Nothing more, nothing less, Christ's Doctrine

[Zathura]

So Stahura...are you saying you can be saved and obtain exaltation without the priesthood ordinances?

Nope.

What I'm saying is that the Doctrine of Christ is Repent and become as a little child and be born again so that you may enter in by the way.

[rewcox]

So Stahura...are you saying you can be saved and obtain exaltation without the priesthood ordinances?

Nope.

What I'm saying is that the Doctrine of Christ is Repent and become as a little child and be born again so that you may enter in by the way.

And?

[Zathura]

I wasn't really suggesting anything, only mentioning something I noticed during my studies. The Book of Mormon and the Bible don't emphasize the priesthood like we hear it emphasized today. Being born again was emphasized greatly in the Book of Mormon and the bible, and it's hardly emphasized on our day. It's just an observation, I think there's a reason for that. I just don't know what it is.

My point in this post is that the doctrine of Christ is often added to and taken from. Tenants are often called doctrine when they aren't doctrine at all.
Everything in the scriptures is good and is for our benefit, but Christ simply declared his doctrine in one moment so that we could not be mistaken as to what his doctrine is. Anything more or less that we add to his doctrine is evil, this is Christs words not mine.

Interpretation is everything....some folks interpret the statements in Deuteronomy 4:2 & 12:32 and Revelation 22:18-19 to mean they don't need anything written after those points...

So when Jesus declares his doctrine in 5 short verses and says anybody who teaches any more or less than what he just declared is evil, he actually meant you can teach that his doctrine is more or less than what he said and it's okay?
There's nothing to interpret.

With Deuteronomy there's nothing to interpret also, you only need to look at the context. I'm very away that some things are symbolic some are literal, some have different interpretations. Some things aren't supposed to be interpreted. Thou shalt Not kill. Pretty simple.
My doctrine is a,b,c,d any one who says it's more than this is evil. Pretty simple.
He left no room for interpretation, he spoke in no parable

You are ignoring that He Himself expounded on His doctrine much more than 5 verses....in fact His doctrine is covered across multiple dispensations, myriad prophets, and today condensed into several thousand pages of scripture...not even getting into latter day revelations from the Spirit of God since the Restoration and all that has been written since...

Not that I'm in any sort of disagreement on the doctrine contained in those 5 verses which is the basic core doctrine...

I love the latter day revelations and truths that have been given to us from God in these latter days.I'm not talking about those revelations though.

Christ taught many things, yes. But why would he stop and say THIS IS MY DOCTRINE, 5 verses , and then say, anybody who says my doctrine is more than this, or less than this is evil.
It's because that's all his doctrine is. His other teachings are all true, but they aren't the doctrine of Christ.

It's important to know what the doctrine of Christ is, or you will look beyond the mark and focus on other things which are good, but aren't the things that bring you salvation. Mosiah talked about the man that receives salvation. The man that receives salvation is the man that is born of God and has the mighty change of heart and comes to know Gods matchless power.
You could spend countless days in Sunday school talking about tithing, priesthood,exaltation, fast offerings, honesty, and everything else in the Gospel Principles book, and never even realize that you have never been born of God which is the only way you can enter in by the way and receive the Holy Ghost.

[Zathura]

In believing that priesthood and fast offerings and keys and leaders and all kinds of stuff is part of Christs doctrine, you give emphasis to things that are still good, but things that cannot save you.
This is why Jesus made it clear that his doctrine is very simple, and doing what his doctrine teaches will bring them salvation, and not to teach that his doctrine is anything more than what he declared in those 5 verses.

[Zathura]

Mark my words, there are millions who believe they have Been born again when in reality they never have been, because they spent their whole time here focusing on works and other things that the scriptures teach, and teaching that the doctrine of Christ is less or more than it really is.

[rewcox]

It's important to know what the doctrine of Christ is, or you will look beyond the mark and focus on other things which are good, but aren't the things that bring you salvation. Mosiah talked about the man that receives salvation. The man that receives salvation is the man that is born of God and has the mighty change of heart and comes to know Gods matchless power.
You could spend countless days in Sunday school talking about tithing, priesthood,exaltation, fast offerings, honesty, and everything else in the Gospel Principles book, and never even realize that you have never been born of God which is the only way you can enter in by the way and receive the Holy Ghost.

Again I say, And?

[Zathura]

So Stahura...are you saying you can be saved and obtain exaltation without the priesthood ordinances?

Nope.

