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R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:05 am
by iWriteStuff
My thought is that it doesn't matter whether one believes in the Republicans or the Democrats as the "best" party to govern our nation. Both parties are bought and sold by the super party - the Party of Gadianton.
However, I'm willing to believe in the possibility of an exception to the rule.
Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton? To meet this criteria, they cannot be guilty of any one of the following characteristics:
Helaman 7:4-5
1) having usurped the power and authority of the land;
2) laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him;
3) doing no justice unto the children of men;
4) Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness;
5) letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover
6) to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover,
7) that they might the more easily:
a) commit adultery, and
b) steal, and
c) kill, and
d) do according to their own wills
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:09 am
by Jason
You can add the Libertarian party to that as well!!!
...and the Green Party and the Light party and so on...
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:12 am
by EmmaLee
iWriteStuff wrote:Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton?
Oooh, that's a tough one, iWS. I can't think of a single one. Maybe - MAYBE - Rand Paul can meet that criteria, and even then I'm not sure (still researching/watching).
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:13 am
by iWriteStuff
Jason wrote:You can add the Libertarian party to that as well!!!
...and the Green Party and the Light party and so on...
Thanks Jason! To clarify - are you saying all political parties fall under the Party of Gadianton?
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:18 am
by Jason
iWriteStuff wrote:Jason wrote:You can add the Libertarian party to that as well!!!
...and the Green Party and the Light party and so on...
Thanks Jason! To clarify - are you saying all political parties fall under the Party of Gadianton?
I would say that I have yet to come across one that isn't...if not direct control at least substantial influence.
It's a money game...and one the money changers keep a very close eye on and control of...
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:24 am
by EmmaLee
I have found this website to be somewhat helpful in determining who is actually voting for/against constitutional issues. These are actual votes, so not just what they "say" they would vote for/against. Anyone rating under a 90% doesn't even get considered in my view, regardless of party.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:30 am
by Jason
Via direct control of three voting machine companies that combined have 99% market share..."they" control every single election in the US from local to national!
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:32 am
by Jason
EmmaLee wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton?
Oooh, that's a tough one, iWS. I can't think of a single one. Maybe - MAYBE - Rand Paul can meet that criteria, and even then I'm not sure (still researching/watching).
Rand is bought and paid for just like his father...research his connections with Lewis Lehrman...
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:37 am
by iWriteStuff
EmmaLee wrote:I have found this website to be somewhat helpful in determining who is actually voting for/against constitutional issues. These are actual votes, so not just what they "say" they would vote for/against. Anyone rating under a 90% doesn't even get considered in my view, regardless of party.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomindex/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So that would include the following:
Sen. Benjamin Sasse - 90% - Nebraska
Sen. Thom Tillis - 90% - North Carolina
Sen. David Perdue - 90% - Georgia
Dist.1: Raul Labrador - 90% - Idaho
Sen. Mike Lee - 93% - Utah
Dist.3: Justin Amash - 94% - Michigan
Dist.2: Alex Mooney - 90% - West Virginia
Sen. Rand Paul - 94% - Kentucky
Dist.4: Thomas Massie - 98% - Kentucky
And definitely exclude the following:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren - 6% - Massachusetts
Sen. Bernard Sanders - 26% - Vermont
Sen. Barbara Boxer - 13% - California
Sen. Dianne Feinstein - 12% - California
In other words, there's 9 that qualify out of 535 members of congress... or roughly 1.7%. Yikes!
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:37 am
by EmmaLee
Jason wrote:EmmaLee wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton?
Oooh, that's a tough one, iWS. I can't think of a single one. Maybe - MAYBE - Rand Paul can meet that criteria, and even then I'm not sure (still researching/watching).
Rand is bought and paid for just like his father...research his connections with Lewis Lehrman...
