Because people who have the spirit don't go around making a big deal out of it.Stahura wrote:When someone (whorarely speaks of the Spirit, and of receiving knowledge by the Holy Ghost, and who has never even used the Holy Ghost as a reason for his/her beliefs, but instead just posts quote after quote) tries to tell me what the Spirit does and doesn't do, how can I take that person seriously? How do you know what the Spirit does and doesn't do? Are you an authority on the things that the Spirit does? Do you dictate what the Spirit does?
Is God limited in what he can teach us through the Spirit?
Does a man automatically receive certain powers at his Ordination?
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I've done no evil. You've persecuted me all day trying to drag me down, you've compared me to apostates maybe 10 times today.rewcox wrote:Listen to what you are saying. If you are filled with the peace of the spirit, you wouldn't say that.Stahura wrote:rewcox wrote: What you have said today is not consistent with the spirit. Denver and others have said similar things. The spirit doesn't fight against the church.
You claim an awful lot to know what the spirit does and doesn't do.
Denver Snuffer claims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. So do you rewcox, goodness does that mean you are apostate?
The people of King Benjamin had no disposition to do evil.
You really sound like BofM today.
I sarcastically compare you to an Apostate one, and I'm now doing evil?
Put me on your ignore list and get on with your life.
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I know what people that have the Spirit do. They testify of it. They manifest unto the people that the power of God was wrought upon them, and they testify of this to everyone and urge them to do the same. This is in the scriptures everywhere you look. Its as plain as can be. The Spirit urges you to share, it urges you to help others receive the Holy Ghost.rewcox wrote:Because people who have the spirit don't go around making a big deal out of it.Stahura wrote:When someone (whorarely speaks of the Spirit, and of receiving knowledge by the Holy Ghost, and who has never even used the Holy Ghost as a reason for his/her beliefs, but instead just posts quote after quote) tries to tell me what the Spirit does and doesn't do, how can I take that person seriously? How do you know what the Spirit does and doesn't do? Are you an authority on the things that the Spirit does? Do you dictate what the Spirit does?
Is God limited in what he can teach us through the Spirit?
I dare you to actually pray about this and consider that maybe not everything I say is crap, and that I have spoken at least one sentence of truth.
Every time that I have declared the plain doctrine of Christ, word for word the same way that Jesus and Nephi did, you still find fault with me. Do you not see a problem with this?
Is it logical to think that You have NEVER been incorrect when critiquing me? Is it realistic to think that 100% of the time that you try and correct me that I'm wrong?
Pray about it, or harden your heart and continue persecuting your neighbor. Its your choice.
I'll said it one more time, put me on your ignore list.
I don't believe Christ would do that, but if that'll satisfy you go ahead and do it. If you don't like what I say, nobody forced you to read it.
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I think that being ordained is probably like a booster shot of faith - if a man has never had many spiritual experiences, but he believes upon being ordained that now he has the right to have spiritual experiences, then they will come, first and foremost because he suddenly has confidence that they will happen, it's like the spiritual placebo effect. They may have been happening all along, but he is just now starting to notice them/trust them.Stahura wrote: If one day a man has never had a revelation in his life, and the next is ordained as an Apostle, can he immediately prophesy for the entire world of future catastrophes? Can he immediately translate ancient records?
If another man has never had a particularly powerful spiritual experience and is called and ordained as a Bishop, does he automatically receive power to receive revelation about everybody in his ward and prophesy concerning his own ward as a direct result of his ordination?
I do believe in the mantle as well, but that it is dependent upon the Lord having a clean vessel to work through.
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The Call
7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.
The Power (spirit)
6 And I was led by the Spirit, not knowing beforehand the things which I should do.
7 Nevertheless I went forth, and as I came near unto the house of Laban I beheld a man, and he had fallen to the earth before me, for he was drunken with wine.
7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.
The Power (spirit)
6 And I was led by the Spirit, not knowing beforehand the things which I should do.
7 Nevertheless I went forth, and as I came near unto the house of Laban I beheld a man, and he had fallen to the earth before me, for he was drunken with wine.
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https://www.lds.org/ensign/2013/07/whom ... s?lang=eng
Whom the Lord Calls He Qualifies
Most members of the Church will have many opportunities to receive a “calling”—an assignment to serve. “The Lord expects each of us to have a calling in His Church so that others may be blessed by our talents and influence,” said President Ezra Taft Benson (1899–1994).1
Church leaders, who themselves have been called to serve, rely on other members to accept and fulfill the callings they are offered. Each new calling is an opportunity to serve and grow and should be approached humbly and prayerfully. Calls to serve in the Church are given by priesthood leaders after they have sought inspiration from the Lord. “You are called of God,” explained President Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency. “The Lord knows you. He knows whom He would have serve in every position in His Church. He chose you.”2
In our callings we represent the Savior, and the work we do—no matter how small it may seem—has eternal consequences. The influence of a dedicated Primary teacher, for example, could inspire a child to serve a mission one day. Or an usher’s friendly greeting could help a struggling member feel welcome at church.
The Lord will help us in our callings, especially when we feel overwhelmed by the responsibilities. When we pray to Heavenly Father for guidance, He will direct us through inspiration and will bless us to serve well. The Lord helps those who serve Him and will add His power to their efforts (see D&C 84:88). As President Thomas S. Monson promised, “When we are on the Lord’s errand, we are entitled to the Lord’s help. Remember that whom the Lord calls, the Lord qualifies.”3
As we follow the Lord’s example of service and obediently fulfill our callings and Church responsibilities, our lives will be blessed and we can become more like God (see Moroni 7:48; D&C 106:3).
