Money is not evil...

[gclayjr]

Darren

Use your debit card, based on Anglo-Saxon Wealth (voting stock).

Anciently It was a ledger entry purchase upon the Commonwealth's Ledger.

A debit Card IS money. As are electronic bank accounts, Gold, cigarettes in prison or whatever. You are not railing against money, you are railing against a capitalist idea that you get credits to your debit card, voting stock (whatever that is) gold or greenbacks, etc, not based upon what you earn, but based upon some more favorable, socialized distribution of wealth.

That is not a rant against money, but a rant for socialism or some other smelly thing that smells just like socialism by some other name. That foolishness has been discussed on other threads.

Regards,

George Clay

[Darren]

Darren

Use your debit card, based on Anglo-Saxon Wealth (voting stock).

Anciently It was a ledger entry purchase upon the Commonwealth's Ledger.

A debit Card IS money. As are electronic bank accounts, Gold, cigarettes in prison or whatever. You are not railing against money, you are railing against a capitalist idea that you get credits to your debit card, voting stock (whatever that is) gold or greenbacks, etc, not based upon what you earn, but based upon some more favorable, socialized distribution of wealth.

That is not a rant against money, but a rant for socialism or some other smelly thing that smells just like socialism by some other name. That foolishness has been discussed on other threads.

Regards,

George Clay

The topic at hand is "Money is not evil..."

Evil comes from the Germanic word Übel which means to step off the path or over the line.

In Lehi's Dream the only path is the straight path aided by an iron rod that leads to the tree. The tree represents looking to Jesus.

In the ancestral Free Enterprise System voting stock is what a person earns on his company's books as he works for the purpose of the company. He stays on the path.

When Jesus came to the lost tribes of Israel he encouraged them to organize in 10s, 50s, 100s and 1,000s for their calling or part for his purpose. That is where we get organizational charters for businesses, and the by-laws to keep that focus on the purpose. Voting stock was awarded to individuals as they focused on the purpose of the company. Voting stock is not a thought upon a material proxy, it is evidence, a book ledger entry of human energy working for the purpose of the company.

Money is a mechanism, the thought of getting the intelligences of mankind to look instead to an arbitrary material object devised by the thoughts of philosopher kings.

A debit card is an electronic medium for the conveyance of digital instructions. If those digital instructions represent the concept of money then we say that your money is on the card. But if those digital instructions represent the concept of a contractional obligation then we may say that no money was exchanged. And better, if the exchange aids in the free commerce of the purposeful focus upon mankind by covenant driven people and institutions then I would say we have voted for the betterment of mankind by the use of that electronic medium.

If you do not really understand what is money, then don't go around calling everything you see used in economic transactions as money.

God Bless,
Darren

[gclayjr]

Darren,

If you do not really understand what is money, then don't go around calling everything you see used in economic transactions as money.

I am pretty thick skinned and don't get too upset when people insult me. However, and insult has more value if you at least take the time to look it up in a dictionary:

Full Definition of MONEY
1
: something generally accepted as a medium of exchange, a measure of value, or a means of payment: as
a : officially coined or stamped metal currency
b : MONEY OF ACCOUNT
c : PAPER MONEY
2
a : wealth reckoned in terms of money
b : an amount of money
c plural : sums of money : FUNDS

Definition of MONEY OF ACCOUNT
: a denominator of value or basis of exchange which is used in keeping accounts and for which there may or may not be an equivalent coin or denomination of paper money

I know you like to write long winded meaningless quotations from scripture, but it doesn't change the fact that a debit card that has some electronic value of MONEY on it whether dollars, euros, oz of gold, cigarettes, knotted ropes, smiley faces or whatever is money.

Now how that card gets loaded, whether accounts based upon income or business transaction or beneficence form on high, it is still money..

beneficence from on high... Wait a minute! isn't that what an EBT card is?

I get it you want everybody to get EBT cards!


REgards,

George Clay

[Darren]

This is a well done history of money:

Read The History of Money, parts 1 and 2
http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... part_1.pdf
http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... part_2.pdf

Modern Money

As we have just rehearsed, most of the things which today we denominate as “money” really aren’t money.

It is obvious that nearly the totality of all of the dollar values dealt with today are dealt with as bank transfers, checks, bills etc., with but a tiny fraction of that total dealt with as “money per se” or “coins.” The point to be observed at this juncture, though, is that these other things which today we call money have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with “money,” as its history has been traced so far in this “History of Money.”

A five dollar bill is a “bill.” It is a Federal Reserve “note.” “Bills and notes” have nothing whatsoever to do with “money,” as its history has been followed to this point. The business doctrines that produced the exchange of paper rather than coins have absolutely nothing to do with the events in history that have produced coinages. In fact these business doctrines can be said to have developed in an opposition to those events.

Dictionaries are the sellers of the product. Linguists are the miners of the product. When you have paid the price to become proficient in working with and translating 12 occidental languages you realize that the dictionary only serves as a starting point to understanding the arbitrary concept of words as a proxy for the images of thought.

Read this perspective on money.

When Cleon Skousen began writing "The Majesty of God's Law" he told Bruce Wydner that "I only know and can study in English, and much of that is propaganda, but you are proficient on all of those many languages..." He had much respect for the services of a linguist.

God Bless,
Darren

[gclayjr]

Darren,

Perhaps you confuse the generic term "Money" with the term "fiat Money". That is the best I can do to try and bring some coherence to your rantings.

OK I scanned your history of money. Nothing controversial there. The fact that money has evolved over time, and that there have been repeated times in history when scheming men have sucked the value out of money is also not controversial.

