Nobody Died At Sandy Hook with Jim Fetzer

[JohnnyL]

IIRC, it's likely he never existed.

[nvr]

After living in CT for 4 yrs and seeing the attitudes of some of the police there I have no doubt they would be willing to conspire along with something like this for ultimate 'higher' purposes (police there were very anti-gun). I think it can be shown from multiple fronts that Sandy Hook was a total staged propaganda event.
With that, Jim has a habit of commenting on real conspiracies and later muddying the waters with way-out / implausible speculations at critical points once he has gained enough followers. This was the case with 9/11 and his support for 'space beams'... he was on track towards truth but then changed his tune to a very oddball direction that started to discredit the movement. Dr. Jones was witness and could give a better background on it. Not sure if he purposely puts out dis-info or simply lacks discernment. I wonder what kind of off-tangent angle Jim is going to try to put on this.

[SmallFarm]

My angle on it. What if it really happened AND it was staged?

[lundbaek]

I believe it really happened, it was a false flag event, and children were killed.

[lurker]

There were several families in our ward with kids at Sandy Hook Elementary on that day. I hometaught two of those families at that time, including the Parkers. Emilie Parker died that day, and her family went through a very long and challenging coping experience that most of you cannot even begin to comprehend.

Yes, Robbie's conversation to a camera shortly after his daughter was murdered was slightly awkward. Your conversation would have been too if you were fighting back huge waves of emotion in order to try a deliver a message of comfort to others as Robbie felt he had been inspired to do. But also realize, while there was lots of grief for a long time after most people moved on, the Parkers are not required to wallow forever in despair because their daughter was taken from them. In fact, they did engage in normal conversations and even found reasons to smile after the incident (heaven forbid!).

Also:

- Just because most funerals were closed casket doesn't mean that the kids weren't buried. Many of the kids' bodies were prepared by a well-known local mortician who also did the funeral for the missionary that died from this ward a few years ago.

- Yes, the politicians didn't let this tragedy go to waste. They even recruited some of the families to be spokesmen for their causes (but realize that these particular families previously aligned with these causes before the incident).

- My father-in-law has been a paramedic in the area for many, many years. He knew many of the first responders personally who were there (he wasn't on duty). Many of them required counseling for some time based upon what they saw (these are the same guys that will talk to you casually about mopping body parts off the interstate after a serious accident--they are very accustomed to things that would traumatize many).


Yes, Mr. Lanza was on powerful psychotropic drugs (similar to those of other mass shooters). It is possible that this was a false flag event, but do realize that the impact and after effects were very real.

[JohnnyL]

SH never happened. Go to those news websites and youtube videos that deal in these things and take a look at the evidence. Look at the past threads here about SH.

Do I agree with everything? No. But I do agree that like, of 80 things pointed out, 20 are extremely valid, which is more than plenty to point to false flag.

Here's one where it's really good: viewtopic.php?f=1&p=351334&sid=5d5cc251 ... b5#p351334" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An event like this kills many birds with one stone, just like 9/11 and the others.

I have seen a few real deaths on the internet of people I knew/ know existed. The comments, the links between the people, the histories, the timing, the photos, the families, etc., all line up and make sense. (Not the news reports, not the photoshopped photos (that even mom admits later were photoshopped, but only because it's too hard to get a good photo), etc.) Do the same search on patsies and see if that happens. It doesn't.

[nvr]

Did any of the parents of the victims ever identify their children in person? There's no way I would accept anything told me until I saw my child for myself. Also, why did they demo the school? Probably because the evidence would not support the police reports? Can those acquaintances of the Parker family show pictures, or class roles or any photo evidence of the existence of Emily? That would put to rest the issue that she didn't exist. If she did exist, it is likely she and the others were probably never killed, only abducted. Given the history of false flags this gov't has been involved in, and reports of human trafficking via dark elements of government that persist, this is why I would have demanded to see my child, no matter their condition.

[shadow]

so is the conspiracy that nobody died or is it that it didn't go down as reported, but that the victims existed and were killed?

[nvr]

There's conspiracies for both situations. I think the children probably did exist. While the corrupt elements of government are capable of horrendous things, I don't think they would have gotten participation from people if they actually let children be killed or sent a mercenary in to dispatch them.

I think a likely scenario is there was no violence, and that the children were abducted and trafficked someplace else.

The scenario where no kids existed at all, would, of course, have required the parents' participation. This is plausible, but would have required creation of false identities from other children / older siblings and then having everyone sticking to a narrative. This seems messier to manage but would be possible if you have very dedicated (well-paid) participants.

