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At first, I wasn't sure about Dr. Ben Carson, but the more I learn about him, the more I have hope that he may actually help this country, and we desperately need help!

There are a few aspects that he seems to have limited knowledge on, but as he explained, that is why he is and will be open to those who specialize in those fields - and get the best advise and work together.
He makes sense logically and reasonable, and I've also felt the spirit many times as I've heard him speak, or thought of his perspectives.

What do you think of Dr. Ben Carson, running for president?

Good VP material for Trump.

He wants to make vaccines mandatory.
He also wants to make every gun owner be licensed to have a weapon.

I am opposed to Ben Carson based on these two positions.

Dr. Ben Carson has been my quiet favorite from all of the candidates so far.

-Finrock

While there are issues with which I do not agree with Dr. Carson on I will say this for him. He strikes me as one of the few adults running. Here is a man that when he makes a mistake he owns up to it. He is quiet and respectful of everyone, including those who he might strongly disagree with. He's not running some kind of carnival side show (Trump) or expecting that the nomination should be his by virtue of his name (Bush and Clinton).

No he's an adult and acts like an adult. I would like to see a Carson vs. Sanders election. Two men who know how to behave and could conduct themselves accordingly. Such an election would offer a clear choice between two articulate candidates with clear, if very different, views of the direction our nation should take. In some ways, it is interesting to consider Carson and Sanders are notall that far apart.

If you look at his life he is someone who has actually contributed to society! He is an incredible surgeon, apparently decent and honest man, and he is intelligent. What a breath of fresh air! Especially compared to that buffoon Trump. He doesn't have the Washington "experience" but maybe that's a good thing. How about a Carson/Rubio ticket? Rubio was actually baptized into the Church as a child.

Same old same old

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Perhaps it's our Gentile mindset:

24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest.

25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Like it or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

AgaetisTakk wrote:Like it or not, Ben Carson has forced us to ask some tough questions like "Have we been overestimating the intelligence of brain surgeons?"

All we have left are rocket scientists.

Thinker wrote:What do you think of Dr. Ben Carson, running for president?

If he had run 40 or 50 years ago while there were still a majority of thinking, decent Americans he might have been able to make a situation where we weren't the enemy of the world. Today, where MTV and ABC/Disney control what Americans think, he has the same chance as Miley Cyrus has of becoming a moral and respectable lady.

Has he changed his stance on mandating vaccines? What about requiring licenses (ie. Driver's License) to carry a weapon?

I like Ben Carson. I think contrary to those who criticize him, that a quiet well thought soft spoken man would make a great president.

However, I believe that the most important presidential election in my lifetime was the 2012 one. I think a good leader might have pulled things out a la Reagan versus Jimmy the Peanut. Now, I think it is too late and very bad things are coming that no president could turn it around.

Although a good leader might help manage the crash, and although my preference is for Ted Cruz, I think Carson could be the guy to do it.

Regards,

George Clay

Ben Carson is a MAN amongst men. He is the ONLY one I see standing up to the genocidal abortion!

While at the same time bombing foreigners.

Thanks for your comments.
I see more pros with Dr. Ben Carson than cons.
He is very intelligent, mature and seems able to resond to questions in thoughtful ways that acknowledge multiple considerations.
He has good values and seems to be strong in them, and based on research, not just whims or social pressure.
He is a man of God - although I haven't heard him make it an issue, his life decisions and approach to challenges reflect looking to a higher power.
We desperately need God - and a leader who looks to God!
I also admire that he prioritizes education and yet has enough humility to realize he doesn't know everything and that he will work with others to get the best information to make the best decisions.

The only cons I've seen, may be a concern with taxes, but I didn't hear him explain enough so I may be jumping to conclusions. I do like his suggestion that the wealthy no longer be allowed to avoid taxes through loop holes (pretend non-profit organizations etc.), yet, I hope that he is not suggesting to do away with the income-tax credit for those under a certain income.

The income tax itself is immoral. Wanting government to close loopholes is sick. God bless loopholes.

Thinker wrote:The only cons I've seen, may be a concern with taxes...

Unfortunately, one of his biggest cons is also one of his biggest pros:

MormonPatriot wrote:Ben Carson is a MAN amongst men. He is the ONLY one I see standing up to the genocidal abortion!

He will not be elected while publically endorsing an end to abortion, especially under his belief that ONLY in the case of danger to the life of the mother. He even opposes abortion if it's rape or incest, and even I disagree with that. MP used an incorrect term, though, it's not genocidal as there's no group being targeted for destruction (but I understand the desire to label it as such.) The general public has accepted this horrid practice for so long now there will be no turning it back, even with laws, until a more holy rule comes upon us.

He certainly seems to be a good man, an actual, real decent person. This is another reason he won't get elected. If today's political world was written like The Emperor's New Clothes, the kid who spoke up and said the emperor had nothing on would get beat to death by the mob, and the emperor would go right on by with everyone in the crowd still agreeing (publically) that he was magnificently dressed.

skmo wrote:

Thinker wrote:The only cons I've seen, may be a concern with taxes...