When you say

Dictionaries are the sellers of the product. Linguists are the miners of the product. When you have paid the price to become proficient in working with and translating 12 occidental languages you realize that the dictionary only serves as a starting point to understanding the arbitrary concept of words as a proxy for the images of thought.

I would think that a man who knows 12 Occidental languages would have more respect for words and their meanings than you do, but who am I.. I barely know 2 occidental languages.

I guess if you want to make up your own meaning for a word, then create your own world around it, then I guess when other people don't agree with the Darren-Money meaning, because they use the generally accepted use of the word money, then don't be surprised if people don't understand what you are saying or interpret it differently. Just remember, it isn't their stupidity or ignorance, it is because you have created your own world.

Now if you mean "fiat money", that is money created by the federal reserve system, which most of the world today uses, then if your point is that this money is worthless stuff that only has value in "Babylon", then I won't argue with you. But then you need to learn proper terminology so that you can communicate coherently.

Regards,

George Clay

[Darren]

But what if "accepted terminology" is propaganda?

If so then we need a true perspective.

In that true perspective, from the basis of true culture (a main reason for the return of the lost ten tribes and their Scriptures, to restore true culture) it is easy to get a handle on what is and is not money.

These two elements, that belief by doubting mankind in the resolution of the few leaders of the group (be that resolution to the biggest lie ever told or not) and the metals of gold and silver, combine to make money.

To understand that Bills and Notes come from the culture that utilized a non-money medium for commerce.

When living in the false paradigm of the "gross darkness" mentioned in Doctrine and Covenants 112:23 it can feel like a strange thing to begin to come into the light.

This is what I and the message in the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel are doing. It is their world I am sharing with you, from their culture. Light for a world living in "gross darkness."

In these books is the information of how Satan has ordered his false paradigm to rule the day.

Read these books carefully. I did, and now this false paradigm is seen for what it is.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

From The History of Money part 1 http://s98822910.onlinehome.us/thousand ... part_1.pdf

The philosophers of Ancient Greece are the inventors of money.

...

It was this dialogue of theirs that has created money.

The Dialogue That Created Money

The dialogue went like this:
1. “What is the source of the Persians’ strength?”
“Their army.”
2. “How do they control their army?”
“They pay them with gold, silver and other coins.”
[At this point in our History of Money, the time has come to correct the record about “the nature of money.” When as a child in school you asked your teacher what money is, the answers which the teacher might have given to help the students, such as, “a medium of exchange,” were probably intended to conjure up in your mind the picture of trade as you knew it, as you had seen your parents shop or as you yourself had shopped in a store. However, though money is used in trade, that is not its principal purpose.

The principal purpose of money is today and always has been WAR.

Money is Evil.

God Bless,
Darren

[David13]

War is an evil, frequently from one side only.
Money is not evil.
It's simple social exchange.
It's what makes people farm, and produce food for the market, for instance, so that we might eat.
It's what enables me to take some of the food from the market or restaurant to eat, and thus live.
Money makes the world go around.
You guys are too cynical.
Maybe you think too much.
Just stop and enjoy life.
Smell the roses as they say.
dc

[Darren]

A rose by any other name is still a rose

By any other name would smell as sweet ...

Money is still the stinking product of Government and Orthodoxy.

As “The History of Money” is read, in the “1,000-page Course,” and as this is referred to, more, in that Course, it seems that a relationship between the “great image,” the “head” of which “was of fine gold,” that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of − wherein his Neo-Babylonian Empire was that head of gold, with the rest of that Image of baser metals, down to the last, which was “iron mixed with miry clay” − and those Empires that succeeded his Neo-Babylonian Empire, was that his Military Dictatorship seems to have been the one that began the Practice of its Economy operating on Coins made from Gold, from Mines in what is now Southwest Turkey.

Nebuchadnezzar’s Neo-Babylonian Empire was followed by that of Persia; theirs, by that of the Ancient Greeks; and theirs, by that of the Romans, which assigned the name of their main Pagan Goddess, Moneta, to the concept of the Coins that the Economy controlled by their Military Dictatorship operated on. “Una moneda” still means, “a coin,” in the Spanish Language; but that word became the word, “money,” in English.

When the Good Ideas of the Free Men of Northwest Europe [To this day when a “boy,” “apprentice,” takes his “Oath,” in the Temple of London, he becomes a “Free Man,” in one of London’s Ancient Guilds, which are the survivors, on their Island, of the Guilds of all of the similar populations, throughout Northern Europe, of the “Ancestral Free Enterprise System” of those Populations, so much of which went by the name of, “the Hanseatic League,” during the Middle Ages, before Wars led by the Military Dictators of Mediterranean Statecraft did away with so much of Northern Europe’s Ancestral Free Enterprise System, except for what remained on the Island of Britain.] began what made the Military Dictators of the Romans’ Empire move almost completely out of Europe, to Byzantium, those Military Dictators, with their Evil Ideas, from Satan, began their “War,” for how those Evil Ideas of theirs − by which they ruled their Empire, wherein about ½ of its population were Slaves − could continue being the “Ruling Ideas,” by which the Population of Europe could continue to be ruled. In Such A Large Part that was able to continue by the continuation of the use of their Babylonian concept of, “Money.”

As is mentioned, very often, in the Course, there had never been any Gold Mines that had ever been found in Western Europe (except, in recent times, some amounts of gold have been found in the Swedish Steel Mines, in northernmost Sweden, in Swedish Lapland.)

In Section 86 of the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord said to the first Members of the Restored Church, who were, mostly, New Englanders, who had come there, to settle, from England, where those first New Englanders were affiliated with the Second Leading Guild of London, of the English Fishing Industry:

D&C 86:8. Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued, through the lineage of your fathers−
9. For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God−
11. Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood, a savior unto my people Israel.”

