Allodial Title, Covenant and Deed

[freedomforall]

Ezra Taft Benson was, at the time he gave this speech, the President of the Quorum of the Twelve; he was an Apostle of the Lord, one of the Lord's servants, no less the the apostles of Jesus Christ in his day.
I doubt the speech was read and understood the way Ezra meant for it to be understood. In fact, he mentions misconceptions out there that are not in line with the principles of the United Oder.
For those that do not want to learn the true purpose of the United Order, fine, but do not assume that all the rant is going to change anything.
The Lord chose Bro Benson as one of his mouth pieces. At the beginning of the speech he asked God for the Spirit to attend those hearing the message so they could understand.
The tithes are not considered as surplus. Surplus comes from people who have entered the law of the United Order. It is that when people produce more than is needed for their family that the excess goes to the bishop's storehouse, and then is distributed to the poor and needy.

Says Elder Benson:

"The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures. In other words, an individual conveys his titles to all his property to the Church through the bishop. The property becomes the property of the Church. You read about this in the forty-second section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy. Under the united order, idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are condemned. The united order may therefore operate with only a righteous people.

It has been erroneously concluded by some that the united order is both communal and communistic in theory and practice because the revelations speak of equality. Equality under the united order is not economic and social leveling as advocated by some today. Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3).

In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs.

Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property? No. “The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57).

Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly. The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105.

I repeat and emphasize that the law of consecration is a law for an inheritance in the celestial kingdom. God, the Eternal Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and all holy beings abide by this law. It is an eternal law. It is a revelation by God to his Church in this dispensation. Though not in full operation today, it will be mandatory for all Saints to live the law in its fulness to receive celestial inheritance. You young people today abide a portion of this higher law as you tithe, pay a generous fast offering, go on missions, and make other contributions of money, service, and time."
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To keep ranting about having the church pass out homes and lands is a false notion, because this principle is only for those already entering into the United Order, not for the unrighteous, the greedy, the selfish or the covetous. To claim an apostle of the Lord doesn't know what he's talking about, says volumes about those fighting the laws of God under the practice of the United Order. The very principle is for those who are righteous, those who truly want an inheritance to dwell with Father in the Celestial Kingdom.
Look for those that would give up everything they own at the drop of a hat for the Lord...then you might have people able to enter the united order and live it.

[freedomforall]

That Ezra Taft Benson said-----

"The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures."

"The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy." Under the united order, idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are condemned."

"The united order may therefore operate with only a righteous people."

"Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3)".

"In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs."

"Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property?

No."

“The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57)."

"Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly."


"The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105."

Yes, I read 105:2-5

"Behold, I say unto you, were it not for the transgressions of my people, speaking concerning-----


the church and not individuals,



they might have been redeemed even now.
But behold they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their ($40,000,000,000.00 and growing) substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them;
And are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom;
And Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom;
otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself.

Ezra, bless his heart, must have missed this part.♡ According to whom?


But he was right "private property" was needed.

And he was right the bishops were from the storehouse admisister to the poor and needy these things.

The storehouse is filled by "tithes and offerings". Yet are not surplus from anyone living the united order and have produced more than was needful for their family as spoken by ETB.

None can deny this fact. But they can deny that it is surplus from those already living the united order. Big difference.

The part missing still is from the storehouse to the poor and needy part, from the bishops, as required by celestial law, according to their needs and wants, according to the size of his family. Remember, this is for those living the united order, and not before, as freebees to whoever makes claim to it.

No private property has been deeded out to the poor and needy still to date, pending not Jesus Christ coming back and again commanding this be done, but pending "the church, and not individuals" to decide, to begin to do this, from the $40,000,000,000.00 and growing assets of the church, and a feast of fat things, well prepared, from the rich and learned wise and noble of this church, for there is more than enough and to spare to do this, all the leaders need do is ask.♡ Incorrect. The money is the Lord's money and he will do with it as he sees fit, and not by ranting.

We can go into any law firm, group of Jewish Rabbi, Christian Pastors, Muslim leaders, "60 Minute" investigative reportes, and go over what is written and see if they all agree----- First...ask God, his rules and laws, not for us to challenge him over. The aforementioned clergy have not one iota of power to cause God to do anything man demands.

That our own book, the Doctrine and Covenants section 105:2-5 says it is-----

"The church and not individuals"

that do not impart of their $40,000,000,000.00 and growing substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them. Are all poor and needy people in the church living the united order?

This for homes and lands, yes private property, as Benson admitted, was the intent of the "United Order".

