Allodial Title, Covenant and Deed

[freedomforall]

#-o =; :-$

[Robert Sinclair]

Okay, having looked up JST Gen 14, I concede that tithing BACK THEN was used to help the poor.

This hasn't unbalanced your world too much I hope, this is just as it is written of, here a little, there a little, line upon line, we all keep learning.♡

[freedomforall]

Okay, having looked up JST Gen 14, I concede that tithing BACK THEN was used to help the poor.

This hasn't unbalanced your world too much I hope, this is just as it is written of, here a little, there a little, line upon line, we all keep learning.♡

Not in the least, but thanks for asking. I still happen to not agree with your approach pertaining to the point you are trying to convey with such profound energy. Since the law of Moses is no longer in effect, I really have no reason to agree with you. The whole idea is unrealistic in today's society. People want the church to change according to their will, not considering what the will of God is...and this is a dangerous practice. So until I hear something come down from God to the prophet it really matters not. If God commands it and I refuse to obey, that's on me, but since God isn't commanding us to do as you wish...I have nothing to worry about, nor does any other member and this is a fact we have to accept. It so happens we live the law of consecration and self-reliance these days, of which some people refuse to acknowledge. So why continue this discussion? I'm kinda tired anyway.

[Robert Sinclair]

Is not much of the law of Moses still in effect, just the part of sacrifice of the unspotted perfect animals as a type and shadow of Christ been fullfilled?

I mean the ten commandments, and many other parts of this law, given of Moses, even the 7th year of release in our bankruptsy laws are fashioned after the law of Moses.

The Orthodox Jews use this to come up with their teachings of true Tzedakah or the pure righteousness of charity, where it's highest level of Tzedakah is to set up individuals and families to be self sufficient, which is a type and a shadow of our "United Order" which basically teaches and instructs to set individuals and families up to be self sufficient right away, instead of possibly all their lives trying to get to that point for some.♡

Try telling the Jewish race of people, the law of Moses, which they use to teach their children righteousness and justice and loving kindness and charity, is of no effect today; have a deep discussion with them someday, and you will find, great similarities between them and the LDS church as it should be, for the Houses of Judah and Joseph, who must join together as one, someday soon, see Ezekiel 37:15-23.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

One nation under God, with liberty and justice and inheritances for all.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

Yes, it is the duty of the church to be built up "first among the Gentiles and next to the Jews"; and how is it they can ever accept something less than something they teach about the pure righteousness of charity, (Tzedakah), of setting people up to be self sufficient, except it is of a standard, and ensign, and light, they can see and agree upon, exceeds or matches that which they teach as the pure righteousness of charity?♡

(See D&C 107:33-35)♡

Return to set up this light of a "United Order", that the nations of the earth can see clearly is the pure righteousness of charity, taught by Jesus Christ.♡

[isaacs2066]

Allodial title was never common in the United States under any circumstance.

"Cannot be broken" means that the united order cannot take it back if a person leaves the united order as it would be their real property.

Try again bro.

Good point. Allodial title has never been given to individuals in the US. Although churches and non-profits do not pay property tax.

Wiki- "In most states, property held by churches for the purpose of worship also has status similar to allodial title."

I believe the directive to give inheritances was dealing with the situation of only a few LDS Members (United Firm) being able to apply for and purchase super-cheap land. (320 acre plots). The Federal government only allowed people to purchase land in huge allotments.

The Church then had the decision of how to distribute the land so as to organize and build a city (too much for any one person). They could give it away, or sell it, or rent it, or keep it. The Lord instructed them to deed it to individual members.

Robert was saying the LDS Church should use tithing to buy individual members equitable land and houses instead of using tithing to build equitable churches and temples and welfare farms and canneries. (Robert's Housing-First Initiative)

Robert was claiming, that scripture calls for the LDS Church to use its revenue to purchase and gift property to all its members "with a covenant and deed that cannot be broken".

I was pointing out that the LDS Church cannot at this time, extend the allodial benifit it receives in its land purchases to its individual members. If members were to receive land, those properties would be subject to taxation. Consequently, in the case of the poor, much of that property would end up confiscated by the state for back taxes unless the Church perpetually paid their property taxes also.

