Nothing more, nothing less, Christ's Doctrine

[Finrock]

I thought you said the doctrine of Christ was 5 verses. You keep adding to it.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

Hi rewcox! Hope you are well.

It might be helpful to recognize that the phrase "the doctrine of Christ" is mostly describing a category of doctrine, called Christ. Of course Jesus Christ is the source of all true doctrine and teaches the doctrine, but "the doctrine of Christ" is a very specific doctrine. I believe that it is significant that the scriptures do not state "the doctrine of Jesus Christ" but rather it is always identified as the "doctrine of Christ". Christ is a title, not a proper name. It is like stating the phrase the doctrine of exaltation, or doctrine of repentence, etc. In this instance we aren't talking about the all the doctrine that is taught by "Exaltation" or the doctrine which comes from "Exaltation" but rather this phrase identifies the category of doctrine regarding exaltation, or repentence, etc.

Elder Christofersson says this about the subject matter:

In these revelations we find what might be termed the core doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ reestablished upon the earth. Jesus Himself defined that doctrine in these words recorded in the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ:

“This is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

“And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.

“And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

“… And whoso believeth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost. …

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them” (3 Nephi 11:32–35, 39).

This is our message, the rock upon which we build, the foundation of everything else in the Church. Like all that comes from God, this doctrine is pure, it is clear, it is easy to understand—even for a child. With glad hearts, we invite all to receive it (Emphasis is mine).

-Finrock

[Zathura]

I thought you said the doctrine of Christ was 5 verses. You keep adding to it.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

Hi rewcox! Hope you are well.

It might be helpful to recognize that the phrase "the doctrine of Christ" is mostly describing a category of doctrine, called Christ. Of course Jesus Christ is the source of all true doctrine and teaches the doctrine, but "the doctrine of Christ" is a very specific doctrine. I believe that it is significant that the scriptures do not state "the doctrine of Jesus Christ" but rather it is always identified as the "doctrine of Christ". Christ is a title, not a proper name. It is like stating the phrase the doctrine of exaltation, or doctrine of repentence, etc. In this instance we aren't talking about the all the doctrine that is taught by "Exaltation" or the doctrine which comes from "Exaltation" but rather this phrase identifies the category of doctrine regarding exaltation, or repentence, etc.

Elder Christofersson says this about the subject matter:

In these revelations we find what might be termed the core doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ reestablished upon the earth. Jesus Himself defined that doctrine in these words recorded in the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ:

“This is my doctrine, and it is the doctrine which the Father hath given unto me; and I bear record of the Father, and the Father beareth record of me, and the Holy Ghost beareth record of the Father and me; and I bear record that the Father commandeth all men, everywhere, to repent and believe in me.

“And whoso believeth in me, and is baptized, the same shall be saved; and they are they who shall inherit the kingdom of God.

“And whoso believeth not in me, and is not baptized, shall be damned.

“… And whoso believeth in me believeth in the Father also; and unto him will the Father bear record of me, for he will visit him with fire and with the Holy Ghost. …

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine, and whoso buildeth upon this buildeth upon my rock, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against them” (3 Nephi 11:32–35, 39).

This is our message, the rock upon which we build, the foundation of everything else in the Church. Like all that comes from God, this doctrine is pure, it is clear, it is easy to understand—even for a child. With glad hearts, we invite all to receive it (Emphasis is mine).

-Finrock

Christ means Anointed.
What is our Anointing? The Holy Ghost.
Hence why I post all these scriptures about the Holy Ghost.

[Zathura]

25 And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;

26 And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the Holy Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God.

[Robert Sinclair]

I would that those of you, who feel they are born again of God consider this simple test:

If someone steals away your goods, you just let them go, as Jesus Christ said to do, and you do not ask for, or seek for them back, but know in your heart the LORD sees that which you do.

If you pass at least this small test, that you keep this commandment, this is a good indicator you hear his voice and obey. As few there be that do this.

Make up a list, of all the things he said to do, and to be like, and to know, and check them off, one by one, until you find yourself doing them all, being all those ways, and knowing all those things.

You will wax stronger and stronger in faith in Jesus Christ, and become more and more like him, with each step after him, you follow.♡

[Zathura]

I would that those of you, who feel they are born again of God consider this simple test:

If someone steals away your goods, you just let them go, as Jesus Christ said to do, and you do not ask for, or seek for them back, but know in your heart the LORD sees that which you do.

If you pass at least this small test, that you keep this commandment, this is a good indicator you hear his voice and obey. As few there be that do this.

Make up a list, of all the things he said to do, and to be like, and to know, and check them off, one by one, until you find yourself doing them all, being all those ways, and knowing all those things.

You will wax stronger and stronger in faith in Jesus Christ, and become more and more like him, with each step after him, you follow.♡

I like that a lot!
Interesting that you say that.. Someone stole my unopened bag of Cheetos the other day at work..

[Robert Sinclair]

You want to become like Jesus Christ, so when you knock, he will see, that you see eye to eye with him in all these things he has said to do, to be like and to know, and he will open up and let you in.♡

[Zathura]

Stahura, so you accept that the Prophet helped to bring forth the BofM through translation of it. You accept and feel the wittness of truths contained within its pages. Stahura, what of this prophet, even Joseph Smith Jr? What of the open cannon of revelation he received in regards to the necessity of temple ordinances? Further, and maybe most importantly, have you with in the holy setting of the temple, felt the power of God and the love from those on the other side of the veil pour out their gratitude to you for the work being done for them? By the way, I couldn't agree more about the necessity of being born of God.