A Leading Historian, who served as the Church Historian, Leonard Arrington, said, in his Book, “The United Order,” that, “In Salt Lake City the United Order of Tanners and the United Order of Tailors was just a continuation of the English Guild System.”

And it seems that General Authorities who were assigned to the London area have commented on the similarity of the Procedure of the London Guild System to procedures of the Melchizedek Priesthood in the Restored Church.

[Also, at the beginning of the Restoration, the Lord told the Members of the Church, “Your First Responsibility is to seek after your dead.” Doing this, the Church has become the Leading Authority in the World on the Genealogy Records of the Human Race. The person who was in charge of collecting so much of the Records of the Ancient “Townships” – “Communes” of Northern Europe, Archibald F. Bennett, of whom General Authorities said, “He knew more about Genealogy than anybody else who has ever lived,” used to frequently say (as is also available in the Writings of Archibald F. Bennett): “The collection of the Genealogy Records that the Church has, from so much of Northern Europe, PROVE that the Icelandic Sagas and Eddas are true” (from which Sagas and Eddas the information about the “Guth Spjal’ is available).]

So, the Satanic Plans of the Military Dictators of the Romans’ Empire, for letting Rule by Satanic Dictators continue, in the Environment of the Good Ideas of the North Europeans, brought about, “the Dark Ages,” where “the History, the Records” of the Origin of those Good Ideas were destroyed, among Continental Europeans generally, so much so that the only place where they remained “semi-untouched” was in remote Iceland, in the Sagas and the Eddas, which were received from those People’s Forefathers.

...

With no Gold to make Coins out of etc., in Western Europe, it is obvious that the “Economy” of the Free Enterprise-Guild System of the Northwest Europeans, during the First Centuries AD, had to operate on something else. “What was it?”

It is “The Value” of the MANY QUADRILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN “VOTING STOCK” THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD BUY AND SELL ON THE STOCK MARKETS OF THE WORLD, EVERY YEAR! (And, of course, in a rather short period of time that adds up to “Millions of Times” the value of all of the Gold that has ever been mined, in the History of the World!)

The word, “vote” is a Latin word, from the Latin Language of the Romans’ Empire. And, since about ½ of that Empire’s Population were Slaves, that was not a big thing there, at all, in relation to the Military Dictators’ Dictates.

In the Free Enterprise System of the North Europeans, in the First Centuries AD, every Boy wanted to be a “Lerner” (“Learner” in English) in order to be able to Learn the Business “Craft” of the Gild (the word of the Dutch-speaking Hanseatic League, that became spelled, “Guild,” in English) that he felt that his Heavenly Father wanted him to do his Life’s Work in, in order for him to be able to best serve his Heavenly Father’s Children here in this World.

After he “learned” that Business Craft well enough, from his “Lehrer,” (“Teacher,” in English), he would go to his Shire’s Temple and take his “Oath” there, to be of the Best Possible Service that he can be to his Heavenly Father’s Children. Doing that made him a “Free Man” of his Gild (“Guild” in English) which MADE HIM ONE OF THE MAKERS OF “THE GREATEST VALUE” THAT ALL OF MANKIND HAS ACCEPTED TODAY, THE “WEALTH” OF THE WORLD! “And, what is that?”

In the Anglo-Saxon Language of the first Englishmen to come to the Island of Britain, when someone, “heals,” the result is, “heal-th.” If someone “‘steal-s’ through the shadows,” the result is, “steal-th.” And, when someone, “weal-s,” the result is, “weal-th.”

“And, what does the verb, ‘weal,’ mean?” In the Languages of the People who live in the Lands of Northernmost Europe, from where the Free Enterprise System of the First Centuries AD was led, the verb, “weal,” has always meant, “vote.” And, when a Free Man, in his Gild, “vote-d,” “weal-ed,” for what he felt that his Heavenly Father wanted done with the Value of the Property that that Free Man had created, according to his Temple Promise to do that for his Heavenly Father (which his Heavenly Father recognized as the Property, the “Wealth,” in this World, of this Son of His, who was making this Value, this Wealth, according to the Lord’s Law, that he had taken, by his Temple Oath, to be his Law, to live and work by), he was recognized, by all, to be, “the Steward,” over that Property, that Wealth, as would be his descendants, in perpetuity, who also followed this father or forefather of theirs, in following the Lord’s Law, as it had been explained to them in their Shire’s Temple.

So, that Property, that Wealth, that that Free Man had, thus, developed, was his to “weal,” to “vote,” in relation to, as that had the effect that that would have, in relation to What Should Be Done With All Of The Wealth, The Property, The Value, that this “consecrated “ work of theirs, together, had produced.

So, today the “Finances” of Everybody in the World operate on the Many Quadrillions of Dollars of “THE WEALTH,” “the Voting Stock,” that the People of the World buy and sell over the Internet, every year. Just by their doing this the People of the World are acting in the way that shows them accepting this Current Way that all of the Finances of the World operate, today, as being: “the Best, the Most Productive, the Most Ideal Way” … “for all People to Live Together, to Work Together, and to Progress Together,” even though, statistically, hardly anyone in the World has ever heard of where this “Wealth” came from.

“So, what can be done, by those of our Heavenly Father’s Children who do know about this Information, to best help ALL OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS, in our Human Family (all of Mankind), to be able to best ‘CONTINUE’ on this way, that is, to be ‘a light unto’ them?”

The “1,000-page Course” has many details about the totally Satanic Organization that took over Europe’s dealing in the Gold Coin Money of the Romans’ Empire after the Northwest Europeans, in the First Crusade, had taken the control over the World Trade that came through the Mesopotamia, (which had financed the Byzantine Empire’s Wars against Northwest Europe), and, then, in the Fourth Crusade virtually ended that Byzantine Empire.