So, the main point is, in such a scenario, I dont see the creation of a "covenant and deed that cannot be broken". Maybe one day, we will see the realization of this. But in our current situation, I don't seeing this course of action leading to the desired outcome.

That is the thing though. Most property taxes are not federal or even state. Usually at least in Illinois property taxes are county and sometimes municipal.

With that in mind if the members were to actually gather such as to build a city, we would presumably control the municipality if not the county government.

We could simple do away with property tax.

There are entirely legal if not exactly transparent means to get around every obstacle standing in the way of Zion being redeemed if we would set are hearts and our wills to just do it all ready.

The root of the problem is that our leaders teach us that we cannot redeem Zion right now.

I am sorry that everyone doesn't want to accept it, but the fact remains the scriptures have always said and still say that Zion could have been redeemed then and it still can be now this very day.

The scriptures come first before any man or men even our church leaders. Therefore when our leaders say that Zion cannot be redeemed right now, they are flat out dead wrong.

lastly, if the leaders of the church had really wanted to establish Zion these last hundred years we would not be having this discussion in the first place.

Not a problem of the leaves refusing to gather the suns rays, it is the roots refusing to drink the water.

[Robert Sinclair]

Such it has been foretold of the prophet Hosea, who was commanded of the LORD to marry a wife of whoredoms, and have children of this wife of whoredoms as a type and a shadow for Ephraim to understand, Israel is defiled.
Such things must have come to pass for the scriptures to be fullfilled.

So thankful this whoredom does not last forever for this house, as Hosea's last chapter finally gives hope for Ephraim, that someday they will finally acknowledge this offence, and say,

"What have I to do anymore with idols?"

Who is wise that understands these things?, Hosea writes.♡

See Hosea 14:8-9 ♡

[freedomforall]

Robert, I do not want to burst your bubble so I'll allow President Benson to do it. Read closely so you'll grasp what I mean. You're close to the actual purpose of covenants and deeds, but the rules and method of practice and explained by Pres Benson while he was president of the Quorum of the Twelve. There is more to it than meets the eye. It is not to get free homes and land from tithing funds.

A Vision and a Hope for the Youth of Zion
Ezra Taft Benson
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/ezra-taf ... outh-zion/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or sit back and just listen
https://speeches.byu.edu/wp-content/upl ... 041977.mp3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I want to speak more particularly this morning about this one law—the law of consecration. It is that one’s time, talents, strength, property, and money are given up to the Lord for the express purpose of building up the kingdom of God and establishing Zion on the earth. Or, as we read in Doctrine and Covenants 105:5, “Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom.”

Much has been written about this law and its attempted implementations in the early history of the Church; and much deception has taken root, even among some of our members, because of misinformed opinion or misguided interpretations. Some view it as merely an economic alternative to capitalism or the free enterprise system, others as an outgrowth of early communal experiments in America. Such a view is not only shortsighted but tends to diminish in importance a binding requirement for entrance into the celestial kingdom. The law of consecration is a celestial law, not an economic experiment.

The vehicle for implementing the law of consecration is called the united order. The basic principle underlying the united order is that everything we have belongs to the Lord; and, therefore, the Lord may call upon us for any and all of our property, because it belongs to him. The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures. In other words, an individual conveys his titles to all his property to the Church through the bishop. The property becomes the property of the Church. You read about this in the forty-second section of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy. Under the united order, idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are condemned. The united order may therefore operate with only a righteous people.

It has been erroneously concluded by some that the united order is both communal and communistic in theory and practice because the revelations speak of equality. Equality under the united order is not economic and social leveling as advocated by some today. Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3).

In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs.

Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property? No. “The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57).

Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly. The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105.

I repeat and emphasize that the law of consecration is a law for an inheritance in the celestial kingdom. God, the Eternal Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and all holy beings abide by this law. It is an eternal law. It is a revelation by God to his Church in this dispensation. Though not in full operation today, it will be mandatory for all Saints to live the law in its fulness to receive celestial inheritance. You young people today abide a portion of this higher law as you tithe, pay a generous fast offering, go on missions, and make other contributions of money, service, and time.

