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Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:19 pm
by Sirocco
Finrock wrote:
Sirocco wrote:Life has dealt some a low hand, and sometimes they don't get a better one.
So technology will come and offer them one.

And I for one welcome it.
Hi Sirocco! :)

For what it is worth to you Sirocco, in the end we must learn to place our trust in God the Father and in His Son Jesus Christ. All mortals and all things made by mortals will ultimately fail us.

-Finrock
True, that is true

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:19 pm
by Melissa
Fiannan wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
Magus wrote:Well, what if the husband and wife wanna bring an android into the mix with them? It's just an android, no soul, not human, so basically it'd just be a tool helping facilitate whatever kinky hijinks the husband and wife are up to, which could arguably not be offensive to the Spirit, depending on what it specifically is. Arguably. :P
Magus, are you LDS? Do you think the church would approve of couples watching pornography together? I think it would fall into that category.
No soul, well...who knows what the future might enable?

Hey, the new technologies will develop faster than human society can handle the change. Not since the days of Noah have we had such infinite possibilities with a new dawn of humanity approaching.
Unless the soul is something different than the spirt....? Not possible.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:29 pm
by Fiannan
I guess this is your method of response when you are caught. Posting a bunch of worldly pseudo-psych crap to try to make it sound like you were simply offering information.
Please don't tell a Muslim that the Hadith is pseudo-psych crap.

You have on several occasions expressed this fantasy that women are all secretly lesbians and ought to act on their proclivities because you claim it is not prohibited by the bible.
The Bible does not say that marrying a 12 year-old cousin is wrong either but I have never, ever said people should do it. If you can show me where I have said that women should all go and get into a same-sex relationship I would appreciate it. I have only pointed to trends taking place in society and why.
This is an LDS forum and LDS standards ought to be upheld, and that includes the FACT that the LDS church does not approve of ANY same sex relations--which includes same sex relations between women. It doesn't matter what the world chooses to do, LDS adherents will not be joining in.

There are websites which would welcome your posts on this subject, why don't you share them there.
By the way, here is an interesting quote from the Bible:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Exodus 20: 16

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:33 pm
by Fiannan
Unless the soul is something different than the spirt....? Not possible.
I meant that if we make artificial intelligence a bit too lifelike we may risk that spirits other than human, in the way we perceive them, may be able to inhabit such artificial life forms. A very dangerous possibility in my opinion.

As for the original post, I really do see a breakdown in marriage. In fact Paul Joseph Watson just posted this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afu1Rwlggf8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; The subject is why men are avoiding marriage now.

This is infecting the Church big-time. Many members would never touch a drop of alcohol but Satan can use resentment towards a spouse to break their testimony. Many members would never have an affair but turn what they see as rejection to a justification of using porn. Many members would defend the Church leaders against an armed mob, but choose to ignore the many talks about husbands and wives creating a Christ-centered home and never screaming at each other or cutting each other down. And many young men sacrifice two years of their lives on a mission, even in hostile lands, but are now too scared to find a woman and commit to a marriage and the creation of a family.

Being in the world but not of it does not just mean not watching dirty movies, it means recognizing the influences that employ weaponized psychology to get us to abandon our faith in god-given commandments to multiply and replenish the earth. Then we must combat them wherever they pop up - a children's movie, a toy commercial, a music video, a school textbook...everywhere.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:35 pm
by Col. Flagg
Interesting thread. Anyone know how to increase my wife's libido? We're sexually active, but it seems to take about 30-45 days for her hormones to get interested in intimacy again after the last time. Our sex life has never been better in terms of passion and intimacy, but dang, I wish it was more than just every 30-45 days. I'd prefer 2-3 times a month is all, but she's once every 1.5 months. And I don't feel good about asking her to take anything to get more interested or to fake interest just for me - would rather it was a natural thing, but I guess all women have different libidos. I even had a vasectomy last year (have 4 kids) and it seemed to get her more interested not having to worry about bearing children anymore and it used to be once every 2-3 months, but still, every 1.5 months is difficult as I am a very affectionate individual and it can be hard to get her 'in the mood'.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 1:39 pm
by Sirocco
A coat made of money.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 3:25 pm
by Magus
Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much.