That Satanic Organization had Genghis Khan’s 700,000-man Cavalry, that had had its attack on Northern Europe defeated by the Invention by Northwest Europeans of Guns, return to China and butcher almost all of the Men of China, about 35,000,000 of them, in order to be able to steal from previously Gold-rich China all of its Gold, which it brought to its “hoodlums,” in Central Europe, to begin their Medieval Initiation of their Present Controls over the Finances of the World, through their “invention” of their concept of “Banks,” for them to do that by.

After Northwest Europeans, (referred to by the name that their Enemies’ Historians came up with for them, of their being, “the Crusaders”), took over control over the World Trade, between the Occident and the Orient, as it came through the Mesopotamia, away from their Centuries-old Persecutor, the Byzantine Empire, (again, with the income from the Control which they had had over that World Trade, those Byzantine Military Dictators had “persecuted” Northern Europeans for so many Centuries), those Northwest Europeans had to learn how to deal, “economically,” with the current Dictators of the Mohammedans’ Baghdad, (from where the Medieval Successor to Ancient Babel’s control over the World Trade between the Orient and the Occident, controlled that Trade as it came through the Mesopotamia). To do that those Western Europeans had to switch over to using the “Arabic” Numerals of those Mohammedans, in their Economic Transactions with them, and to writing with those Mohammedans’ “Phoenician” Alphabet.

However, because of the fact that Workers in the Gilds of the Northwest Europeans’ Free Enterprise System did all of their “Economic Transactions” with “the World” that they had traditionally dealt with, with their “WEALTH,” the “Shares” of the “Voting Stock” of the Gild of each of those Free Men, and because they operated “internally,” among the other Members of their Gild, with the Free Enterprise System’s BONDS, the Free Enterprise System of the Northwest Europeans invented the concepts of “Bills and Notes” to use, in relation to their dealing with each other, in relation to the Metallic Coins that the Mohammedans, on the south and east Shores of the Mediterranean operated by, as did the South Europeans on the north Shore of the Mediterranean.

However, since the Mormons’ 1978 Invention of the Internet has been accepted, today, as the way that the People of the World Operate Together, the effect of that, in the USA, for some years now, is that over 90% of all Financial Transactions are done “electronically,” over the Internet.

That means that less than 10% of Financial Transactions in the USA, today, are done with the “Bills” that are the Federal Reserve “Notes” that are produced by that Satanic Organization, in relation to which President Woodrow Wilson lamented that he “had ruined his Country,” by letting that Organization establish their Federal Reserve, that was owned by its “completely Secret Owners.”

However, that same Satanic Organization, that began all Banks, (all including, most of all, all Central Banks, like the USA’s Federal Reserve), with the Gold from its Murder of virtually all of the men of previously Gold-rich China (which Murder, of those 35,000,000, mostly Men, is identified in “Guinness Book of Records” as being, “The Second Biggest Human-caused Slaughter in History”), has now come upon, “A Different Kind Of A Thing:

1. Today, more than 90% of all Financial Transactions, in the USA, takes place over the Mormon’s 1978 “Invention of the Internet.”

2. Today, less that 10% of all Financial Transactions take place through the Medium of the “Bills and Notes” that the Medieval Free Enterprise System initiated, in order to be able to deal with the Huge Amounts of those Metallic Gold Coins, for which that Satanic Organization had butchered all of those 35,000,000, mostly Men, of China, in order to FORCE the Ancestral Free Enterprise System of the Northwest Europeans to do what had to be done in order for them to be able to continue, in the Control of the World Trade that they had taken over the European Administration of – through their Victories in the Crusades – in the way that that control had operated since the Babylonian Empire.

3. And, then, to the Very Different Kind of a Thing:
Perhaps, today, less than 1/1,000th of the Value of Financial Transactions, in the USA, today, takes place through that Custom, established by Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon, of doing Trade through “Metallic Coins.”

All of those “Empires,” from Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon, down through the Persians, the Greeks, the Romans, and the Medieval Military Dictatorships that were set up, so much, by that Satanic Organization’s invention of Banks (which word came from the Arabic pronunciation of Baghdad, which was “bankah – thath”) have operated on Ancient Babel, Babylon’s “invention” of Gold Coin MONEY.

A question that could be asked by that Satanic Organization could be: “It says in Daniel 2:44, that: “And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, (which the Mormons say is their Church), which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms. And it shall stand forever.”

...

Concerning that Satanic Organization that has been the Enslaver of so many of those European etc. Military Dictatorships, that had to obey that Satanic Organization in order to have, first, Gold Coin Money, then, Coins of other Metals, then, Fiat Money, from that Satanic Organization, it will be found that that Satanic Organization is “broken in pieces” by the Nephite Prophets telling all of the People of the World how the Complete Human Language Technology, that produces the 100%-effective Translations etc., of the Worldwide Interlingual Telecommunications Utility, works, which is THE EXPLANATION OF HOW IT IS THAT THE MINDS OF ALL HUMANS CAN WORK RIGHT. That means that the ending of the acceptance, by the People of the World, of that “Position” that was ”THE BASIS” of Ancient Greek Statecraft, is the end of that “Basis Position” of Ancient Greek Statecraft, and is also the end of that Satanic Organization that had been based on that.

“So, then, what is going to happen to all of the World without that Satanic Organization’s Fiat Money being around any more, as it has been working with and producing that for the Military Dictatorships of Europe etc. since the beginning of the Byzantine Empire?”

