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Stahura wrote:I don't see anything positive in this thread.

Stahura wrote:The bickering and the name calling has no end..

I don't see anything positive in this thread.

iWriteStuff wrote:

Stahura wrote:The bickering and the name calling has no end..

I don't see anything positive in this thread.

So why do we keep adding to it?

iWriteStuff wrote:

Stahura wrote:The bickering and the name calling has no end..

I don't see anything positive in this thread.

So why do we keep adding to it?

captainfearnot wrote:I just wanted to say I have no problem with the title of this forum. All it means to me is that the participants are either Mormons or somehow connected to Mormonism and the subjects under discussion are related to Mormonism. And that's all true.

Stahura wrote:The bickering and the name calling has no end..

I don't see anything positive in this thread.

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:This is exactly what is going on here folks, fear tactics that I am pretty confident not even this member recognizes he is participating in.

Jason wrote: We clearly have a few folks intent on being destroyers of faith...

Notice how he says, "destoryers of faith"... and does not finish the statement. Faith in what? If it is anything but FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST the SON OF GOD, then destory it! Pull it down with the pride of those supporting it! Freedom! God's gospel freedom.

The same fearful reaction is exactly what I feel BEEPREPARED, TONY, and others who I feel cause most the contention on this forum from their stringent pharisaical defense of the church (notice I didn't say the gospel of Christ restored) and the policies, procedures, and traditions - rather than love unfeigned for the church (speaking of Christ defining the church as those who come to him, repent, and are baptized).

Might I ask, faith in what?

Show me where anyone you speak of is destroying the faith of anyone in Jesus Christ the son of God. Show us all please.

This vein of thought is so dangerous and seemingly rampant within the membership - the Spirit fills my heart brimming over when it occurs, as it is dangerous to convolute and use fear tactics like, "your faith is being destroyed by these apostates who speak against traditions of the brethren" when the reality is these "apostates" which I am labeled as one, are preaching of Christ and his restored gospel, persuading people of faith in Christ alone over all else. Some of the brethren get that, Elder Scott in my view the closest, now sadly gone.

I sustain Thomas S Monson, he is my brother, as the President of the church, I just have been told by the Holy Ghost, and the voice of Christ - to follow him NOT, but to follow Christ - I sustain you, you are my brother, but I follow you NOT - I sustain my neighbors, but I don't Trick or Treat (hehe) I follow them NOT - I however will pull down anything that the Spirit of God tells my heart is MORE OR LESS than His (Christ's) gospel, and that my friend is LDS FREEDOM, freedom from D&C 121 no matter how sugar coated it is and to any degree of unrighteousness, AMEN to such, and may we trust Christ in that he has reason to need to cleanse this nation starting with the hypocrites in his own house, speaking to the Church.

Remember, don't be a "jerk for Jesus" that is anti-Christ, faith destroying, attacking the gospel if anything else. What did the crusaders do in the name of Jesus? What did the high priests of Israel do in the name of God to Jesus himself? Don't be jerks for Jesus.

Our sustaining of prophets is a personal commitment that we will do our utmost to uphold their prophetic priorities.

How do we really sustain a prophet? Long before he became President of the Church, President Joseph F. Smith explained, “It is an important duty resting upon the Saints who … sustain the authorities of the Church, to do so not only by the lifting of the hand, the mere form, but in deed and in truth.”2

When we sustain prophets and other leaders,6 we invoke the law of common consent, for the Lord said, “It shall not be given to any one to go forth to preach my gospel, or to build up my church, except he be ordained by some one who has authority, and it is known to the church that he has authority and has been regularly ordained by the heads of the church.”7

This gives us, as members of the Lord’s Church, confidence and faith as we strive to keep the scriptural injunction to heed the Lord’s voice8 as it comes through the voice of His servants the prophets.9 All leaders in the Lord’s Church are called by proper authority. No prophet or any other leader in this Church, for that matter, has ever called himself or herself. No prophet has ever been elected. The Lord made that clear when He said, “Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you.”10 You and I do not “vote” on Church leaders at any level. We do, though, have the privilege of sustaining them.