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 3:51 pm
by iWriteStuff
Magus wrote:Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much.

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)
Robot threesome?!?!?!

Ok, now I finally have a place to use this:
glorybe.jpg
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Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 4:22 pm
by AI2.0
Magus wrote:Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much. I'm not a man, I'm a woman. Do you still think I should 'chillllll' at your sexist joking?

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?Are you seriously going to suggest that? As I said, if you think threesomes in an LDS plural marriage is just fine, you are disgusting, offensive and you don't know Mormons. I'm especially offended because my Polygamist ancestors don't deserve to be the butt of your crude jokes. This IS a pro LDS forum that ought to uphold LDS standards, and suggesting 'threesomes' among the faithful who entered this type of marriage because they believed it was commanded by God and were sealed in the temple by priesthood authority is offensive. The fact that you think discussing whether 'threesomes' would be okay in an LDS plural marriage only shows your immaturity and your lack of understanding of LDS values and teachings. It is also NOT a topic that ought to be acceptable on a pro-LDS board, IMO.

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)
Actually, subjects that are controversial ought to be approached with caution and not jest. Some people struggle with sexual problems within a marriage, mature and sensitive people recognize what is and is not appropriate to say.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:11 pm
by Rose Garden
You're a woman! I would have never guessed!

Honestly, I'm frequently unsure what is appropriate to say and what's not. Of course, there is some debate over whether or not I am a mature person.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:21 pm
by Magus
iWriteStuff wrote:
Magus wrote:Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much.

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)
Robot threesome?!?!?!

Ok, now I finally have a place to use this:
glorybe.jpg
I think a lot of people would be into that, actually - either inside or outside of the Church. Inside the Church, more secretly so. So, a lot of people probably wouldn't find it stupid.

Anyway, off topic, we don't need to go here if nobody wants to. Someone just mentioned robots and I thought I'd seize the moment. Settle down kiddos. :)

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:22 pm
by Magus
Jezebel wrote:You're a woman! I would have never guessed!

Honestly, I'm frequently unsure what is appropriate to say and what's not. Of course, there is some debate over whether or not I am a mature person.
By all means, say whatever you want. Maybe it will help me not look so bad :P

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:25 pm
by Magus
AI2.0 wrote:
Magus wrote:Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much. I'm not a man, I'm a woman. Do you still think I should 'chillllll' at your sexist joking?

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?Are you seriously going to suggest that? As I said, if you think threesomes in an LDS plural marriage is just fine, you are disgusting, offensive and you don't know Mormons. I'm especially offended because my Polygamist ancestors don't deserve to be the butt of your crude jokes. This IS a pro LDS forum that ought to uphold LDS standards, and suggesting 'threesomes' among the faithful who entered this type of marriage because they believed it was commanded by God and were sealed in the temple by priesthood authority is offensive. The fact that you think discussing whether 'threesomes' would be okay in an LDS plural marriage only shows your immaturity and your lack of understanding of LDS values and teachings. It is also NOT a topic that ought to be acceptable on a pro-LDS board, IMO.

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)
Actually, subjects that are controversial ought to be approached with caution and not jest. Some people struggle with sexual problems within a marriage, mature and sensitive people recognize what is and is not appropriate to say.
No disrespect, but...