We do not seek callings, nor do we typically decline callings that come through proper priesthood authority (see Moses 6:31–32).
When we are helping do the Lord’s work, we can pray for and receive His help (see D&C 84:88).
Fulfilling our callings brings blessings and joy (see Matthew 25:23).
All callings are equally important; the Church needs nursery leaders as much as Relief Society presidents (see 1 Corinthians 12:14–18). How we serve is more important than where we serve.
For more information, see chapter 14 in Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow (2012).
Give Your Best Effort
“Your power will be multiplied many times by the Lord. All He asks is that you give your best effort and your whole heart. Do it cheerfully and with the prayer of faith. The Father and His Beloved Son will send the Holy Ghost as your companion to guide you. Your efforts will be magnified in the lives of the people you serve.”
President Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency, “Rise to Your Call,” Ensign, Nov. 2002, 76.
Answering Questions
Why does the Church have unpaid clergy?
From the beginning, the Lord has called His disciples from among ordinary people with diverse backgrounds. They served out of love for the Lord and for others. In the Book of Mormon, for instance, the prophet Alma chose priesthood leaders and “commanded them … [to] labor with their own hands for their support. …
“And the priests were not to depend upon the people for their support; but for their labor they were to receive the grace of God” (Mosiah 18:24, 26; see also 2 Nephi 26:29–31; Articles of Faith 1:5).
Likewise in our day, a call to serve gives us the opportunity to help others and to develop and share our talents and spiritual gifts. We are amply repaid for our service by blessings from the Lord.
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rewcox wrote:https://www.lds.org/ensign/2013/07/whom ... s?lang=eng
Whom the Lord Calls He Qualifies
Most members of the Church will have many opportunities to receive a “calling”—an assignment to serve. “The Lord expects each of us to have a calling in His Church so that others may be blessed by our talents and influence,” said President Ezra Taft Benson (1899–1994).1
Church leaders, who themselves have been called to serve, rely on other members to accept and fulfill the callings they are offered. Each new calling is an opportunity to serve and grow and should be approached humbly and prayerfully. Calls to serve in the Church are given by priesthood leaders after they have sought inspiration from the Lord. “You are called of God,” explained President Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency. “The Lord knows you. He knows whom He would have serve in every position in His Church. He chose you.”2
In our callings we represent the Savior, and the work we do—no matter how small it may seem—has eternal consequences. The influence of a dedicated Primary teacher, for example, could inspire a child to serve a mission one day. Or an usher’s friendly greeting could help a struggling member feel welcome at church.
The Lord will help us in our callings, especially when we feel overwhelmed by the responsibilities. When we pray to Heavenly Father for guidance, He will direct us through inspiration and will bless us to serve well. The Lord helps those who serve Him and will add His power to their efforts (see D&C 84:88). As President Thomas S. Monson promised, “When we are on the Lord’s errand, we are entitled to the Lord’s help. Remember that whom the Lord calls, the Lord qualifies.”3
As we follow the Lord’s example of service and obediently fulfill our callings and Church responsibilities, our lives will be blessed and we can become more like God (see Moroni 7:48; D&C 106:3).
We do not seek callings, nor do we typically decline callings that come through proper priesthood authority (see Moses 6:31–32).
When we are helping do the Lord’s work, we can pray for and receive His help (see D&C 84:88).
Fulfilling our callings brings blessings and joy (see Matthew 25:23).
All callings are equally important; the Church needs nursery leaders as much as Relief Society presidents (see 1 Corinthians 12:14–18). How we serve is more important than where we serve.
For more information, see chapter 14 in Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Lorenzo Snow (2012).
Give Your Best Effort
“Your power will be multiplied many times by the Lord. All He asks is that you give your best effort and your whole heart. Do it cheerfully and with the prayer of faith. The Father and His Beloved Son will send the Holy Ghost as your companion to guide you. Your efforts will be magnified in the lives of the people you serve.”
President Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency, “Rise to Your Call,” Ensign, Nov. 2002, 76.
Answering Questions
Why does the Church have unpaid clergy?
From the beginning, the Lord has called His disciples from among ordinary people with diverse backgrounds. They served out of love for the Lord and for others. In the Book of Mormon, for instance, the prophet Alma chose priesthood leaders and “commanded them … [to] labor with their own hands for their support. …
“And the priests were not to depend upon the people for their support; but for their labor they were to receive the grace of God” (Mosiah 18:24, 26; see also 2 Nephi 26:29–31; Articles of Faith 1:5).
Likewise in our day, a call to serve gives us the opportunity to help others and to develop and share our talents and spiritual gifts. We are amply repaid for our service by blessings from the Lord.
Give Your Best Effort
“Your power will be multiplied many times by the Lord. All He asks is that you give your best effort and your whole heart. Do it cheerfully and with the prayer of faith. The Father and His Beloved Son will send the Holy Ghost as your companion to guide you. Your efforts will be magnified in the lives of the people you serve.”
President Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency, “Rise to Your Call,” Ensign, Nov. 2002, 76.
This is what stuck out to me.
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Please accept that this comment is not meant to be directed AT you in any way, but rather is simply a response to WHAT YOU SAID as a general statement. I honestly don't mean to imply I mean any of my comment to necessarily be directed at you.Stahura wrote:I dare you to actually pray about this and consider that maybe not everything I say is crap, and that I have spoken at least one sentence of truth.
We all need to open our hears and listen carefully. Satan will tell us truths. He'll tell us 9 things which are completely true, and then the tenth thing he'll tell us will completely obliterate us and the 9 things we got before. It's how a lot of "miracles" of faith healers or new age types work. It's like a dealer handing out free drugs. You get so you want more, and eventually you find you're enslaved.