Satan’s Counterfeit System

But whenever the God of heaven establishes by revelation his design, Satan always comes among men to pervert the doctrine, saying, “Believe it not.” He often establishes a counterfeit system, designed to deceive the children of men. His aim, as it was before the foundation of this earth was laid, is to thwart the agency of man and to subjugate him. Throughout all ages of mankind, the adversary has used human agents and despotic governments to establish his purpose. Satan is determined to destroy all that is dear, all that will ennoble and exalt man to a celestial kingdom.

Or view the speech

I have no desire to debate the facts, only to present them. I accept the words of ETB to be fact and to be payed heed to. Nothing else will do. His words corroborate the things I learned from scripture. He simply put them into perspective. Covenants and deeds that cannot be broken deal with the Celestial Kingdom and the ability to enter therein by living the law of consecration. Any other view is only conjecture, period.

[Robert Sinclair]

That Ezra Taft Benson said-----

"The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures."

"The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy." Under the united order, idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are condemned."

"The united order may therefore operate with only a righteous people."

"Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3)".

"In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs."

"Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property?

No."

“The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57)."

"Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly."


"The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105."

Yes, I read 105:2-5

"Behold, I say unto you, were it not for the transgressions of my people, speaking concerning-----


the church and not individuals,



they might have been redeemed even now.
But behold they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their ($40,000,000,000.00 and growing) substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them;
And are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom;
And Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom;
otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself.

Ezra, bless his heart, must have missed this part.♡


But he was right "private property" was needed.

And he was right the bishops were from the storehouse admisister to the poor and needy these things.

The storehouse is filled by "tithes and offerings".

None can deny this fact.

The part missing still is from the storehouse to the poor and needy part, from the bishops, as required by celestial law, according to their needs and wants, according to the size of his family.

No private property has been deeded out to the poor and needy still to date, pending not Jesus Christ coming back and again commanding this be done, but pending "the church, and not individuals" to decide, to begin to do this, from the $40,000,000,000.00 and growing assets of the church, and a feast of fat things, well prepared, from the rich and learned wise and noble of this church, for there is more than enough and to spare to do this, all the leaders need do is ask.♡

We can go into any law firm, group of Jewish Rabbi, Christian Pastors, Muslim leaders, "60 Minute" investigative reportes, and go over what is written and see if they all agree-----

That our own book, the Doctrine and Covenants section 105:2-5 says it is-----

"The church and not individuals"

that do not impart of their $40,000,000,000.00 and growing substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them.

This for homes and lands, yes private property, as Benson admitted, was the intent of the "United Order".

Maybe we shall yet see a change soon, and a return to keep this celestial law of God.♡

[davedan]

Robert,

1. Should the church buy property all in one location?
2. Should that location be in Independence, MO or Salt Lake City?
3. Should the church buy farm land and build new construction or buy in the inner city or suburban?
4. Should the church buy property in multiple locations?
5. According to the Platte of the City of Zion, the city should only house 1000 families.
6. If the Church buys land in multiple locations, which countries should the church by property in?
7. Is the Church responsible for paying for moving, relocation fees?
8. How will the Church work out all the immigration paperwork?
9. Will all the Church poor live in neighborhoods together?
10.What is to prevent those neighborhoods from becoming slums?
11. What do you do with non-members who join to get their free house?
12. Is the Church still responsible for paying utillities and taxes and garbage pickup?
13. If the Church decides to create its own cities from scratch, then it will need to develop utilities and schools. 14. What will the poor do for work? How will the poor be trained in skills in the new city or will the Church perpetually pay all their expenses? (the perpetual, "we will pay all your bills" fund).
15. Also, since the $40 billion in net worth of the church is mostly tied up in church properties and not cash or bonds or stocks, should the church sell all its property (temples, meetinghouses, welfare facilities, seminary and institute buildings) to purchase all these houses for the poor?
16. The real cash holdings (endowment or trust) of the LDS Church is in their "rainy-day fund" is much less than 40 billion and more like $1-2 billion which is regulated by 501c3 laws.
17. Won't the Church get a better deal when they buy contaminated land in MO after nuclear war than before?

For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left, and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. (Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 22:3)

[Robert Sinclair]

The church could liquidate all surplus assets, plus put out a call to the rich and learned wise and noble of the church to assist the members where ever they may live, to own their own homes, if allowed by law, with covenants and deeds that cannot be broken, and the country is a safe place to do this.