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Seriously - and most people, if not everyone, ends up having a sexual issue in marriage at some point. If you haven't read the entire thread, I actually posted a very thoughtful and mature response earlier. Doesn't mean one has to always be utterly straight-faced about everything. Come on. Robots. Don't worry, I'm not expecting you to laugh. But not everyone is gonna be as stone-faced on some things as you might wish.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:33 pm
by AI2.0
Col. Flagg wrote:Interesting thread. Anyone know how to increase my wife's libido? We're sexually active, but it seems to take about 30-45 days for her hormones to get interested in intimacy again after the last time. Our sex life has never been better in terms of passion and intimacy, but dang, I wish it was more than just every 30-45 days. I'd prefer 2-3 times a month is all, but she's once every 1.5 months. And I don't feel good about asking her to take anything to get more interested or to fake interest just for me - would rather it was a natural thing, but I guess all women have different libidos. I even had a vasectomy last year (have 4 kids) and it seemed to get her more interested not having to worry about bearing children anymore and it used to be once every 2-3 months, but still, every 1.5 months is difficult as I am a very affectionate individual and it can be hard to get her 'in the mood'.
Every couple is different, but I think being honest about your desires is the first step. Because in the church we don't usually have sexual relations before marriage, it is a learning curve and adjustment for couples to get in sync with eachother's desires and expectations. Some spouses don't seem to realize that sexual relations are not just for procreation but to create a bond--to develop a special, intimate connection with your spouse, not just sexual gratification and release. So, that would be my advice...talk to her about it and see if you can help her understand that you'd like to be intimate with her more often and maybe she'll come to find that even if she wasn't 'in the mood' at the time, she might just get in the mood.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:35 pm
by AI2.0
Magus wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
Magus wrote:Some of you need to chiiiiiiillllll. I'm looking at you, Senor AI2.0. The aspiring righteous indignation is just a little too much. I'm not a man, I'm a woman. Do you still think I should 'chillllll' at your sexist joking?

Serious and valid question to consider open-mindedly: If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?Are you seriously going to suggest that? As I said, if you think threesomes in an LDS plural marriage is just fine, you are disgusting, offensive and you don't know Mormons. I'm especially offended because my Polygamist ancestors don't deserve to be the butt of your crude jokes. This IS a pro LDS forum that ought to uphold LDS standards, and suggesting 'threesomes' among the faithful who entered this type of marriage because they believed it was commanded by God and were sealed in the temple by priesthood authority is offensive. The fact that you think discussing whether 'threesomes' would be okay in an LDS plural marriage only shows your immaturity and your lack of understanding of LDS values and teachings. It is also NOT a topic that ought to be acceptable on a pro-LDS board, IMO.

That is where my comment came from, about the androids. It was partially in jest, but also partially serious. Some subjects are so controversial, the best way to approach them is in partial jest, and that's what I did. So chiiiiillllll. Please. Learn to consider people fairly and without looking down your nose at them, and you'll be a lot more respected and taken seriously yourself. Or you can just be a stuffy ol' grump. Your choice. :)
Actually, subjects that are controversial ought to be approached with caution and not jest. Some people struggle with sexual problems within a marriage, mature and sensitive people recognize what is and is not appropriate to say.
Oh, I didn't even see all the pink stuff. But I'll respond to it now.

Sexist? C'mon, sister. B-)

I've also been a Mormon all my life, so believe me, I know Mormons.

Sorry you're closed to the idea of a threesome. Lol. (just sounds hilarious saying that). In all soberness though - I can see where it could be okay (and that's not me saying it IS.) Sorry you can't. But as with all things, prayer and fasting. "Hey God, is this okay? Cuz that would be so cool..." I'm actually being serious. Take your sexuality to God. What's wrong with that?

I'm not making polygamists the butt of any jokes at all. Sorry you are interpreting it that way, Madame.

Me suggesting the possibliity of a threesome being legit in a plural marriage scenario (whether it be two guys and a girl or two girls and a guy) isn't anti LDS in the least. It's just exploring a legitimate sexual topic. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.
Magus, you can think I'm grumpy and need to chill, but I'm done talking to you.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:41 pm
by Magus
That's cool.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 5:48 pm
by Rose Garden
Magus wrote:
Jezebel wrote:You're a woman! I would have never guessed!