The ways of the Lord are different from the ways of man. Man’s ways remove people from office or business when they grow old or become disabled. But man’s ways are not and never will be the Lord’s ways. Our sustaining of prophets is a personal commitment that we will do our utmost to uphold their prophetic priorities. Our sustaining is an oath-like indication that we recognize their calling as a prophet to be legitimate and binding upon us.

Lizzy60 wrote:

AI2.0 wrote:
I just clicked on EmmaLee''s user name to pull up her profile page and it shows she is still registered. I'm wondering why you believe she's gone? If it's because it doesn't show the date and time of her last visit, that's because one is allowed to select the option to hide that information.

EmmaLee wrote:And, sometimes, Obrien is a little harsh. I would just accept that he is what he is and let his words slide off my back. So it's okay for him to break the forum rules and not be held accountable, because he's just Obrien after all. But it's not okay for TBM's/MM's to break those same rules, and they get banned for it? That's fine, if that's how the game is played - but it's a blatant lie for someone to then say there's no double-standard on this forum.

EmmaLee wrote:

A Random Phrase wrote:There are others here who post, who do not have the TBM view of things, who have no belief in DS as a messenger (and may not have even heard of him).

P.S. I do NOT consider TBM an epithet. I consider it a compliment, coming from the story in history. ("Are you a Mormon?" asked the man brandishing a gun, who had been threatening to kill any Mormon he found. "Yessiree. True blue, through and through," was the reply, even though he was facing a death threat. How can there be an insult to be called something that originated in that story?)

I've seen plenty of people (in the HG forum, and in some of the FB groups) say that to them "TBM" means "true blind Mormon" - obviously meaning they view people who remain faithful in the LDS Church as "blind".

EmmaLee wrote:Um, right - that's what I'm talking about - the content of the offending posts where they broke the rules.

Separatist wrote:Weird thread. It's like the non-trolls are trolling each other.

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

shadow wrote:I needed therapy while I was banned :-T

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

AI2.0 wrote:

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

As Rewcox asked, who are you referring to? Who do you believe thinks they are 'a chosen group' and 'favored' because they think they are more righteous than others? Please explain exactly who you are identifying with this post.

Stahura wrote:

AI2.0 wrote:

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

As Rewcox asked, who are you referring to? Who do you believe thinks they are 'a chosen group' and 'favored' because they think they are more righteous than others? Please explain exactly who you are identifying with this post.

I will not speak of any specific person or group. I will not get caught in a mudslinging contest.

It's only an observation, this is the attitude that I frequently see here.
Maybe any person who has this attitude will realize it and stop, regardless of their group or belief.

Stahura wrote:

AI2.0 wrote:

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

As Rewcox asked, who are you referring to? Who do you believe thinks they are 'a chosen group' and 'favored' because they think they are more righteous than others? Please explain exactly who you are identifying with this post.

I will not speak of any specific person or group. I will not get caught in a mudslinging contest.

It's only an observation, this is the attitude that I frequently see here.
Maybe any person who has this attitude will realize it and stop, regardless of their group or belief.

AI2.0 wrote:

Stahura wrote:

AI2.0 wrote:

Stahura wrote: This is what I frequently hear throughout this thread/forum.
" O God, we know that we are a chosen group, and we are favored over our brethren for we are more righteous than they"

As Rewcox asked, who are you referring to? Who do you believe thinks they are 'a chosen group' and 'favored' because they think they are more righteous than others? Please explain exactly who you are identifying with this post.

I will not speak of any specific person or group. I will not get caught in a mudslinging contest.

It's only an observation, this is the attitude that I frequently see here.
Maybe any person who has this attitude will realize it and stop, regardless of their group or belief.

So, some nameless people are the troublemakers here? They are so full of themselves that they think they are above everyone else and you're able to identify them but 'don't want get caught in a mudslinging contenst'?
You were the one who started throwing 'mud' and now you want it to stop? It's NOT going to stop as long as people do this stuff and then ignore they're part of the problem.

This is what I'm tired of. People who make the kind of veiled attacks which you are guilty of with this comment, and then try to retreat and pretend that it's someone else causing the trouble.

It's pretty easy to go back and read this thread from the beginning to see which respondents posts fed the flames of dissent and which ones helped dissipate them.