The time to build a city in one place quickly has passed, for back in the early 1830s vast tracts of land in the United States were wide open, and they missed the easy chance when the church was small to do that, back in the 1830s.

For now let them own there own where legal and safe, where all have sufficient for the wants and needs of their families, where because of this righteousness, the LORD has promised to come to the leaders, face to face, saying "Here I am", and give further instructions on where to build a specific city of the New Jerusalem of his will.

This does not have to be his coming in great power to destroy all the wicked first, but as with Moroni meeting Joseph Smith, or Jesus Christ, meetings can be held, and further instructions can be given, where and how, a specific city can be purchased and built, according to face to face meetings as promised.

Because of breaking every yoke, undoing every heavy burden, setting these of poverty and oppression free, the LORD has promised to come and meet with these leaders, and give further instruction, should they do this, and earnestly seek his face, with broken hearts and contrite spirits, fasting and prayer, as written in the Book of Joel and Isaiah, bringing his bride out of the closet, that the bridegroom may come forth.

$40 billion is just the tiny tip of the iceberg of wealth, held by the wealthy of the church, with the united assets of all the saints.

And once started, where rental money is no longer thrown out the window each month, watch how quickly the wealth of the members united grows, and prospers.♡

Let it be as the LORD has given this House of Ephraim instructions to gather together the rich and learned the wise and noble, to figure out the best ways to get the will of God done, and how best to have well prepared, this feast of fat things for the poor. This will cause the members of this church hearts to gladden with great joy and happiness to know a way is being sought to prepare to meet the LORD, even as the Jews have asked their people this year of 5776, to unite as a people, to prepare to meet God.

As I had mentioned before, mortgages and loans, could be currently be paid down on homes here in the U.S. tax free at $14,000.00 per individual gifts, being given to families until homes were paid off, if resonable for the wants and needs of the families. This until laws are amended to allow more, working with Senators like Orrin Hatch, and Ron Wyden, of Ephraim and Judah.♡

And those who's hearts were changed to truly desire to only have sufficient for their wants and needs and not more, could find homes that truly matched their needs and wants, shedding all excess if not needed, as decided by the families and bishops, with the goal in mind to see that all in their branches and wards and stakes, had homes of their own as well. Look to Jacob 5, for guidence, this work in the vineyard will require some digging and pruning, and labor as yet, to get the roots and the tops thereof to be as one, and equal, but because of keeping "all" his commandments, it gets done.♡

How wonderful is that?♡

[Robert Sinclair]

davedan,

Use the guidelines given of the LORD, for the members being baptized and confirmed, of D&C 20:37 & 68-69 for your question #11.♡

You should not have much to worry about then.♡

And as far as new buildings, put on hold what can easily be put on hold, until all had homes of their own, so before God, he would see, we were laboring to amend our ways and doings, to see members were equal in their temporal things, and this not grudgingly, first and foremost, before further building, as required in D&C 42. ♡

Strengthen members where possible where they live that together the whole can be strengthened, and unite some day soon, in one place or many, if called upon by Jesus Christ, face to face, to so do soon, in the not too distant future, if needed.♡

[deep water]

davedan; you look at the proposed Gospel through your leaders eyes. Robert looks at the true Gospel through Christs eyes. If you or the leaders or anyone wants to be called Christs, they have to follow Christs commandments. Also in order to follow Christs commandments you have to know what Christs commandments are. Christ told the rich young man that he would have to unload before he could enter through the Gate. Your leaders will also have to unload before they can enter through the Gate, they do not get any special passes by virtue of their position. No one does, only those who DO not just SAY.
It is not in the giving everyone a home, it is about personally unloading to gain axcess, by gaining Christs respect by unloading, and learning to live in and developing faith, instead of by the arm of flesh.

[davedan]

Robert,

The church could liquidate all surplus assets,

Which church assets are surplus?

and they missed the easy chance when the church was small to do that, back in the 1830s.

The LDS Church was on the brink of bankruptcy and has not been completely out of debt until Pres Lorenzo Snow in 1907.

The Church did purchase and distribute land in Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and Utah but the land was confiscated by mobs or the Federal Government each time.