Honestly, I'm frequently unsure what is appropriate to say and what's not. Of course, there is some debate over whether or not I am a mature person.
By all means, say whatever you want. Maybe it will help me not look so bad :P
Been there. Done that. Enjoying watching someone else get barbecued for once.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 6:36 pm
by Magus
Mmmm, barbecue.

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 7:02 pm
by Col. Flagg
AI2.0 wrote:
Col. Flagg wrote:Interesting thread. Anyone know how to increase my wife's libido? We're sexually active, but it seems to take about 30-45 days for her hormones to get interested in intimacy again after the last time. Our sex life has never been better in terms of passion and intimacy, but dang, I wish it was more than just every 30-45 days. I'd prefer 2-3 times a month is all, but she's once every 1.5 months. And I don't feel good about asking her to take anything to get more interested or to fake interest just for me - would rather it was a natural thing, but I guess all women have different libidos. I even had a vasectomy last year (have 4 kids) and it seemed to get her more interested not having to worry about bearing children anymore and it used to be once every 2-3 months, but still, every 1.5 months is difficult as I am a very affectionate individual and it can be hard to get her 'in the mood'.
Every couple is different, but I think being honest about your desires is the first step. Because in the church we don't usually have sexual relations before marriage, it is a learning curve and adjustment for couples to get in sync with eachother's desires and expectations. Some spouses don't seem to realize that sexual relations are not just for procreation but to create a bond--to develop a special, intimate connection with your spouse, not just sexual gratification and release. So, that would be my advice...talk to her about it and see if you can help her understand that you'd like to be intimate with her more often and maybe she'll come to find that even if she wasn't 'in the mood' at the time, she might just get in the mood.
Thanks for that personal response AI - I'll give that a try and return and report. ;)

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 27th, 2015, 11:05 pm
by Fiannan
I'm not a man, I'm a woman. Do you still think I should 'chillllll' at your sexist joking?
How was he being sexist? And what difference does it make if you are a man or a woman?

I think this thread may, just may, be illustrating a very important point. In the Church we are still in that 1950s, "Not proper for mixed company" sort of mindset. You just ain't supposed to discuss anything, even in a joking manner, about sexual topics when the sisters are present. That is not helped by a culture that has gone all PC - you know, in the workplace the gals at lunch can discuss topics that would have make a WW2 merchant marine sailor blush but if a guy dares utter a comment about a certain actress being attractive then he might face a sexual harassment complaint filed with the boss.

So we live in a toxic Church environment that facilitates poor openness between the sexes and a toxic American culture that is hyper-sexualized but yet selectively threatens males who interact in it. No wonder men are flocking to porn - I remember reading something a feminist (not a gender feminist though) who said that porn was the last place in today's society that people can see humanity in a more honest light. That is really, really sad. Then in the Church we are supposed to treat women as "the weaker sex" but then wonder why this causes breakdowns in discussions in marriage? A lot of this may be a reflection of the Victorian age but that era was one in which the upper classes, including the lady that gave it the name, was full of vice. Maybe the more we have true equality the less problems we will see in marriages -- and that means seeing women as biological as well as spiritual beings and all topics in a marriage being fair to discuss.

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 2:58 am
by Elizabeth
There is no reason to slander Queen Victoria. Nor the 50's. I personally would much prefer to live in the 50's world, than todays' world.

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Posted: October 28th, 2015, 3:11 am
by Fiannan
Elizabeth wrote:There is no reason to slander Queen Victoria. Nor the 50's. I personally would much prefer to live in the 50's world, than todays' world.
My wife roped me into watching a documentary on Queen Victoria -- and it was made in England I might add. Not a nice lady to her children. Oh, and let us not forget that whole thing about the British Empire and the drug trade in opium. The Brits made a fortune.

And while I too admire the 1950s in regards to family values there was aspects in regards to male-female relations and such that were not so nice. Is it any wonder the children of that era rebelled? And also, did you know the 1950s era owed a lot to Sigmund and Anna Freud? Check out the 2nd part of "Century of the Self."