Maybe we shall yet see a change soon, and a return to keep this celestial law of God.♡ If we all live long enough that is.

And freedomforall,

not just 105 but look at section 101 which Benson points out as a reason why, as well, Zion is not redeemed.

Who are these men upon the watch tower fallen asleep?

And who are these that have put the money out to the exchangers, instead of doing that which the LORD of the vineyard had asked?

Things to ponder upon, with all the other warnings given.♡

Apostle Benson spoke so:

D&C 1:38
38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.

Who has more power to judge the leaders of the church, man or GOD?

Please read the speech again, and again and again until it registers as to what ETB is actually conveying. And then make a book report. Gee! where have I heard this before?

[Robert Sinclair]

I thought that is what people got baptized and confirmed to do, have "All things common among them", of their own freewill, not to become vain, thinking they are better than anyone else in this world.

That they desire and want to be equal in their temporal things and be called Zion, the saints of the most high God.

True followers of Jesus Christ, and not just pretenders to turn the other cheek, have goods stolen away and not ask for them back, giving to those that ask, and not turning them away, doing all things he said to do and be and know all things he said to know.

Allright you are free to convince others, that you are the one true church like Peter had of "All things common among them" and as the Nephites had of "All things common among them" go ahead and see how many you can fool.

You will never be able to convince all the Jews, that you are the true example of the way God said to be, not being equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly, and neither will you convince the other Christian churches, that you are like Peter, and the Nephites in 4th Nephi, "All things common among you", when you are not.

But feel free to comtinue on with this perversion of equity, and pursuit of the Mother of all Harlots, and Whore of all the earth and Babylon, setting buildings up to adore, above the care of the poor, and watch and see what is promised to happen.

I will hope and pray better of you, but you are free, to be whatever you wish to be.♡

[Dash jones]

Interesting stuff on the united order and tithing.

Before I comment on the thread, I'd like to say, Jesus taught that it was harder for a Rich man to get to heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle. NOW, in modern times Rich men have wanted to subvert this so they are not condemned, and try to have it so that it also can mean a gate in Jerusalem.

However, needles and the understanding of what the instrument of a needle (what you try to thread with) was much easier to understand as the traditional instrument which has been around FAR longer than that gate, and even prior to written history. It is a parable that is easy to understand not just by those in Jerusalem, but every area where Jesus walked, and to the nations around there, and throughout history to our time. It is basically a condemnation of the rich. Those who think that they are righteous because they are rich and have to deal with the temptations of riches and hence get more righteous by it, I believe are just deceiving themselves.

This is further shown by the parable of the Rich man who could not bear to sell all he had and follow Christ. Riches themselves are not evil, but attachment to being rich and those riches are. It is because the Rich are unable to part from these riches and hence in essence place them above all else which is where their condemnation comes from. The irony is if they actually USE their riches to do good, in theory, they would no longer be rich or Rich men (if the story of the Rich man who turned away is to be understood).

That said

This is what I gather from this thread and what's been written overall. Tithing itself was originally part of the lesser law, and was spoken about in the Old Testament. It was used to help the poor and the needy.

The New Testament talks about a united order. This is the higher law.

The Saints tried to live this Law of Consecration as you would put it. Today that law is no longer in effect.

Instead the Lower law has been reinstituted, which is the law of tithing (which I don't think is spoken of in the New Testament specifically, or is it?).

Why then, are the tithes not being utilized in support of the poor as it was originally intended to do?

Is that the gist of everything. Tithing has been subverted from a way the Lord instituted to ensure the Poor and Needy were taken care of into a thing which basically is utilized by the LDS church?

The idea promoted by one person in the thread seems to be that the tithing money should be used to buy members property and then grant it back to them. That's what I gather. The church then uses any excess to give property to the poor?

The problems with this idea is that the land is taxed, at least that's what I'm getting from the counter-argument. Since the land is subject to taxes it is hence not really the owners, it is still the government, and hence it is impossible for the LDS church to do the entire United Order thing.

If the land were Allodial, it would be possible.

Is that in a nutshell?

Furthermore, as far as the United Order goes, not all would be equal. The IMPLICATION seems to be that there would still be RICH AND POOR among you. That seems counter to EVERYTHING I've read in the Bible. The ONLY way I'd see it working is similar to that of the New Testament and what has been hypothesized there (outside of LDS circles) OR, how I feel the LDS United Order actually was supposed to work. In this, there is NOT Rich OR POOR among the people practicing it. When one says there is inequality, it is not inequality as one might understand it in regards to rich or poor, but in regards to needs and wants.