Sorry ben, I didn't notice this before.

I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and that he received many revelations.
All of these revelations help us better understand heavenly things and the will of God.
However,They don't change what the doctrine of Christ is . Even the temple teaches the doctrine of Chirst. The physical ordinance does not save you, it teaches you spiritual things.
The washing anointing speaks of the washing and anointing we receive, baptism of water and fire. Our anointing is the Holy Ghost.
The temple also teaches that we can pierce the veil and receive a fulness. This is the fullness of the Gospel, the doctrine of Christ


There's a reason God said this to Joseph Smith
D&C 19:31
31 And of tenets thou shalt not talk, but thou shalt declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost.

What is a tenet? It's a belief held by a church. God didn't want us arguing about silly little things with others. He wants us to preach repentance and faith in Jesus , and teach that through that faith, we can be born of God and receive the Holy Ghost. He told that to Joseph because that is the simple doctrine of Christ.

Christ declared his doctrine in 3 Nephi 11. We are to believe in Jesus, and repent and become like a little child. He is is broken of heart will be visted by fire and the Holy Ghost and be born again.

[deep water]

Stahura, so you accept that the Prophet helped to bring forth the BofM through translation of it. You accept and feel the wittness of truths contained within its pages. Stahura, what of this prophet, even Joseph Smith Jr? What of the open cannon of revelation he received in regards to the necessity of temple ordinances? Further, and maybe most importantly, have you with in the holy setting of the temple, felt the power of God and the love from those on the other side of the veil pour out their gratitude to you for the work being done for them? By the way, I couldn't agree more about the necessity of being born of God.

You might want to look up the facts pertaining to when the ordinances used in the temple were first used, before you preach something. You will need to go all the way back, and study early BY time Church history. Just saying.

[Zathura]

Stahura, so you accept that the Prophet helped to bring forth the BofM through translation of it. You accept and feel the wittness of truths contained within its pages. Stahura, what of this prophet, even Joseph Smith Jr? What of the open cannon of revelation he received in regards to the necessity of temple ordinances? Further, and maybe most importantly, have you with in the holy setting of the temple, felt the power of God and the love from those on the other side of the veil pour out their gratitude to you for the work being done for them? By the way, I couldn't agree more about the necessity of being born of God.

You might want to look up the facts pertaining to when the ordinances used in the temple were first used, before you preach something. You will need to go all the way back, and study early BY time Church history. Just saying.

You talking to me? Help me out?

[deep water]

No I was addressing ben's post.

[Zathura]

If you think you're converted to Christ, stop and think. If you think you've been born of God, stop and think. Peter was not converted and born again throughout the whole 4 Gospels. after he had seen many miracles and the resurrection of Christ, he still wasn't converted, still hadn't been born again. It wasn't until the day of Pentecosts that he received an endowment from on high and was truly converted to Jesus. It wasn't until then that he could boldly testify of Christ without fear of what man would do to him. If he wasn't converted after all that, how about you? Am i Converted? Have I been spiritually begotten? Your salvation depends on this, it'd serve you well to ask yourself these questions.

In light of something EdGoble said recently, I want to say that certain “Partial Truths” have continued to be revealed to me, I saw part of a picture and assumed it was the whole thing. The above quote stands, and we should all think about this and ask ourselves :

“Lord, is it I?” “Have I been converted?” “Have I been reborn?”

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Some of the appropriateness of whether someone says something about what they believe is whether they wrap it up with the proper disclaimers so that there is no misunderstanding about what it is and that it is not doctrine, not that they can never say what they think. If the spirit whispers to you that their idea is correct, and that it is something that the Church does not teach yet, there is no reason that you cannot accept what the Spirit teaches you. On the other hand, if something is not authorized to be taught, even if it happens to be true, and you know so by personal revelation, it is not doctrine, and should not be taught, or at least, should not be taught as doctrine, not that you can never mention it. If you do mention it, are you careful in the way you mention it? Are you sure the Lord is ok with you mentioning it? If you know it to be true by personal revelation, have you properly discovered whether there is more to it than what you know? In other words, if you know it by personal revelation, are you sure that you have not only received a partial personal revelation, and that the Lord is preparing you for more, and that you only have part of the picture revealed to you? And so, personal revelations many times are partial truths, because there is almost always more, either in detail, or even in fundamentals, even if you think you know the truth and you felt good about an impression that was shown you. Are you sure that the impression is the full truth of the matter, or was it only leading you down a path to further impressions that give you even more? And you need to be careful what you say about such things. Because if someone preaches personal revelations, even if they are true, they are not teaching doctrine. Doctrine is not necessarily about what is true, but what is currently authorized and correlated, true or not. Therefore, what is appropriate has more to do with whether it is authorized than whether it is ultimately true in every ultimate sense. Therefore, we ought to recognize that if we find fault with the Lord's anointed for teaching what is authorized by the Lord to be taught, even if it is not fully true in every detail (because we may be privileged to have certain details revealed personally that the Church does not teach), we ought to hold our tongues and repent. Because the Brethren can do and say nothing except what they are authorized to do and say. They answer to He who authorizes them.