The Lord said, in the 90th Section of the D&C, Verse 11; and this was “the Theme” of “the BYU Machine Translation Project of the 1970’s,” that the Translators doing the Translation Work for the Worldwide Interlingual Telecommunications Utility, “will be ordained unto this power, by the administration of the Comforter, shed forth upon them for the revelation of Jesus Christ.” If Church Members can also be found with the Abilities to help the People of the World to be able to, (we might say), “transition,” (we might say), “electronically,” over to so many of them beginning to work with the Quadrillions of Dollars of WEALTH, that is annually bought and sold on, “the Gift To The World,” from the, present-day LDS People, of “the Internet,” those Church Members will then be, what we may feel, very well “continuing in the Lord’s goodness,” as, their “fathers” did, when their fathers continued in the Lord’s goodness, through the Ages, enough to make available for the World’s Use, their Ancient, Ancestral North European Free Enterprise System, and its “Gift To The World” of, “WEALTH.”

Wealth, as the medium of exchange brings us to Zion, and saves our constitution.

Money does not pass the sniff test.

God Bless,
Darren

[gclayjr]

David13,

Darrin has copied many on the left (I don't know if HE is on the left) by changing the meaning of words to fit his own need to propagandize. He isn't even subtle about it.

But what if "accepted terminology" is propaganda?

If so then we need a true perspective.

It gives him the opportunity to rant and demonize others without the need to be coherent.

If you want to truly communicate, you carefully use words in ways that insure that you are are clearly understood so that you can intelligently exchange ideas. If you want to demonize people just change the meaning of words, then you can put those changed words into their mouth so as to make your point and insult people implying that they are saying something they are not

Regards,

George Clay

[Darren]

Is it really too much to get you to question your faith in the order of thinking promoted by Socrates, the purpose of library science, and your perspective from your limited English Dictionary?

The presented material was prepared by utilizing more than 10 dictionaries from different languages.

And do you think that all of those dictionaries agree with each other? Hardly. When they agree that is a clue that there is a solid basis for their determinations, but when they differ, and they do, you have to be ready to dig a little deeper.

The Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel call into question the narrative of a people laboring under the "gross darkness" propaganda of Babylon.

The approach used to put together these materials is obviously too liberal to aid people steeped in deductive methodologies.

Without the inductive approach, wide open, to find commonalities throughout languages, histories and cultures, what you end up with is distilled propaganda.

Did you read the books? They are less than perfect by many people's opinions, but the narrative and assertions are absolutely true (deductive vs the inductive perspective).

The History of Money can and will stand on its own if necessary as the definitive authority on that word, distilled by digging much deeper than Webster or the committees at Oxford would care to dig.

But believe by institutionalized ignorance and the missteps of dictionary companies if you must. The History of Money, as well as the other books of the 1,000 Page Course represent the LDS innovative spirit that world leaders have said is, "unconventional," "ignoring the fashion of the day," "disregarding authoritative opinion," but gets us out past the towers of Babylon.

Money = Babylon

God Bless You,
Darren

[sushi_chef]

"The principal purpose of money is today and always has been WAR."

thats kind of amazing expression!!

some say sushi_s countrys economic recovery after world war 2 was through korean war, and neighbor country koreas economic growth was through vietnam war....

seems "gain" concept, that is inherently in the money system, originally came through cain.... (""origin of surplus/interest/gain sushi_chef » Fri Oct 10, 2014"") viewtopic.php?f=14&t=36098&p=537929" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"27 And now behold, I say unto you, that the foundation of the destruction of this people is beginning to be laid by the unrighteousness of your lawyers and your judges.

32 Now the object of these lawyers was to get gain; and they got gain according to their employ."
(alma 10)

then prophet mormon(or alma) introduced "Nephite coinage system" in the beginning of next chapter 11.

so, perhaps money/coinage system is the tool under the enticing spirit of cain, perdition, in a sense....enables to instill the gain concept so as to make people like him, gaining through murder....

...................... :-B

[Darren]

"The principal purpose of money is today and always has been WAR."

thats kind of amazing expression!!

some say sushi_s countrys economic recovery after world war 2 was through korean war, and neighbor country koreas economic growth was through vietnam war....

seems "gain" concept, that is inherently in the money system, originally came through cain.... (""origin of surplus/interest/gain sushi_chef » Fri Oct 10, 2014"") viewtopic.php?f=14&t=36098&p=537929" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"27 And now behold, I say unto you, that the foundation of the destruction of this people is beginning to be laid by the unrighteousness of your lawyers and your judges.

32 Now the object of these lawyers was to get gain; and they got gain according to their employ."
(alma 10)

then prophet mormon(or alma) introduced "Nephite coinage system" in the beginning of next chapter 11.

so, perhaps money/coinage system is the tool under the enticing spirit of cain, perdition, in a sense....enables to instill the gain concept so as to make people like him, gaining through murder....

...................... :-B

Great Job! Inductive thinking.

When Noah got off of the boat he watched as his family fanned out from the Home Valley that he came down into. The lost tribes of Israel call Noah Home-dale because of that.

As Noah's posterity fanned out, then came back through that Home Valley to trade with each other, many of Noah's family decided to apostatize from the true order, they behaved wickedly, they set up many wicked diversions for those traders at the crossroads of that growing trade. These clever apostates built a tower and said that that tower was the tower of god, a bab means tower and el means god so babel means tower of god, the Greeks would add the -on- ending to get the word for that place, Babel-on, Babylon. In Babylon was a top-down run control system based on the same lie that Satan used in the pre-earth life. That lie is that by putting thinking as the starting point you would second guess your inherent seeking by your intelligence being, and instead fall for the lie of following the Big Smarty Pants from the University at the base of that tower of Babylon. Money being a deductive system begun by those clowns at that crossroads.