For example, let's take the LDS Missionaries. In some areas they get $200 a month to spend. They also have their apartments and vehicles which they can use and don't pay for out of this $200. This $200 is for them to spend however they need or want to, with the intentions that they can pay for their food, laundry, and other necessities out of that. In addition, they can buy other things if they so desire and have the fund to do so above that. These items they buy are THEIRS.

In another mission the missionaries ALSO get their apartments paid for. They are in an inner city and do not need a vehicle. They have all the utilities paid for. In addition, they receive $130 a month. The cost of living is a LOT lower where they are at, and so the funds needed for needs and wants are not as high as those in the other area/mission.

Both of these receive different amounts of money. None are rich, but they shouldn't be suffering as long as they are wise stewards. In essence, these LDS missionaries are living the law of consecration already.

All their efforts should be centered on the Lord. In addition, in a Law of Consecration idea, I think anything you earned would be turned into the church, and then the church would allocate back according to your needs and wants similar to the Missionaries. In theory they shouldn't be getting 10K a month from their family for extra spending (though undoubtably this might happen to someone somewhere). Instead they pay a set amount to the church each month (or similar to one giving the church all they have made). They get allocations out of that money.

The idea that inequality is anything similar to our current situation of rich and poor I find absolutely ridiculous and counter to the teachings that we find in the Gospels of the New Testament. That's why I brought it up at the beginning. Anyone who thinks they should be allowed a gross amount of riches under the United Order I think is either misinterpreting how it should be if it were an organization after the Teachings of Christ, or believes the United Order is really messed up (which I admit could also be a legal interpretation, but from what I understand from LDS church history that I've read, it's more akin to the New Testament idea of no riches rather than inequality due to how lucky one is to have a high wage job and such).

In regards to lands, I'm not sure if this would fit with the LDS churches idea, but what if the LDS church purchased all that property, but instead of granting it back, built homes and houses where members could live. The church would still own the property and hence the allodial idea would work?

Similar to parishes or other items attached to churches in other religions?

Not that this is any solution. However, I think another reason the LDS church isn't doing this, beyond the normal idea of the United Order is that the lower law of tithing is currently what is being used.

[Robert Sinclair]

It is as with Abraham and Lot, being able to make claims upon land sufficient for their support under the reign of Melchizedek.

And in the JTS translated version Abraham paid tithes and offerings of all his surplus, beyond that which he needed, which was for the poor, kept in the storehouse by Melchizedek for the poor.

Same with the law of Moses, Joshua 1:6 all were to have inheritances in the land of promise.

Not so clear with Peter and the Twelve on this, as after Peter had made distribution unto all, he leaving the temple was recorded to have said, "Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee; In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk."

Better than gold and silver he was given the power of God on high to heal the crippled and to raise the dead, and probly could turn water into wine, and all of things we know nothing of, having not this power.

But the distribution among the members was that they had "all things common among them" at the start.

So also was it to have been for the Nephites in 4th Nephi, but after the 201st year had passed away they no longer had this, but began to be again divided into classes of rich and poor.

Interesting though, that at the start people had all things common, but some people are very talented, and prosperous, and can find ways to multiply wealth of possessions and goods.

This is where God has instructed for those who have created more than is needed for themselves and their families, to bring it in and give this surplus into his storehouse that those not so talented and prosperous, may share in this abundance, even though they may have failed, in multiplying goods ect, for others. Although it is written that they at the time of offering none are to appear before the LORD empty handed (see Exodus 23:15) "none shall appear before me empty".

But for LDS, it is taught, private property, is to be imparted, that none are exempt from this law to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly, for homes and lands as well as food and raiment, see D&C 42:30 & 70:10-16 & 104:11-18 & other places about being equal not one above another, and as of interest, the kings of Israel were commanded in Deut 17:14-20 that his heart not be lifted above his brethren, not to multiply gold or silver or wives, ect.

The key here is if you can understand that Judah and Joseph's descendants were to write, and by looking at both these written records, the truth was to be established, that all false doctrine would eventually be ended, and the two families would be confounded no more on how to treat the poor.

You have the testament of "All things common among them" in Acts, of the Jews.

You have the testament of "All things common among them of the descendants of Manasseh of Joseph, in the book of Mormon.