[JohnnyL]

so is the conspiracy that nobody died or is it that it didn't go down as reported, but that the victims existed and were killed?

Either way (but to me that's not the point). There's evidence for both, but more so that no children did die.

It's like soon after 9/11. As most everyone asked, "If it didn't happen that way (the official story), then how did it happen??!!!!" It seemed that everyone believed that you had to already have the entire truth in order to say that something was not true, but every lover of truth knows that's just not the case.


Truth is often a multiple-step process.

In general, the critical question to me about an event is: Is it (the official story) true, based on evidence and analysis? And here with SH, the answer is: no.

Then: for what purpose? (Because the purpose will usually rear its ugly head soon, and the news will show everyone "the connection".)

Then: to what degree?

Then: how? In general: not sure. Not sure we'll ever know on most of these things, especially in every detail. If there's enough time and effort and brains and knowledge and pursuit, over time more will be found out.

Sometimes all we need is one thing that tells us an official story is not true. However, generally, the more, the better.

It's usually enough to know that the official story is not true, and to a degree that evidences more than "bad reporting" or "innocent mess-up". If there's more, great.

During the process of searching for truth, there will of course be lots of hypotheses, checking, countering, discussion, etc. Some things will be false, some will be true, some will be undecided.

[Army Of Truth]

I think that the majority of evidence points to facts that nobody died at Sandy Hook. FBI's own website shows that no murders occurred in Newtown, Connecticut, in 2012.

Here's the FBI website that you can see for yourself:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... y_2012.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In contrast, the state of Colorado shows the town of Aurora that shows 29 murders occurred in the town of Aurora that year, which includes the victims from the Dark Knight theater shooting incident.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/c ... y_2012.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Regarding the money, let's follow the money trail.

First of all, the construction industry got a boost, with the $50 million in Connecticut state funds allocated for the destruction of Sandy Hook School and to rebuild a new school on the premises. And this from a state with a projected budget deficit of $1.1 billion for the coming year.

The Sandy Hook School Support Fund has raised approximately $12 million and distributed it to the Newtown-Sandy Hook Community Foundation, overseen by Ken Feinberg, “a victim compensation master with a national reputation,” according to United Way Western Connecticut. And the Support Fund posted its condolences on 11 December 2013, which was three days before the actual event.

Premature announcements
The estimated payout was $281,000 paid to each of the victims’ families, who have raised additional funds from their own websites—some of which were apparently advertised on the web in advance of the shooting. At present, all of the victims, both children and adults, have memorial funds that are currently collecting money.

“Sandy Hook Promise,” which actively solicits money for family members and others “impacted by this tragedy,” as well as for lobbying for “mental wellness and gun safety,” currently boasts over 300,000 people who have made the “Sandy Hook Promise” to turn the “tragedy into a moment of transformation.”

The federal government has also forked over a lot of taxpayer money, including a $150,000 federal grant to Newtown to pay for two “school resource officers” (aka police), and $2.5 million in federal funds to compensate the local entities for their trouble: $663,444 to the Connecticut State Police, $602,293 to the town of Newtown, $882,812 to the town of Monroe and $296,838 to other partner agencies.

In addition, the Department of Education has awarded a total of $3.2 million to the Newtown Public School District under the Project SERV (School Emergency Response to Violence) to help with ongoing recovery efforts following the shooting. See these reports: US Department of Education awards 1.3 million grant; US Department of Education awards 1.9 million grant. This hush money is sure to keep the lid on things for now.

[Serragon]

Yup, book burning days are back! Unbelievable! X( X( X(

I don't agree with Amazon's policy, but this is a far cry from a book burning. Amazon is a company and chose not to sell a book. That is all.

They are not attempting to get rid of all copies of the book or destroy it. They just don't feel comfortable selling it.

[Army Of Truth]

Yup, book burning days are back! Unbelievable! X( X( X(

I don't agree with Amazon's policy, but this is a far cry from a book burning. Amazon is a company and chose not to sell a book. That is all.

They are not attempting to get rid of all copies of the book or destroy it. They just don't feel comfortable selling it.

Actually Amazon already approved the book to be sold and sold it for about a month or so. That's how we see the five star reviews from the buyers. However, it was suddenly pulled for no apparent reason other than "violation of policy" yada yada yada. It's apparent that someone from above pulled it for political reasons which is equivalent to "book burning". It doesn't make sense to pull it if it is false with no evidence. However, if it is true, it would definitely damage our current administration and therefore would make sense why it was banned by TPTB. B-)

[sandman45]

Yup, book burning days are back! Unbelievable! X( X( X(

Book deleting.. lol