Noah and Shem had to flee from these apostates, and their deductive methodologies, to draw mankind to the true order. They moved to the western edge of the Home Valley, and found a nice place on an elevated hill with a natural spring upon it. That place was called Salem, or as the lost tribes of Israel would say, Salem means the place of the Sale. The Nordic concepts of to buy and to sell come from the activity that took place in Salem.

Noah instructed Shem to build an altar, a place for the Sale of the Lord to be consummated. To be a part of the true order you would need to go to that altar and make a transaction. On your side of that bargaining table of sorts you have only one possession that is inherently yours from all eternity to bargain with. That one possession is your will, your energy, that we call The Intelligence. On the other side of that bargaining table stands the Lord, and he has the thing you shouted for joy for, the moment you knew it could be gained. Eternal Life.

To the lost tribes of Israel the concepts of buying and selling are part of that covenant made at that altar in Salem. And that tradition was central to their culture, as they went to their temples to take their oaths, and base the exchange of the energy of mankind upon those oaths. Their culture was money free until at least 800 A.D. and in many ways their non-money culture endures as The Free Enterprise System and Law Culture of today.

There is no money as part of the lost tribes of Israel Culture, and there will be no money in Zion.

Money is the Evil of Babylon's Culture.

God Bless,
Darren

[David13]

Wealth is social value.
Social value is represented by money, as a convenient form of exchange.
It is easy to say a lot, yet mean nothing.
dc

[Darren]

When we were children our parents would ask us, "What do yo want to be when you grow up?" This would cause us to reflect upon what we liked most. As we allowed these thoughts to occupy our minds, it eventually became apparent that we wanted to apply ourselves to some sort of craft in life. Some would seek to be builders, firemen, grocers or merchants. Craft is the result of our energy choosing a path.

Money is a corruption to choosing a path. Money is a medium of financial control, financial controls are a system of external Control and put our purpose on a course other than as directed by the will. Money is a parasite to the natural development of the craft. To choose an occupation on the basis of the amount of financial compensation available is very dangerous, it is like putting the cart before the horse.

God Bless,
Darren

[Darren]

Money is the Culture of Evil


The True Culture For Mankind Eliminates The False Ones, by Bruce Wydner

The Ancient World’s principal Trade Route was from the Indian Ocean, through the Mesopotamian Valley, then through a smaller valley, of the Orontes River, to the Mediterranean Sea. Ancient Babylonia, of course, was a dominating control over this principal Trade Route.

At the time of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, which Christian Scriptures condemn as, “Babylon,” the procedures of operating the “Economy” of that part of the World began a concentration on Coins that centered on the production of large amounts of Gold Coins, by the area, in western Asia Minor, named, Lydia, where vast amounts of Gold Ore had been discovered.

So, the “Culture” of Babylon and of its successors, the Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, the Roman Empire, and then of the Roman-Empire-influenced Countries of Europe (that were there in Europe when the Roman Empire ended or developed subsequently) was the Culture of an Economy based on Gold Coin Money, and “Change” for that in Coins made of metals of less value.

However, the BASIS of that European CULTURE, of an Economy based on Gold Coin Money, was a lack of understanding about how Humans should interact with each other based upon their understanding of what Human Languages are. The name, “Babylon,” is the Greek way of saying, “Babel.” And, of course, the Problem of Babel, in relation to Human Languages, was “the Confusion of Tongues.”

This deficiency of an understanding, of what Human Languages are, resulted in those heirs of Babel/Babylon needing to deal with their Languages through the human sense of Sound, through their developments of their Alphabets for their Languages.

The True Culture For Mankind was taught by the Resurrected God of Israel to the Israelites who were living in the American Hemisphere, and, then, to the Israelites who were living in Northern Europe.

This True Culture For Mankind produced a High Civilization, for a while, among the American Hemisphere Israelites, for as long as they adhered to this True Culture for Mankind.

This True Culture For Mankind has been tried to be adhered to by the Israelites of Northern Europe; and it has endured as what Mankind refers to by the word of the Northern Europeans for their Culture, which is the word, “free,” in the World’s name for that Culture, which is: “the Free Enterprise System.”

The “clash” between the Roman Empire and this True Culture For Mankind was from the Roman practice of paying for Professional Soldiers, as its Army (with its Coins of Gold etc., of its Gold Coin Money Economy), which served as its, “Police Force,” while no others but the Empire’s paid Soldiers were permitted to keep and bear Arms.

The word, “Gospel,” is the Northern Europeans’ word for the “God Story” of the visit to them by their Resurrected God. He required all able-bodied “Young Men,” between the ages of 18 and 45, to keep and bears arms and to be trained in their use, in order to protect women and children. This organization of the Young Men of the Northern Europeans remained, as the word, “Yeomanry,” for the obligation that is still placed upon such young men in the Constitutions of the States of the USA.

Because of this obligation upon all Young Men, among the Northern Europeans, the “Two Greatest Inventions in Military History” were invented by them. The First of these Inventions, of the Stirruped Saddle, which produced Knighthood and the Cavalries of Knighthood for Northern Europeans, ended the Western European Roman Empire, when a deception, that it tried, failed. That Deception was that its Culture of its Gold Coin Money Economy included what the Northern Europeans called their, “LAW of the GOSPEL” Religion.

That Deception resulted in so many of the “Tribes” of the Northern Europeans being unprepared for the Romans and for the large Cavalries of the Romans’ Gold-Coins-paid-for hirelings, of the Huns, from China, Mongolia etc., as they descended upon and murdered so many of those Northern Europeans. When numbers of these Northern Europeans’ Tribes fled from the Cavalries of the Huns, in part led by Roman Generals, into Western Europe, they were very much outnumbered by the resident populations there, in some places by, an estimated, one hundred to one.