And of Ephraim of Joseph of Egypt, who would have a descendant named Joseph of a father named Joseph, or Joseph Smith Jr, that would testify, that no one of the church of the living God, was exempt from this law, in their temporal things they are to be equal, and this not grudgingly, for homes and land food and raiment, and instructions on how the LORD, commanded this be done are in the Doctrine and Covenants.

3 witnesses saying be equal and as one.

For a 4th witness you have the prophet Zenos, in the Book Jacob 5:74 "they became like unto one body, and the fruits were equal"

There are more, if one desires to look and see, of Zion and Enoch, and no poor among them, if this is the desire of your heart to see and understand these things of freewill of leaders and a people lead by them.

What ever you desire to know of the truth, is all there in the "One Stick" sitting in the hands of Ephraim and their invited guests.

This grand "Script" of God, tells of what Judah and Joseph, and especially Ephraim shall do, if one desires to look into the book called the "One Stick" in Ezekiel 37:15-23.♡

[davedan]

And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment? (Old Testament, Micah 3)


Princes is speaking of political/secular authority and NOT religious authority.

Yes, the Constitution should protect life, liberty, and property.

[Robert Sinclair]

Micah 3:5-9--------11&12.

Is all about religious authority and the perversion of equity, davedan.♡

[freedomforall]

Equality is not that everyone has the same things, rather, it is equality in that families, according to all their own needs and wants are equal in obtaining the things the family needs...no one is left out.

D&C 51:3
...appoint unto this people their portions, every man equal according to his family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs.

Acts 2:45
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Wants...with a stipulation.

D&C 82:17
17 And you are to be equal, or in other words, you are to have equal claims on the properties, for the benefit of managing the concerns of your stewardships, every man according to his wants and his needs, inasmuch as his wants are just—

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, where are the deeds distributed unto the poor since the direction from the LORD, in 104 & 105?♡

[freedomforall]

Micah 3:5-9--------11&12.

Is all about religious authority and the perversion of equity, davedan.♡

Apostle Benson: 101

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, the church remains under condemnnation, did he not admit?♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, the church remains under condemnnation, did he not admit?♡

Tell you what, let us get a group of lawyers, and Rabbi, and Christian leaders, and Muslim leaders together, go through these records and see, who keeps the "law of God", "All things common among them" of being equal of their own freewill, and who does not. Who has gone astray and who has not from God.

Then we will know perfectly, who, the Jews, the LDS, the Christian churches, the Muslim mosques, who ways, are equal and like unto Enoch and his people, bringing peace on earth and goodwill to men, or like Peter and the first church of Christ, or the second in America, with the Nephites, of "All things common among them" a happier people ever created by the hand of God.

Who has set up the best standard of God to live by.

And we shall see perfectly, who has, and who has not.♡

Who has earned the right to lead the people?♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Ezekiel 18:25

"Are not my ways equal?"♡

[freedomforall]

Ezekiel 18:25

"Are not my ways equal?"♡

Apostle Benson: 101, Read and understand, you'll be glad you did.

[Robert Sinclair]

I did read what you posted freedomforall, love that title by the way, "freedomforall".

"Property rights" in Benson 101 is key.

Administration from the bishops hands to the poor and needy is key from the storehouse.

"O be wise, what can I say more", as Jacob son of Lehi said.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

------- explained by Pres Benson while he was president of the Quorum of the Twelve.

"The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures. In other words, an individual conveys his titles to all his property to the Church through the bishop. The property becomes the property of the Church. You read about this in the forty-second section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy."

I agree 100%.♡

"Equality under the united order is not economic and social leveling as advocated by some today. Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3)."

I agree 100%

"In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs."

I agree 100%

"Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property? No. “The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57)."

I agree 100% "Private ownership of property"



"Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly. The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105."

I would agree and add Peter and the first church set up with "All things common among them" as a third.♡

And again D&C 101- says the watchmen have fallen asleep, and put the money out to the exchangers, not setting up the ensign of the tower to see.

And again D&C 105:2-5- says it is-- "the church" that has not imparted, yes, "the church", and not individuals.

I agree 100%

I could under current church policy donate 200,000 homes unto the church, and not one would be given to a poor family in my ward or stake, but be swallowed up, never to be seen by the poor, as they are set up wholly as collectors, and not distributors, of deeds of private property unto to the poor and needy of the church.♡

Should not these things be reviewed and changes considered?