What I'm saying is that the Doctrine of Christ is Repent and become as a little child and be born again so that you may enter in by the way.

And?

There is no more than that. That's the Doctrine of Christ that Jesus himself declared, and told us not to say that his doctrine is more than that.

[Jason]

Mark my words, there are millions who believe they have Been born again when in reality they never have been, because they spent their whole time here focusing on works and other things that the scriptures teach, and teaching that the doctrine of Christ is less or more than it really is.

Maybe...or its just one person looking through one lens perceiving only what they can see....and others doing the same.

For instance....if those "works" those millions were focused on....was repentance and becoming obedient to the commandments of Christ....I'm going to have to disagree with you. Reason the rod is made of iron....

[rewcox]

So Stahura...are you saying you can be saved and obtain exaltation without the priesthood ordinances?

Nope.

What I'm saying is that the Doctrine of Christ is Repent and become as a little child and be born again so that you may enter in by the way.

And?

There is no more than that. That's the Doctrine of Christ that Jesus himself declared, and told us not to say that his doctrine is more than that.

Julie lives in Kansas, knows nothing about the doctrine of Christ. Now what?

[Zathura]

It's important to know what the doctrine of Christ is, or you will look beyond the mark and focus on other things which are good, but aren't the things that bring you salvation. Mosiah talked about the man that receives salvation. The man that receives salvation is the man that is born of God and has the mighty change of heart and comes to know Gods matchless power.
You could spend countless days in Sunday school talking about tithing, priesthood,exaltation, fast offerings, honesty, and everything else in the Gospel Principles book, and never even realize that you have never been born of God which is the only way you can enter in by the way and receive the Holy Ghost.

Again I say, And?

Will you continue harassing me for declaringthe doctrine of Christ, the exact way Jesus himself declared it?

Surely you feel the anger and the contempt in your heart when you actively seek to bring down my testimony.

These things have been taught to me by the power of the Holy Ghost and it's my duty to share with my neighbor.

I love my neighbor and I endeavor to help my neighbor be born again and taste of Gods love as I have. If you want to try to stop that from happening, then continue on this course. You could easily put me on your ignore list and continue on with your life.
My intentions are pure, my testimony is true.

[Zathura]

Julie lives in Kansas, knows nothing about the doctrine of Christ. Now what?

Then she is not under any condemnation because she doesn't know the law.

If the missionaries find her, they can teach her the doctrine of Christ, and she will then need to repent, be baptized in water and if she is broken hearted and contrite, God will visit her with fire and the Holy Ghost and she will have entered in by the way. She can then endeavor to help others taste of Gods love as she has.

[Zathura]

Mark my words, there are millions who believe they have Been born again when in reality they never have been, because they spent their whole time here focusing on works and other things that the scriptures teach, and teaching that the doctrine of Christ is less or more than it really is.

Maybe...or its just one person looking through one lens perceiving only what they can see....and others doing the same.

For instance....if those "works" those millions were focused on....was repentance and becoming obedient to the commandments of Christ....I'm going to have to disagree with you. Reason the rod is made of iron....

Agreed.

[rewcox]

I love my neighbor and I endeavor to help my neighbor be born again and taste of Gods love as I have. If you want to try to stop that from happening, then continue on this course. You could easily put me on your ignore list and continue on with your life.
My intentions are pure, my testimony is true.

I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say. You have capsuled the gospel to 5 verses, that is unique for me. I'm trying to understand what you mean.

I mentioned Julie has not heard of the doctrine of Christ. Bill hates Mormons. Now what?

[Zathura]

I love my neighbor and I endeavor to help my neighbor be born again and taste of Gods love as I have. If you want to try to stop that from happening, then continue on this course. You could easily put me on your ignore list and continue on with your life.
My intentions are pure, my testimony is true.

I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say. You have capsuled the gospel to 5 verses, that is unique for me. I'm trying to understand what you mean.

I mentioned Julie has not heard of the doctrine of Christ. Bill hates Mormons. Now what?

I already said what will happen with Julie, Bill i don't know rewcox, what do you think? Im not sure what I say about Bill

[rewcox]

I love my neighbor and I endeavor to help my neighbor be born again and taste of Gods love as I have. If you want to try to stop that from happening, then continue on this course. You could easily put me on your ignore list and continue on with your life.
My intentions are pure, my testimony is true.

I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say. You have capsuled the gospel to 5 verses, that is unique for me. I'm trying to understand what you mean.

I mentioned Julie has not heard of the doctrine of Christ. Bill hates Mormons. Now what?