[davedan]

LDS Church Assets that serve as a basis for LDS Welfare Services and generate taxable profits:

AgReserves Inc. - the largest producer of nuts in the United States (circa. 1997)

Beneficial Financial Group - An insurance and financial services company with assets of $3.1 billion.

Bonneville International - the 14th largest radio chain in the U.S.

Deseret News - a daily Utah newspaper, second-largest in the state of Utah.

Farmland Reserve Inc. - 228,000 acres (923 km²) in Nebraska,; 51,600 acres in Osage County, Oklahoma; and over 312,000 acres (1,260 km²) in Florida (dba Deseret Cattle and Citrus).

Hawaii Reserves, Inc. - Miscellaneous church holdings in Hawaii. When combined with the Polynesian Cultural Center (the leading paid visitor attraction in Hawaii) and Brigham Young University-Hawaii, LDS Church-related entities generated revenue of $260 million for the Hawaii economy in 2005.

Property Reserve, Inc. - City Creek Center in Salt Lake City value of $1.5 billion.

[Robert Sinclair]

I just text from what I have seen written in the "One Stick", and by prayer that I might help, be an instrument, in the hands of God, to help in this, redemption of Zion. I have as yet much fasting to be done along with prayer, to help, purify and sanctify my heart.♡

I hope many can see, I desire to help and not harm, this House of Ephraim, and it's invited guests.♡

Let it be as it is written, a feast of fat things, well prepared, by the rich and learned, and the wise and noble, of this church, for the poor.

Let meetings and discussions be held to work upon, accomplishment, of seeing we are equal in our temporal things, and this not grudgingly, to prepare to meet God.

For now, let a call go up to the leaders, of a desire, to so do, that by next April General Conference, things are set in motion, to accomplish the will of God, that we keep all his commandments which he has given us.♡

[davedan]

Robert,


President Gordon B. Hinkley said on this issue:

"We have felt that good farms, over a long period, represent a safe investment where the assets of the Church may be preserved and enhanced, while at the same time they are available as an agricultural resource to feed people should there come a time of need.”


We are nearing a time when the the agricultural resources of the Church will be needed to feed the people. Following war, farmland is the best investment imaginable.

The Church will be in a perfect position to implement the United Order at this time which may not be far off.

Don't assume the Apostles and Prophets are ignorant of scripture.

[Robert Sinclair]

I do not take the position of anything other than that Ephraim has perverted all equity, that the scriptures be fullfilled every whit.

And that the cry is to go out, of weeping and howling, and sounding the alarm, for these things from the sheep of the Good Shepherd, that hear his voice to so do, that the old men, and husbandmen, and vinedressers, might give ear and be ashamed, and acknowledge this offence, and atone, by bringing his bride out of the closet.

You may do as your heart desires.♡

[davedan]

Ephraim has perverted all equity,

Yes, this is true. But I wouldn't point my finger at the Lord's anointed.

The Lord will make bare his arm before the eyes of all the nations soon enough, and the Church (bride) will soon come out of the desert, unveil her face in all her glory and resplendent beauty.

It's not time yet. But soon will be.

[Robert Sinclair]

It is not I davedan, but the Lord, that has pointed out through the "One Stick", that it is his annointed and called and elected, and honored, of the heads of Jacob, and princes of his House of Israel of Ephraim, that have perverted all equity.

Look and see.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

How can Ephraim go unto the Gentile nations of this earth saying, we have the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, of "All things common among us" as in the first church set up by Peter and the Twelve, in the Book of Acts, and using our Book of Mormon as a second witness of this fullness of the gospel of "All things common among us", set up by the Twelve Jesus Christ chose, to set up his second church, soon thereafter, in the Americas, as testified in 3rd and 4th Nephi, in all truthfullness and soberness, that we have done the same with our current Twelve, if we have not?

Something to ponder upon deeply, called the truth.♡

[Robert Sinclair]

You might be able to fool some of the people, but you will never be able to then go to the Jews, as a people, and fool them, this I can easily say, because I personally know many of them, and they are much wiser than many give them credit.♡

You have the truth, then manifest it in your people first, then come and talk with them.♡

[Darren]

Samuel Adams, the organizer of the War for Independence, pointing to the word Socage in the Charter of Connecticut, as the reason for the break from the Bank of England controlled English Crown.