Just some helpful thoughts.♡

[davedan]

Robert, you didn't answer my question:

1. Should the church buy property all in one location?
2. Should that location be in Independence, MO or Salt Lake City?
3. Should the church buy farm land and build new construction or buy in the inner city or suburban?
4. Should the church buy property in multiple locations?
5. According to the Platte of the City of Zion, the city should only house 1000 families.
6. If the Church buys land in multiple locations, which countries should the church by property in?
7. Is the Church responsible for paying for moving, relocation fees?
8. How will the Church work out all the immigration paperwork?
9. Will all the Church poor live in neighborhoods together?
10.What is to prevent those neighborhoods from becoming slums?
11. What do you do with non-members who join to get their free house?
12. Is the Church still responsible for paying utillities and taxes and garbage pickup?
13. If the Church decides to create its own cities from scratch, then it will need to develop utilities and schools.
14. What will the poor do for work? How will the poor be trained in skills in the new city or will the Church perpetually pay all their expenses? (the perpetual, "we will pay all your bills" fund).
15. Also, since the $40 billion in net worth of the church is mostly tied up in church properties and not cash or bonds or stocks, should the church sell all its property (temples, meetinghouses, welfare facilities, seminary and institute buildings) to purchase all these houses for the poor?
16. The real cash holdings (endowment or trust) of the LDS Church is in their "rainy-day fund" is much less than 40 billion and more like $1-2 billion which is regulated by 501c3 laws.

It is easy to criticize leaders, but NOT to solve the hard questions.

[davedan]

It takes about a year to become a Jew

What about Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch "Look here is water...."

[Robert Sinclair]

Someone who's heart is pure, there would not be need for a year to be taught.♡

And as for answers to 17 questions I already answered them I feel.

It is not easy to tell the truth to some, as vipers can come out and bite you, for so doing, and with some, even death can be administered, as in the case of Jesus Christ and his original Twelve apostles save for John the revelator and Judas, just simply for telling the truth, about the perversion of equity and loftiness and transgression.

Defend iniquity and inequality, for all your life, or defend the word of God, even to the point of freely giving your life if need be, the choice is yours, you will stand before your maker and have to answer for your day of probation upon this earth.

Defend being equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly, you will be everlastingly glad you always did.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Be thankful all of you who live in a country where in peace, title can be held and you can feel safe.

If you live in the area just outside of Israel and are found selling land to a Jewish family, you can be sentenced to death.

What a difference it is to live in a free country and nation under God where no matter your religion you may feel safe and secure without the threat of death.

Of course the early saints were not so lucky, but times have changed and currently helping the poor in your church, own land, is a wise thing to do, a good time to return to the law of helping to see land and homes are imparted unto the poor and needy of the church.

Why tell some working at minimum wage jobs, earnestly laboring at an honest living, you brought this inability to purchase a home upon yourself. You should have gotten a college degree. Or others fallen on hard times not of their own doing, but still honest hard working people----The church is not going to help you buy a home and land, even though Jesus Christ commanded that we should, and even though we could easily do this, if we wanted to do this, because we have more important things to invest in? No tithing money is going to be used to help you period, no matter what the LORD has said.

Such a strange day to live in, but such it is, O Ephraim, can you not awaken from this silliness without a heart?

"Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart:"
(Hosea 7:11)

Awaken and sanctify and purify your hearts with love for the poor among you, as you would for Jesus Christ himself.

Would you not take from the tithes to give him a home and land, if he came in among us in disguise, but everyone knew it was him?

So it is in truth, for how the poor are treated is how you have treated him.♡

Again, why fight against giving homes to the poor, who has instructed you to do this? To fight against the very foundation of Zion?

"Who is it that has corrupted my vineyard?" The Lord asks in Jacob 5:47.

And the servant of the master said:

"Is it not the loftiness of thy vineyard-------''

And the servant asks------

"Spare it a little longer."

Everyone please get out of bed, and do as the LORD has said, see that covenants and deeds that are not broken by the church, are imparted unto the poor among us.

Let the heavens rejoice!

Hosanna unto the highest and the LORD, for Ephraim has finally awaken, and gotten clean hands and pure hearts!♡

Great joy for us all.♡

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[Robert Sinclair]

Some things I post, may be meat before milk for some, and I sorrow that some may choke upon my posts, not able to digest, as yet. I begin to understand why much has been held back, as yet, from the LORD.

If some of my posts are too much, go ahead and delete them. Better to wait until more are able to understand.

But for those who are able, to understand this, that making a list, of the things Jesus Christ has said to do, and to be like, and to know, and checking those things off one by one, that you have done, and seeing those you have yet to do, and be like and know, can help.