I already said what will happen with Julie, Bill i don't know rewcox, what do you think? Im not sure what I say about Bill

Someone has to preach the gospel to Julie. Someone has to baptize her. Someone has to have the priesthood, and received it from someone.

God loves Bill. What happens?

[Jason]

Someone has to preach the gospel to Julie. Someone has to baptize her. Someone has to have the priesthood, and received it from someone.

God loves Bill. What happens?

Get him after he's dead....

[Zathura]

I love my neighbor and I endeavor to help my neighbor be born again and taste of Gods love as I have. If you want to try to stop that from happening, then continue on this course. You could easily put me on your ignore list and continue on with your life.
My intentions are pure, my testimony is true.

I'm trying to understand what you are trying to say. You have capsuled the gospel to 5 verses, that is unique for me. I'm trying to understand what you mean.

I mentioned Julie has not heard of the doctrine of Christ. Bill hates Mormons. Now what?

I already said what will happen with Julie, Bill i don't know rewcox, what do you think? Im not sure what I say about Bill

Someone has to preach the gospel to Julie. Someone has to baptize her. Someone has to have the priesthood, and received it from someone.

God loves Bill. What happens?

Agreed. What happens to Bill? Well, we have the modern revelations that Jason mentioned that explain what happens with people like him. Work is done in the Spirit World, where the Doctrine of Christ can be taught to him. I believe the same thing in regards to this as you do.

[Zathura]

24 Yea, and from that time even until now, I have labored without ceasing, that I might bring souls unto repentance; that I might bring them to taste of the exceeding joy of which I did taste; that they might also be born of God, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

25 Yea, and now behold, O my son, the Lord doth give me exceedingly great joy in the fruit of my labors;

26 For because of the word which he has imparted unto me, behold, many have been born of God, and have tasted as I have tasted, and have seen eye to eye as I have seen; therefore they do know of these things of which I have spoken, as I do know; and the knowledge which I have is of God.

Alma 36:24-26

[Zathura]

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 2 27

[Zathura]

20 And ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And whoso cometh unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, him will I baptize with fire and with the Holy Ghost, even as the Lamanites, because of their faith in me at the time of their conversion, were baptized with fire and with the Holy Ghost, and they knew it not.

3 Nephi 9:20

[Zathura]

7:... Because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behind, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughers.

[Zathura]

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

[rewcox]

I thought you said the doctrine of Christ was 5 verses. You keep adding to it.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

[Zathura]

I thought you said the doctrine of Christ was 5 verses. You keep adding to it.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

I never said the doctrine of Christ is 5 verses.
According to your logic then that would mean I don't belive that 2 Nephi 31 teaches the doctrine of Christ, which it clearly does.

I said everything that the doctrine of Christ is is found within those 5 verses, when he declared his doctrine.
It's all about receiving the Holy Ghost that we can receive a remission of our sins. We then can become one with God.
This scripture is Jesus is thanking God for having given them the Holy Ghost, which is the doctrine of Christ, they have entered in by the way.

Why do you continually attempt to catch me in my words?

I don't want to judge your intentions wrongly, but it seems you act just like the pharisee's that attempted to catch Jesus with all kinds of questions to see if they could get him to look stupid and wrong.

Like I said, just ignore my posts and put me on your foe list. I will continue talking about the Doctrine of Christ and praying that others can use this forum as a means to learn how to be born again, just like I did.

[rewcox]

Here is a good one you might want to use:
48 Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.

I thought you said the doctrine of Christ was 5 verses. You keep adding to it.

22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them.

23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.

3 Nephi 19:22-23

You're not understanding what I'm saying.

I never said the doctrine of Christ is 5 verses.
According to your logic then that would mean I don't belive that 2 Nephi 31 teaches the doctrine of Christ, which it clearly does.

I said everything that the doctrine of Christ is is found within those 5 verses, when he declared his doctrine.
It's all about receiving the Holy Ghost that we can receive a remission of our sins. We then can become one with God.
This scripture is Jesus is thanking God for having given them the Holy Ghost, which is the doctrine of Christ, they have entered in by the way.

Why do you continually attempt to catch me in my words?

I don't want to judge your intentions wrongly, but it seems you act just like the pharisee's that attempted to catch Jesus with all kinds of questions to see if they could get him to look stupid and wrong.

Like I said, just ignore my posts and put me on your foe list. I will continue talking about the Doctrine of Christ and praying that others can use this forum as a means to learn how to be born again, just like I did.