Socage is an American Right, an ancestral right from the primitive church, to own by covenant and absolute deed your stewardship, land, material possessions and freedom to work for the good of humanity.

President Benson and his collaborator only missed this one word, for the explanation of what they could see was the true United Order.

Thank Goodness for the return of the Scriptures of the lost tribes of Israel to get the elders aware of that word Socage again.

See you in Zion, God Bless,
Darren

P.S. Read these books on Socage, your Gospel Rights American Birthright.
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[Robert Sinclair]

That Ezra Taft Benson said-----

"The united order was entered by “a covenant and a deed which cannot be broken” (D&C 42:30), according to the scriptures."

"The bishop then deeds back to the consecrator by legal instrument the amount of personal property required by the individual for the support of himself and his family, and as the Lord declares, “according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3). This becomes the private, personal property of the individual to develop as he sees fit. It is his stewardship. When an individual produces a profit or surplus more than is needful for the support of himself and his family, the surplus is then placed in the bishops storehouse to administer to the poor and the needy." Under the united order, idleness has no place, and greed, selfishness, and covetousness are condemned."

"The united order may therefore operate with only a righteous people."

"Equality, as described by the Lord, is “equal[ity] according to [a man’s] family, according to his circumstances and his wants and needs” (D&C 51:3)".

"In other words, it is not uniformity, sameness in number or quality, rather it is an equality where each man will have sufficient according to the size of his family, his circumstances, his wants and needs."

"Is the united order a communal system? Emphatically not. It never has been and never will be. It is “intensely individualistic.” Does the united order eliminate private ownership of property?

No."

“The fundamental principle of this system [is] the private ownership of property” (J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1942, p. 57)."

"Two separate groups of saints have fully implemented this divine law. The first was the united order under Enoch, wherein the Lord designated this people Zion, “because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” We read of this in the seventh chapter of Moses, eighteenth verse, of Moses, in the Pearl of Great Price. A second instance was the Nephite civilization following the visit of the Savior to the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection. This is recorded in 4 Nephi, the third verse particularly."


"The failure of the early Saints in this dispensation to live according to the fulness of the law is explained by the Lord in Revelation recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants, sections 101 and 105."

Yes, I read 105:2-5

"Behold, I say unto you, were it not for the transgressions of my people, speaking concerning-----


the church and not individuals,



they might have been redeemed even now.
But behold they have not learned to be obedient to the things which I required at their hands, but are full of all manner of evil, and do not impart of their ($40,000,000,000.00 and growing) substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them;
And are not united according to the union required by the law of the celestial kingdom;
And Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom;
otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself.

Ezra, bless his heart, must have missed this part.♡


But he was right "private property" was needed.

And he was right the bishops were from the storehouse admisister to the poor and needy these things.

The storehouse is filled by "tithes and offerings".

None can deny this fact.

The part missing still is from the storehouse to the poor and needy part, from the bishops, as required by celestial law, according to their needs and wants, according to the size of his family.

No private property has been deeded out to the poor and needy still to date, pending not Jesus Christ coming back and again commanding this be done, but pending "the church, and not individuals" to decide, to begin to do this, from the $40,000,000,000.00 and growing assets of the church, and a feast of fat things, well prepared, from the rich and learned wise and noble of this church, for there is more than enough and to spare to do this, all the leaders need do is ask.♡

We can go into any law firm, group of Jewish Rabbi, Christian Pastors, Muslim leaders, "60 Minute" investigative reportes, and go over what is written and see if they all agree-----

That our own book, the Doctrine and Covenants section 105:2-5 says it is-----

"The church and not individuals"

that do not impart of their $40,000,000,000.00 and growing substance, as becometh saints, to the poor and afflicted among them.

This for homes and lands, yes private property, as Benson admitted, was the intent of the "United Order".

Maybe we shall yet see a change soon, and a return to keep this celestial law of God.♡

And freedomforall,

not just 105 but look at section 101 which Benson points out as a reason why, as well, Zion is not redeemed.

Who are these men upon the watch tower fallen asleep?

And who are these that have put the money out to the exchangers, instead of doing that which the LORD of the vineyard had asked?

Things to ponder upon, with all the other warnings given.♡