This giving covenants and deeds to the poor and needy, sufficient for their needs and wants, is just one of the items on the list.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

davedan,

I want you to know, I do appreciate your sincere look into this matter, as stewardships by title held on land and home by a covenant and deed whether in Abraham's day under Melchizedek, or in our day, is well worth the time spent discussing.

One does not live forever in this tabernacle of flesh we are given in this day of probation, and the best we can hope for, is that we live in a nation protected where one can live free from fear of being killed like in war torn nations of the earth like Syria and others.

The free nations of this earth, and especially this promised land of America, spoken of from as far back as Adam and Eve, in the land of Adam-Ondi-Ahman to the coming back to this land of the Brother of Jared and his people, whom one of the final prophets of their time Ether testified of a time concerning a New Jerusalem upon this land where the seed of Joseph of Egypt would also be brought for a land of "their inheritance"; and they shall build up a holy city unto the Lord, like unto Jerusalem of old; and they shall be no more confounded, until the end come when the earth shall pass away.

And that this land here was to be a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land where all should serve the Lord, who dwell upon the face thereof.

Now also Ezekiel testified of a time when Joseph and Judah would be together in a nation under God, having the stick of Judah and the stick of Joseph joined together to be confounded no more as Ether testified, as also Lehi had testified to his son Joseph how the fruit of his loins would write and Judah's, and these writings would grow together unto the confounding of false doctrines and laying down of contentions, and establishing peace among the family of Israel.

So the "One Stick" has come forth, and it is in the hands of Ephraim, and they have been honored, and called, and elected, to take this "One Stick" and themselves be confounded no more how to live in peace, keeping the covenants of God, commencing a work to set up this standard given, of "All things common among them" testified of by the seed of Judah, and of "All things common among them" testified of by the seed of Joseph, and with an additional witness of "Equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly" given unto them, with instructions on how to live in this "United Order" where all would be distributed stewardships of inheritance, in the land of promise from the storehouse of the LORD, and a feast of fat things well prepared for the poor among them, from their rich and learned the wise and noble among them.

Certain scriptures had been written that must needs be fullfilled first of Hosea, and Jeremiah, and Isaiah and others, including a parable given in D&C 101 of servants, that would give the money to the exchangers first, and not set up the tower as they ought to have done, and he will bring the residue of his servants, to finish this work and posess the land.

This does not bode well for these that have put the money out to exchangers, nor set up the ensign and the tower and light, for all the nations of the earth to see.

My advice to these that have put out the money to the exchangers, is to go before the Lord, with broken hearts, and contrite spirits, and plead for the great and wonderful gift of "if" commanded of the Father unto Jesus Christ to offer unto them, that "if" they will repent (see 3rd Nephi 16:13), and return unto the Father, they shall get to be numbered among his people, and not be trodden down, and replaced by the remnant of his people left.

Where can wisdom be found among the prideful and the vain and the lofty?

It is in hearkening unto the word of the Lord given unto Joel, and to give ear to these things and be ashamed, and acknowledge this offence against the Father, and to return unto him, and to bring his bride out of the closet, that the bridegroom might come forth of his chamber and bless them.

As Hosea wrote in Hosea 14:9 "Who is wise, and he shall understand these things?"

Hopefully Ephraim.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

The next President of The United States of America, should set his heart upon establishing equity for everyone, in these promised lands of America as well, establishing the "Ordinances of Justice" to help bring this about, as in Joshua 1:6-8, yes as in verse 6 "inheritances" for all, in the promised land.
They should work with Senator Orrin Hatch, and Senator Ron Wyden of different party lines, that actually have been known to work together for the good of the nation, on amending the tax code, where homes can be given to the poor, without any tax penalty.♡

This nation would soon be back on track to prosper above all other nations of this earth, as once a poor person has a home they own, they should soon be able to be off welfare rolls, saving this nation, billions and possibly trillions of dollars, and the national debt should be able to quickly be paid down.

Yes title for all, with a covenant and a deed that cannot be broken between the nation and it's people, especially in this 70th year of Jubilee, of 5776 in the Jews calandar, a year when everyone is to be set free of poverty, all given their land due from God, for inheritances to prosper in peace and goodwill.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

A good thing for all the governments of this earth to do, set up the standard of justice and righteousness, by seeing all have homes and lands, as well as food and raiment, sufficient for the needs and wants of their people, by freewill of the people for the people, living in peace and goodwill one for another, as instructed by Jesus Christ.♡