The Anglo-Saxon Tribe named, “the Jutes,” who invented the Stirruped Saddle and Knighthood, escaped from the Surprise Attack upon them by the Huns’ Cavalries, in part under Roman generalship. When they fled into Western Europe, however, a large change happened in the History of the Culture of the Romans. The Romans’ name for the “Law of the Gospel” Religion for all of these fleeing Tribes of these Northern Europeans was, “Christianity.” As might be expected, such highly moral Refugees tried not to disturb the previous populations of the lands into which they fled. However, since it was immediately discovered that Gold-Coin-paid-for Infantries of Foot Soldiers are not able to effectively oppose Cavalries of Armored Knights, changes occurred so that there was no more Roman Army in all of Western Europe. Since that Army had been the hired Police Force there, which had been the “Force” involved in the administration of its Gold Coin Money Economy, a “change-over” was put in place.

The Change-over: When it first seemed that the Romans’ Army would not be able to effectively oppose the Northern Europeans’ Yeomanries, particularly the Jutes’ Knighthood Cavalries, the Romans’ Emperors took steps to be able to exercise as great a control as they could over their former Empire. The First Step was for the Romans’ Emperors to start having it stamped onto the Coins that they had minted, under the image of the face of an Emperor, that he was the God of the Romans.

The Second Step was the instruction that the Civil Employees of the Roman Empire, who attended to the details of the Administration of the Empire’s Gold Coin Money Economy, needed to live in Castles, where there could be some enforcement of a continuation of the previous Rules for the Administration of their Gold Coin Money Economy. The Personnel who did this, male and female, were told that they were going to need to follow Plato’s Ancient Advice to Greeks wishing to continue the Administration of a Gold Coin Money Economy, in difficult times, of renouncing all marriage and family relationships. That Ancient Greek Advice specified that such Administrators could have all of the illicit sexual relationships among themselves that they wanted to, but that such needed to be done in secrecy from the public knowing of it.

The Third Step was that, in the Eastern, Greek-speaking part of the Roman Empire, where they continued to operate under the MILITARY COMMANDS of the Emperor of the Romans, who was acknowledged as the God of those who participated in his Gold Coin Money Economy, their Gold Coin Money “Economy” = “Religion” was identified by the Greek name for the “Correct Hunches” that their God, the Emperor, got from the “Brainless, Bodyless Fool of an Ancient, Primitive, Pagan Greek theos, that makes the Sky SPIN around the land ONE time every day and night in a ONE-SPIN,” since those Correct Hunches were what produced those MILITARY COMMANDS. That Greek name for those “Correct Hunches” was, “Ortho-doxy.”

However, in the Western, Latin-speaking remainder of the Roman Empire, administered from the Castles there of those unmarried male and female Civil Employees, there were no more such “Military Commands” from their God, their Emperor, anymore, since there was no more Roman Military Organization there, anymore. The Emperor was still their God of their Gold Coin Money Economy, though, and by the Ancient, Primitive, Pagan Greek Statecraft, that the Roman Empire had always operated by, their Emperor was the ONLY Connection, the “ONE-SPIN-IC” Connection, to the Brainless, Bodyless Fool of an Ancient, Primitive, Pagan Greek theos that makes the Sky SPIN around the land ONE time every day and night in a ONE-SPIN. Therefore, they resolved that their “organization,” their “Assembly,” of their Male and Female Civil Employees, that continued Administering the Roman Gold Coin Money Economy of Western Europe, from their Castles, would be called their “ROMAN ONE-SPIN-IC ASSEMBLY.” Since their God, their Roman Emperor, in Constantinople, had asserted that the “Christianity” of the Northern European Refugees (who had fled into Western Europe to escape from the Huns and Roman Generals etc.) was only a part of their ROMAN ONE-SPIN-IC ASSEMBLY, that “circumstance” was acknowledged by them. And, of course, the expression for their, “ROMAN ONE-SPIN-IC ASSEMBLY,” using Ancient Greek Vocabulary, was their, “ROMAN CATHOL-IC ECCLESIA.”

The North European Refugees who had fled to Western Europe were, as mentioned, in some places, greatly outnumbered by the Populations of the previous residents of those areas. However, their Yeomanries became the only Military Organizations in those areas. Not understanding the Languages of those previous Populations, they tried to “mind their own business”; but the circumstances that they were in still, often, meant that they were needed to provide a military protection to the people of the area where they had become located. And, as mentioned, from their Castles the unmarried male and female Civil Employees kept administering, principally in their Latin Language, the Gold Coin Money Economy of their God, their Emperor, whose image was engraven on their Coins, only, thereafter, instead of identifying their Administrative “Assembly” as, the Administration of “the Roman Empire,” they, then, began calling their “Assembly,” “the Roman Cathol-ic Ecclesia.”


Not in Ancient, Medieval, nor in Early Modern Times had any Gold Ore ever been found in Western Europe.


The Free Enterprise System of the Northern European People had an Administrative Headquarters on the Island in the Baltic Sea that is named, Gotland. The Free Enterprise System was the implementation of the LAW of the Northern European People in relation to The True Culture for Mankind.
The names, in English, for the operations of that Organization, were “Hansa,” “Hanse,” or “Hanseatic League.” In addition to their Principal Headquarters, on the Island of Gotland, they also had Four Large Secondary Headquarters. The one for the East was in Novgorod, Russia. The one that was furthest to the West was centered at the Ancient Anglo-Saxon Commonwealth of London.

