian in his class at school and struggled with English. He joined a gang at Age 10, started smoking marijuana, drinking alcohol, and huffing various products. He was almost killed in a motor cycle accident as a teen, went to juvi for gang activity. His family were catholic and very devout and his mother never gave up on him, but the road was long and hard throughout his life. At seventeen, school wasn't his thing, so he joined the army, infantry. He was sent to Vietnam in 69 through 71. He was in the Charlie company in the battle of Mary Ann. He was the only man left in his company. He lost 28 people close to him in one day. He lost his gun and helmet in the melee and ran to another stronghold up the hill, miraculously was not hurt even though bullets were whizzing by. He was fellowshipped by the black members of his group as racism was rampant in the army at that time. Murders of army personnel were commonplace by other members of the army and the blacks were willing to protect him. He later became a black panther, until he saw the error in the organization. He saw horrible things done to the Vietnamese civilians by the North Vietnamese and by American forces. He started using heroine by smoking cigarettes laced with it. Everyone did it just to cope. He followed orders and did what he had to do, and came home to a parade of agitators who spit on him when he arrived back in California after his discharge from the army. He withered away for awhile just passing time, getting high, messing around with bad people. By the time he was 28, he had a child that he abandoned and had been in jail for minor infractions and then he got mixed up with a girl who committed an armed robbery in Wa state. My father in law was incarcerated for a while and detoxed. He was looking at a 20 year stint in Walla Walla. He went before the judge and somehow the judge had compassion and saw something good in him. He took the chance and ran with it. He got clean, through AA. He became a mentor for others dealing with addiction and was sober for 29 years. He met my mother in law at AA. He also became a journeyman electrician, an electric engineer, who ended up working as the head electrical engineer on the Miami port tunnel project. He was in charge of 4000 employees and a multi million dollar budget. He retired in Jan of 2014. He was educated, accomplished craftsman, and one of the best people I've ever known. He had so much integrity, wisdom and love for all. I could have never imagined that he had led this life. He earned a bronze star for the battle of Mary Ann and the tattoo of 28 peacock feathers on this bicep honored those lost in the battle in one day. He wasn't a chicken, just a man who was there doing what he signed up to do. A thankless job that many would not do.

[Ezra]

Thankless to who?

Did his service bring more or less freedom to our country? Did it bring more or less freedom to Vietnam? How many innocents lifes were lost?
How many enemy's lifes were claimed? How many American lifes did it save? How many American lifes were lost?

It's no doubt that trials and suffering in ones individual life= growth and humility, if we allow it to.
Did the cost of war= gains in our individual freedom? Did ww1 or ww2 = more or less freedom?
Did the gulf war and war on terror = more or less freedom?
Don't forget to calculate in the cost of funding those wars that has been placed on the shoulders of the people of the USA and their children and children's children who will still be paying for it.
That taxation is bondage.

I just trying to figure out who should be thanking whom and for what exactly?

I'm glad that your father In law figured a way out of his trails it's a journey we must all do.

[Bgood]

The Bravest Men to ever walk the earth, Gathered on the Beaches, in the Name of Freedom. We are Forever Grateful.

dgmmarines-storm-the-mall.jpg

Is there a scale somewhere that can determine How brave people are?

I think the bravest man to walk the earth is our savior carring his own cross to his own death to save us all.
He didn't even have a weapon to hide behind.

So all those vets are chickens in comparison.

The LDS membership are citizens or subjects of sovereignties over which the LDS has no control...........When, therefore, constitutional law, obedient to these principles, calls the men of the LDS into the armed service of any country to which they owe allegiance, their highest civic duty requires that they meet that call. IF, harking to that call and obeying those in command over them, they shall take the lives of those who fight against them, that will not make of them murderers, nor subject them to the penalty that God has prescribed for those who kill, beyond the principle to be mentioned shortly. For it world be a cruel God that would punish His children as moral sinners for acts done by them as the innocent instrumentalities of a sovereign whom He had told them to obey and whose will they were powerless to resist (J. Reuben Clark Jr. in CR, April 1942, pp.94-95.)

Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, and confusion all
over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the president of the United States; it is
not Hitler; it is not Mussolini; it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan
himself.
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation Vol I

Good to know that all those people who fought in wars that satan instilled in the hearts of the leaders of the country's will not be judged. The nazis the Americans all of them.

It's too bad the individuals involved in those wars in all country's did not do as we were asked in D&c 98. And raise the peace banner multiple times and then bring our grievances to the lord and wait for his commandment to go to war.