Unfortunately, one of his biggest cons is also one of his biggest pros:

MormonPatriot wrote:Ben Carson is a MAN amongst men. He is the ONLY one I see standing up to the genocidal abortion!

He will not be elected while publically endorsing an end to abortion, especially under his belief that ONLY in the case of danger to the life of the mother. He even opposes abortion if it's rape or incest, and even I disagree with that. MP used an incorrect term, though, it's not genocidal as there's no group being targeted for destruction (but I understand the desire to label it as such.) The general public has accepted this horrid practice for so long now there will be no turning it back, even with laws, until a more holy rule comes upon us.

He certainly seems to be a good man, an actual, real decent person. This is another reason he won't get elected. If today's political world was written like The Emperor's New Clothes, the kid who spoke up and said the emperor had nothing on would get beat to death by the mob, and the emperor would go right on by with everyone in the crowd still agreeing (publically) that he was magnificently dressed.

Skmo,
There are some Americans who want trash, who want a leader with trashy (no) values.
But MOST Americans, I believe in their heart, do want at least someone who they TRUST.
Even if they were never taught to have good morals, each person has the light of Christ/God in them.
And what if, Skmo, there is power in belief? What if, just by believing in the GOoD of people... that inspires more good?
It's worth it to believe - and hope - and pray that this country we love will be lead in a way that is of God.
If God can do anything - and God can - then God can create miracles - even of overriding corrupt laws.
However, the way God set it up is that we are God's hands - we can and ideally do, believe in and strive for good.

Thinker wrote:There are some Americans who want trash, who want a leader with trashy (no) values.
But MOST Americans, I believe in their heart, do want at least someone who they TRUST.

I so wish that I could agree with you. Most people will pay lip service to goodness, honesty, decency, and yet very few who do so in practice. TPTB have so divided people into groups who have shattered beliefs and desires that there's little hope in finding enough common ground to build something solid. Everyone has weaknesses, and avenues to feed our weaknesses (or better yet, to convince us our weaknesses aren't weak at all, but healthy and normal desires) have become so commonplace that convincing people to give up their pet sin (or sins, in most cases) will require real pain and suffering. There is no growth in our own comfort zones, and we have become a people with comfort zones lined with debauchery.

Even if they were never taught to have good morals, each person has the light of Christ/God in them.
And what if, Skmo, there is power in belief? What if, just by believing in the GOoD of people... that inspires more good?
It's worth it to believe - and hope - and pray that this country we love will be lead in a way that is of God.
If God can do anything - and God can - then God can create miracles - even of overriding corrupt laws.
However, the way God set it up is that we are God's hands - we can and ideally do, believe in and strive for good.

I do believe in the power of belief, and I've seen miracles, so I believe in them, too. However, there has to be a desire, God will not force someone to change. I will continue to hope, to pray, and to believe, but my belief is in God's ultimate triumph, and of those who do His will. My belief in my fellow man is nil, and only a little better for my own self.

I am afraid of Ben Carson’s promotion of government-enforced vaccinations. In that I see ignorance of the US Constitution. I also see Carson as very weak on the Second Amendment. He has stated that people who live in big cities should not be allowed to own semi-automatic firearms. After entering the presidential race, and taking flak for his statements from GOP constituents, he seems to have changed his position. But I don’t trust that this is as much him “seeing the light” as it is him “feeling the heat.” As brilliant a mind as he has for medicine, I see Carson as constitutionally challenged.

If your looking for a candidate that agrees with you on everthing the only answer is to run yourself.

I did run myself, for the US House of Representatives in 2008.

skmo wrote:I so wish that I could agree with you. Most people will pay lip service to goodness, honesty, decency, and yet very few who do so in practice. TPTB have so divided people into groups who have shattered beliefs and desires that there's little hope in finding enough common ground to build something solid. Everyone has weaknesses, and avenues to feed our weaknesses (or better yet, to convince us our weaknesses aren't weak at all, but healthy and normal desires) have become so commonplace that convincing people to give up their pet sin (or sins, in most cases) will require real pain and suffering. There is no growth in our own comfort zones, and we have become a people with comfort zones lined with debauchery.

I do believe in the power of belief, and I've seen miracles, so I believe in them, too. However, there has to be a desire, God will not force someone to change. I will continue to hope, to pray, and to believe, but my belief is in God's ultimate triumph, and of those who do His will. My belief in my fellow man is nil, and only a little better for my own self.

Reminds me of "positive disintegration" which most people seem to avoid like the plague - even though it is growth - progress, but involves "growing pains" and most will have nothing to do with it.
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Still, we must have hope - and faith - in the GOoD of ourselves and others!

“The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

Opposition in all things - that's how we grow! Without the need to exercise even against the constant drain of gravity, astronauts' muscles atrophy.
We need opposition - God does his best work that way, it seems.

Thinker wrote:“The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair, and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

Bravo! Excellent way to try to persuade me to concede a point: Use Prof. Tolkien against me. I know of no one that has ever used a pen whom I admire more. One of my favorite reasons to hope for a swift death for myself is to be able to meet him.

Honestly, I'm glad there are people who can not only see the beauty around but have hope for and belief in more to come. My recent misfortunes have all but beat me out of them myself, but I still hope for good to most all of humanity.