The way that the Free Enterprise System of the True Culture for Mankind, called, “the Law” Culture of the Northern Europeans, their “Law of the Gospel,” operated, was never by Gold Coin Money. It always operated by what, in the Anglo-Saxon Language was identified as, “Wealth.” In that Language, to “heal” produces “heal-th” and to “weal” produces “weal-th.” The word, “weal,” in the Anglo-Saxon Language, meant, ”vote.” (That word still means, “vote,” in most of the Languages of Northern Europe.) This concept is at the heart of the True Culture for Mankind, as it never was a part of the culture of the Dictators of the Greek and Roman Empires who identified themselves as the “gods” of those Empires. In the Free Enterprise System of the Northern Europeans’ Workers, they were paid for their Work by the issue to them of the Total Ownership of what they produced. Those certificates of Total Ownership are the “Common Stock” or “Voting” Stock, that is exchanged on the Stock Markets of the World.

In the year 1997 the people of the World bought, every day, on the US Invention of the Internet, $15 Trillion worth of that essence of the Culture of the Free Enterprise System. A comparison might be in place.

It is felt that, in the History of the World, there has been a total of 145,000 Tons of Gold that has ever been mined. One Ton = 32,150.72 Troy Ounces. The result of that is that there has been 4,661,854,400 Troy Ounces of Gold that has been mined. At the present “enormous” price for a Troy Ounce of Gold, of $795.95 (rounded off to $800), that would be that $800 X 4,661,854,400 = $3,729,483,520,000.00 worth of Gold or (rounded off) about $3 Trillion 730 Billion worth that has been mined in the History of the World. The Comparison is that about FOUR TIMES THE VALUE OF ALL OF THE GOLD THAT HAS EVER BEEN MINED, IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, WAS EXCHANGED EVERY DAY, ON THE US INVENTION OF THE INTERNET, TEN YEARS AGO, IN 1997, IN THE VALUE OF THE “WEALTH,” THE “VOTING STOCK,” OF THE ANGLO-SAXONS’ FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM.

It is obvious to see why the People of the World use the Wealth of the Free Enterprise System of the Anglo-Saxons and of their fellow Northern Europeans in the place of the Gold Coin Money of the Dictator “gods” of the Greek and Roman Empires.

A side comment might have been thought up of, “A reason for the Northern Europeans operating as they did could have had something to do with the fact that there was never any Gold Ore that was ever discovered in their Lands.” The relevance of that side comment is only that of a side comment. The World today has chosen to operate on that essence of the Free Enterprise System of the Northern Europeans.

An additional point, that is so relevant today, is that, it is said that, “Over 90% of all Financial Transactions today take place over this American Invention of the Internet (by Credit and Debit Card purchases, etc. etc. etc.).” That had made it so that the exchange of Coins is, today, miniscule. Even those concepts that the Medieval Free Enterprise System devised for utilizing, in a more “businesslike” way, the Coins of the Mediterranean Culture ― of Bills and Notes ― has been reduced to being less than 10% of all Financial Transactions today.

So, “The True Culture For Mankind Eliminates The False Ones.” An obvious inquiry is about how this Elimination of False Cultures occurred.
As was mentioned, The True Culture For Mankind was established by the Resurrected God of Israel among both the Israelites living in the American Hemisphere and among the Israelites living in Northern Europe.

The Clash between the Northern Europeans and the Roman Emperors was produced, in part, by the fact that the Mediterranean Empires that were the successors of the Babylonian Empire had, as was mentioned, a “deficiency of an understanding of what Human Languages are.” Moreover, “the BASIS of that European CULTURE, of an Economy based on Gold Coin Money, was a lack of understanding about how Humans should interact with each other based upon their understanding of what Human Languages are.”

To certain of the Israelite descendants of the Hanseatic Commonwealth of London’s Fishermen’s Guild, whose “fathers” had settled New England, the Lord gave these Instructions in the 86th Section of the Doctrine and Covenants:
8. Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers―
9. For ye are lawful heirs of the priesthood, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God―
11. Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood a savior unto my people, Israel.

Through those to whom these instructions were given, the Book of Mormon ― the Record that included information on that extremely “High Civilization” that developed from the establishment of The True Culture For Mankind (among the Israelites who lived in the American Hemisphere) by the Resurrected Lord ― was introduced to the Modern Populations of the World. A Feature of The True Culture For Mankind that was established among the Israelites who lived in the American Hemisphere was the fact that they operated with each other upon THE TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HUMAN LANGUAGES ARE. Humbly proceeding with that Sacred Information, certain current Returned LDS Missionaries, from Bi-lingual Missions, during the late 1970’s, put that True Understanding Of What Human Languages Are into the form of the Computer Software that created the Internet, as it is employed by so much of the entire Human Family today.

In relation to the development of the True “Human Language Technology” of the Languages of the World, today, that has already let the World have the Wondrous Benefits of the current Internet, and so much more that is nearly available at this time, a certain circumstance takes precedence. The Population of the Human Race, today, has an example that was set for them by a fellow modern member of the Human Family. That Example is that of the Man whom Our Heavenly Father entrusted with the responsibility of preparing for Modern Mankind that Glorious Gift that Heavenly Father has given to us of the Book of Mormon. That example is that of a modern man, such as one of us, today, who ― operating in just exactly the opposite direction of the Ancient Dictators of Ancient Empires ― set for us a current example of another human so very sincerely trying to obey Our Lord’s instruction to each and every one of us to, at all times, try to be the effective SERVANTS of all of our Brothers and Sisters of the Human Family, as the Lord set that Example for all of us, so that, now, in these current times, there has been an example that was set for us by a sincere attempt that was successfully accomplished by a person whom, by so many, might have been thought of as being, “just one of us.”