But since they will not be held accountable for not doing as the lord asked I'm glad for them.

Gotta be a good feeling to know your off the hook right? But it's gotta such knowing that satan has been in control of our nation for some time and has caused these wars and sufferings that you were in service to?

A mandatory service to satan I mean country for all citizens sounds like a great idea. Might as well add mandatory education in satans public schools and collages so that we are sure to have the indoctrination to blindly and willingly follow anything he might ask of us..

I have a better idea.

Anyone who wants to serve in the milatary should have to take and pass a strick constitution class. As well as learn and agree to a very strick moral and ethic code.

We want 2000 stripling warriors type people in service to represent the will of God first country second. And as Joseph fielding smith said satan has control of our country. We don't want people who don't recognize his doings to be in a position to be used to do his will.

Does my thinking and wanting to never do satans bidding make me such and horrible person? Or is that sickness caused by remorse realizing that you might have been doing satans will? Even if you were j Ruben Clark says your ok. Hope he is right,

There are, however two conditions which may justify a true LDS man to enter, not begin- war: 1. An attempt by others to dominate and to deprive anther of his free agency , and 2. Loyalty to his own country .Possibly there is a third, Defense of a weak nation that is being unjustly crushed by a strong ruthless one.

Among these reasons is the defense of man's freedom. To deprive an intelligent human being of his free agency is to commit the crime of the ages. Without freedom of though, freedom of choice, freedom of action within lawful bounds, man cannot progress. Throughout the ages, advanced souls have yearned for a society in which liberty and justice prevail. Men have sought for it, fought for it, have died for it.Ancient freemen prized it, slaves longed for it, the Magna Charta demanded it, the Constitution of the US declared it.



A second obligation that impels us to become participants in war is loyalty to government. The greatest responsibility of the state is to guard the lives and to protect the property and rights of its citizens and if the state is obligated to protect its citizens from lawlessness within its boundaries, it is equally obligated to protect them from lawless encroachments from without-- whether the attacking criminals be individuals or nations. The only effective means of doing so under present world conditions is by armed force.

[farmerchick]

Have some respect Ezra for the men, who bled and died. The political gadiantons are responsible for whether it's right or wrong...not the men and women enlisted who had to do the dirty work. I hope you never have to lose your freedom because no one would stand up cuz they are chicken......Good men have died, lost everything, been wounded emotionally and physically because they love their fellowman. They want to serve someone greater than themselves and are better for it. I won't depend on you.....or those like you......give up your life for your friends...there is no greater love......

[gclayjr]

farmerchick,

Unfortunately, because there were so many people with little nasty selfish minds like Ezra, there were no parades for returning Vietnam veterans. In fact, during the last few years, of the war, veterans were instructed to not wear uniforms when they flew home so that such little nasty people like Ezra wouldn't spit on them,. yell at them, and call them names.

So because of political differences with the war that these nasty little people who couldn't separate their political opposition to the war from the servicemen who did not choose the war, but simply served their country, Unlike any previous war, they were never welcomed home.

For that reason, the greeting that Vietnam vets use to greet one another afterwards has been "Welcome Home!" since nobody else welcomed them home.

I served during the Vietnam war, although I was never sent "in country". So I would like to greet your departing Father in law with a hearty Welcome Home. I'm sure up there in heaven he is definitely being greeted with a hearty "welcome Home"

Semper Fi


George Clay

PS I am also 64

[Ezra]

The constitution does not grant the right to protect people who are not of this country. We are not to even have treaty's with other countries.

The Book of Mormon spells out that even going on the offensive in war God withdrawals his support.
It is defense on our own soil that the Book of Mormon points out as being the way. And that's only after we humble ourselfs look at the how and why of our side in the conflict and repented of it.

If God holds the life of every animal over our heads how much more does he hold the lives of his sons and daughters?

I want peace. And know that if we are righteous the lord will fight our battles. Satan will stir the hearts of men to want to fight and go to war.
It's been very clear that we as a nation have been concerned more about going to war then spreading and seeking peace and humility.

[farmerchick]

I just reread what you wrote Ezra....your a chicken....your a small man.....You know nothing of courage or valor. No one wants war...no one wants to die for nothing......but that's what happened because of wicked leadership.....You should thank any vet for their service, whether you believe it's right or not...because they have more integrity, courage and enlightenment then you will ever know......call em chicken again...spit on them too....