Well, that may be, but what matters most to me, personally, is how he actually votes on constitutional issues (that is the whole point of having a Congress, yes? Although with the SC effectively taking over Congress' role, maybe it's a moot point anymore X( ) - and his voting record is the best I've seen - especially amongst the current crop of presidential candidates. For any who may be interested, here is his current voting record -
http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomin ... id=P000603" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:43 am
by EmmaLee
iWriteStuff wrote:In other words, there's 9 that qualify out of 535 members of congress... or roughly 1.7%. Yikes!
Pretty sad, eh? The Gads have gotten "above us" in a big way. And some folks still think there's hope, bless 'em. But then, some folks still think this is an LDS forum, so...
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 8:56 am
by iWriteStuff
This is gonna seem odd, but on my way to work this morning I found myself feeling like I should pray for Rep. Chaffetz from Utah. I'm not from Utah, don't vote in Utah, and have only heard about him a bit in the news. But when I looked him up, I think I get an idea why I might have felt prompted:
Score breakdown:
55% (114th Congress: 2015-2016);
52% (113th Congress: 2013-2014);
79% (112th Congress: 2011-2012);
92% (111th Congress: 2009-2010)
His voting record has gotten progressively worse since he was voted in. Do you suppose he's under pressure to abandon his principles? Or is he just soaking in the swamp atmosphere in DC and slowly switching teams?
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 9:50 am
by sandman45
iWriteStuff wrote:My thought is that it doesn't matter whether one believes in the Republicans or the Democrats as the "best" party to govern our nation. Both parties are bought and sold by the super party - the Party of Gadianton.
However, I'm willing to believe in the possibility of an exception to the rule.
Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton? To meet this criteria, they cannot be guilty of any one of the following characteristics:
Helaman 7:4-5
1) having usurped the power and authority of the land;
2) laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him;
3) doing no justice unto the children of men;
4) Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness;
5) letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover
6) to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover,
7) that they might the more easily:
a) commit adultery, and
b) steal, and
c) kill, and
d) do according to their own wills
A lot of the candidates have no idea that they are a part of the secret combination.. and there are some who are fully aware..
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 10:11 am
by cyclOps
EmmaLee wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:In other words, there's 9 that qualify out of 535 members of congress... or roughly 1.7%. Yikes!
Pretty sad, eh? The Gads have gotten "above us" in a big way. And some folks still think there's hope, bless 'em. But then, some folks still think this is an LDS forum, so...
I still have hope simply because we know how this ends. Babylon and the culture of Gadiantons will self implode when it seems that our hope is lost and their victory is sure.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 10:13 am
by cyclOps
It's still too early to tell, but Ben Carson seems pretty straight and true.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 11:54 am
by gclayjr
Yes,
the more I hear form Ben Carson, the more I like him. Also, Ted Cruz stands up against the Powers that be in both parties.
It is a cop out to just say both parties are corrupt and controlled by the Gadiantons. It is a nice cowardly belief that justifies doing nothing but sitting in your basement and carping about how everything is corrupt.
I'd rather go down fighting for what is right.
Regards,
George Clay
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 11:57 am
by iWriteStuff
sandman45 wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:My thought is that it doesn't matter whether one believes in the Republicans or the Democrats as the "best" party to govern our nation. Both parties are bought and sold by the super party - the Party of Gadianton.
However, I'm willing to believe in the possibility of an exception to the rule.
Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton? To meet this criteria, they cannot be guilty of any one of the following characteristics:
Helaman 7:4-5
1) having usurped the power and authority of the land;
2) laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him;
3) doing no justice unto the children of men;
4) Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness;
5) letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover
6) to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover,
7) that they might the more easily:
a) commit adultery, and
b) steal, and
c) kill, and
d) do according to their own wills
A lot of the candidates have no idea that they are a part of the secret combination.. and there are some who are fully aware..
Is it a matter of useful idiots vs willing accomplices?
I'd say there are a lot of voting citizens who are blind to the existence of the Party of Gadianton, but I think it would be a lot harder to keep your eyes closed once you're inside the machine and you see how far the reality deviates from the ideal. And what of those who are pressed into servitude? There's a fair bunch of folks who think Justice Roberts has something being held over his head by TPTB.