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:39 pm
by EmmaLee
Magus wrote:If plural marriage is okay - is it okay to have a threesome with your spouses? If yes, what would the parameters be? If no, why not?
You are not the first to present this scenario on this forum. Plural marriage is not part of the Church at this time, at least not for mortal people, so the question is currently moot (of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic). The Family: A Proclamation answers your question though. I'm aware that most posters on this forum do not believe in the validity of the LDS Church or the Brethren, and if you're one of them, it's doubtful you'll care what the Proclamation says - but on the outside chance you do give it any credence, these excerpts answer your question -

"We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife."

In a plural marriage, the wife is wedded to the husband. Two wives are not wedded to each other. They are all separate marriages, therefore, two or more wives in a plural marriage should not be sexually active with each other, whether their husband is present or not.

Also -

"We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God."

Again, there is no configuration of women having sexual relations with each other that does not violate the covenants/law of chastity. Just like there is no configuration of men having sexual relations with each other that does not violate the covenants/law of chastity.

Also, from Gospel Principles -

"God has commanded us that only in marriage between a man and a woman are we to have sexual relations. This commandment is called the law of chastity. We are to have sexual relations only with our spouse to whom we are legally married. No one, male or female, is to have sexual relations before marriage. After marriage, sexual relations are permitted only with our spouse."

"Like other violations of the law of chastity, homosexual behavior is a serious sin. Latter-day prophets have spoken about the dangers of homosexual behavior and about the Church’s concern for people who may have such inclinations. President Gordon B. Hinckley said:

“In the first place, we believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord.

“People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are.

“We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1998, 91; or Ensign, Nov. 1998, 71)."

Women having sexual relations together, in any configuration, is violating the covenants and laws of chastity. Women in a plural marriage, are NOT married to each other - they are each, individually and separately, married to the man. It is not a "group" marriage. There is no sanctioned "group sex". Is this really a question in some members minds?

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 7:44 pm
by Magus
I was really just poking the hornet's nest, no big deal. If you guys want to talk about threesomes though, be my guest. Thanks for your response. I agree with some but not all of it, per se. But it doesn't matter. :)

Re: What wives can do to help husbands be interested in sex again

Posted: October 28th, 2015, 8:03 pm
by Melissa
Fiannan wrote:
I'm not a man, I'm a woman. Do you still think I should 'chillllll' at your sexist joking?
How was he being sexist? And what difference does it make if you are a man or a woman?

I think this thread may, just may, be illustrating a very important point. In the Church we are still in that 1950s, "Not proper for mixed company" sort of mindset. You just ain't supposed to discuss anything, even in a joking manner, about sexual topics when the sisters are present. That is not helped by a culture that has gone all PC - you know, in the workplace the gals at lunch can discuss topics that would have make a WW2 merchant marine sailor blush but if a guy dares utter a comment about a certain actress being attractive then he might face a sexual harassment complaint filed with the boss.

So we live in a toxic Church environment that facilitates poor openness between the sexes and a toxic American culture that is hyper-sexualized but yet selectively threatens males who interact in it. No wonder men are flocking to porn - I remember reading something a feminist (not a gender feminist though) who said that porn was the last place in today's society that people can see humanity in a more honest light. That is really, really sad. Then in the Church we are supposed to treat women as "the weaker sex" but then wonder why this causes breakdowns in discussions in marriage? A lot of this may be a reflection of the Victorian age but that era was one in which the upper classes, including the lady that gave it the name, was full of vice. Maybe the more we have true equality the less problems we will see in marriages -- and that means seeing women as biological as well as spiritual beings and all topics in a marriage being fair to discuss.
I like it when guys don't talk about sex in front of me or around me. There is a certain Time it's okay and that's when we are talking about it respectfully. Women should do the same, but I have noticed that women have some conversations that I find worse than what men have.

I also think that most people don't have a problem seeing women as biological as well as spiritual.