If you gain enough leverage, you can sway any conviction.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 12:03 pm
by iWriteStuff
gclayjr wrote:Yes,
the more I hear form Ben Carson, the more I like him. Also, Ted Cruz stands up against the Powers that be in both parties.
It is a cop out to just say both parties are corrupt and controlled by the Gadiantons. It is a nice cowardly belief that justifies doing nothing but sitting in your basement and carping about how everything is corrupt.
I'd rather go down fighting for what is right.
Regards,
George Clay
Sorry, nobody is suggesting taking your marbles and going home. I think the idea is to open your eyes and know the enemy you're fighting doesn't have an R or a D next to their name tag. If someone's political ideology is the only thing you're aware of, you're missing the bigger picture.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 12:06 pm
by ilovetherain
Jesus Christ! He is coming to rule and reign!
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 12:10 pm
by ilovetherain
Regarding Chaffetz, look back at the press conference (if possible to find online) the day he announced he would not be running against Hatch. He was frightened. He had been threatened! These politicians are bought and paid for before they run. Just like Skousen told us that the FBI targets Mormon RMs, they are also targeted to be politicians. Look at who Hatch has endorsed, and then the millions thrown at them? Mia Love comes to mind. And many others. Hatch is always a good clue. Who he supports and who he comes out publicly to attack! THEY target the egos that need to be fed, and the orators. Chaffetz was an easy target.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:20 pm
by markharr
What do you think the patriot act was really about? They have information on everyone including politicians. I would be surprised if there is anyone out there that doesn't have some skeleton in their closet meaning they can blackmail anyone.
I believe that our constitution was inspired by god, and I believe that it will survive the tribulations. I actually hope and pray that the DNC, and the GOP do not. You should keep fighting the good fight, but I don't see this nation getting more righteous. It is going to require some intervention from above before we can turn this government around.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:38 pm
by ilovetherain
America will be cleansed, and the City of Enoch will not return to the earth until we obey God's commandments. It will take tribulations and cleansing of the wicked before ALL on the earth obey God.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 3:39 pm
by EmmaLee
LDScop wrote:EmmaLee wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:In other words, there's 9 that qualify out of 535 members of congress... or roughly 1.7%. Yikes!
Pretty sad, eh? The Gads have gotten "above us" in a big way. And some folks still think there's hope, bless 'em. But then, some folks still think this is an LDS forum, so...
I still have hope simply because we know how this ends. Babylon and the culture of Gadiantons will self implode when it seems that our hope is lost and their victory is sure.
My hope is in Christ and Him alone.
D&C 87: 6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God,
until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;
Jer 30: 11 For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee:
though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 27th, 2015, 7:16 pm
by David13
9 members of congress what are not corrupt. What actually believe in the Constitution. Out of 535. Yes, I think that is about where the two parties are today.
dc
Re: R's + D's = Gadiantons
Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:28 am
by Jason
EmmaLee wrote:Jason wrote:EmmaLee wrote:iWriteStuff wrote:Who can tell me of a candidate or elected official (fed govt, that is) who isn't completely in the pocket of the Party of Gadianton?
Oooh, that's a tough one, iWS. I can't think of a single one. Maybe - MAYBE - Rand Paul can meet that criteria, and even then I'm not sure (still researching/watching).
Rand is bought and paid for just like his father...research his connections with Lewis Lehrman...
Well, that may be, but what matters most to me, personally, is how he actually votes on constitutional issues (that is the whole point of having a Congress, yes? Although with the SC effectively taking over Congress' role, maybe it's a moot point anymore X( ) - and his voting record is the best I've seen - especially amongst the current crop of presidential candidates. For any who may be interested, here is his current voting record -
http://www.thenewamerican.com/freedomin ... id=P000603" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Depends on who is defining what is Constitutional or not and what their measurement stick is...