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What is Anti-Mormon? This term is thrown around an awful lot.
I have seen many true disciples of Christ be called Anti-Mormon. Many of these people even have temple recommends and work in the temple, and yet are called anti-mormon.

What is Mormonism?
What is Anti?

This term is used far too often, usually just because someone doesn't want to consider other person's opinion. Even if you disagree with someone, does that mean that you are a friggin Saint and the person you disagree with is Anti-Mormon?

Honestly, I prefer talking to Born Again Christians and other religious people about the Gospel and the Doctrine of CHrist than with most Mormons. They are less inclined to be so rude about their beliefs and traditions, and more willing to talk about Jesus and his grace and his doctrine, and less willing to talk about their devotion to their pastors and other leaders.

If your devotion to something causes you to judge and mock your neighbor and call him names and degrade him, is what you are defending really something good? If it's good, should it not cause you to uplift people instead of dragging them down?

Who am I to judge my neighbor and call him/her apostate, anti mormon, foolish?

I feel foolish and evil when I find myself pointing out the flaws in others. I feel this way because I know it's wrong, in spite of the weakness of my flesh. Everyone here also knows that we are never justified in pointing out the flaws in others. Knowing this, why do we judge?

Mormon ,lds and so on the (titles) we give are selfs are meaningless.

The lord has defined who are his and who is not.

It's not a title we should be concerned about. Rather if we have a personal relationship with the lord and the Holy Ghost.

Since we can only serve one master. We are either gods or anti gods people.

We either serve the lord or satan.

D&c121 33-40
Says that the majority of lds are not gods people. That they fight against him.

So study scriptures ,examine your life. Make sure your putting the lord befor the world. Work toys status and so on.
Have the humility to know that more then likely you serve satan. And need to change sides!!! And soon!!!

Stahura wrote:What is Anti-Mormon?

Ummmm........Anything that makes a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uncomfortable?

Cookies wrote:

Stahura wrote:What is Anti-Mormon?

Ummmm........Anything that makes any particular a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uncomfortable? !

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Cookies wrote:

Stahura wrote:What is Anti-Mormon?

Ummmm........Anything that makes a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uncomfortable?

Apparently..

Stahura wrote:What is Anti-Mormon? This term is thrown around an awful lot.
I have seen many true disciples of Christ be called Anti-Mormon. Many of these people even have temple recommends and work in the temple, and yet are called anti-mormon.

What is Mormonism?
What is Anti?

This term is used far too often, usually just because someone doesn't want to consider other person's opinion. Even if you disagree with someone, does that mean that you are a friggin Saint and the person you disagree with is Anti-Mormon?

Honestly, I prefer talking to Born Again Christians and other religious people about the Gospel and the Doctrine of CHrist than with most Mormons. They are less inclined to be so rude about their beliefs and traditions, and more willing to talk about Jesus and his grace and his doctrine, and less willing to talk about their devotion to their pastors and other leaders.

Some people get excited about certain gospel topics. It seems to consume them. When other people aren't as interested, it can cause conflicts.

I've seen people post here who were LDS, but pushed their preferences to the point that they either resigned or were excommunicated. They continue to post their preferences, usually with ridicule or deriding the church or leaders. I consider this Anti Mormon.

When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

rewcox wrote:
When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

Not really.
I'm very open minded and I don't care if someone has a different opinion. It's wonderful when someone presents their opinion in a polite way. Too many Mormons pretend to "know" everything they believe, when they simply don't actually know, they just really really believe, or don't want to give up a tradition. I try to create environments where both people can learn from each other. I'm barely even talking about the conversations I've had in the forum. I'm talking about real life It's extremely frustrating when I'm talking to a Mormon who has admitted to having done very little scripture study, and yet has this attitude that they know everything and simply will not engage in a back and forth conversation where we can both learn.
Also, you mentioned if an opinion doesnt match standard Mormon doctrine.
The basic principles of the doctrine of Christ have deeper truths and meanings. A spiritually mature person who had a deeper understanding might receive revelation concerning these truths. Someone who isn't yet at that level of understanding will think that these deeper truths are false, when in reality it's actually true. Their level of understanding just prevents them from seeing it at that moment.

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:
When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

Not really.
I'm very open minded and I don't care if someone has a different opinion. It's wonderful when someone presents their opinion in a polite way. Too many Mormons pretend to "know" everything they believe, when they simply don't actually know, they just really really believe, or don't want to give up a tradition. I try to create environments where both people can learn from each other. I'm barely even talking about the conversations I've had in the forum. I'm talking about real life It's extremely frustrating when I'm talking to a Mormon who has admitted to having done very little scripture study, and yet has this attitude that they know everything and simply will not engage in a back and forth conversation where we can both learn.
Also, you mentioned if an opinion doesnt match standard Mormon doctrine.
The basic principles of the doctrine of Christ have deeper truths and meanings. A spiritually mature person who had a deeper understanding might receive revelation concerning these truths. Someone who isn't yet at that level of understanding will think that these deeper truths are false, when in reality it's actually true. Their level of understanding just prevents them from seeing it at that moment.

The people I mentioned who are now outside the church all received revelation. So did Korihor.

You are suggesting you have a higher level of understanding.

rewcox wrote:

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:
When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

Not really.
I'm very open minded and I don't care if someone has a different opinion. It's wonderful when someone presents their opinion in a polite way. Too many Mormons pretend to "know" everything they believe, when they simply don't actually know, they just really really believe, or don't want to give up a tradition. I try to create environments where both people can learn from each other. I'm barely even talking about the conversations I've had in the forum. I'm talking about real life It's extremely frustrating when I'm talking to a Mormon who has admitted to having done very little scripture study, and yet has this attitude that they know everything and simply will not engage in a back and forth conversation where we can both learn.
Also, you mentioned if an opinion doesnt match standard Mormon doctrine.
The basic principles of the doctrine of Christ have deeper truths and meanings. A spiritually mature person who had a deeper understanding might receive revelation concerning these truths. Someone who isn't yet at that level of understanding will think that these deeper truths are false, when in reality it's actually true. Their level of understanding just prevents them from seeing it at that moment.

The people I mentioned who are now outside the church all received revelation. So did Korihor.

You are suggesting you have a higher level of understanding.

I said nothing of my own understanding.

I'm talking about disciples of Christ, who have temple recommends to enter Mormon temples some who are temple workers who sustain Mormon leaders who are still called anti Mormon by other Mormons who are rude and pushy about their opinions who aren't willing to open their minds and consider new things.
I talked about this group of people in the OP

You bring up people who left the church who openly oppose the church leadership.
I'm not talking about those people, so why bring them up?

Stahura wrote:I'm talking about disciples of Christ, who have temple recommends to enter Mormon temples some who are temple workers who sustain Mormon leaders who are still called anti Mormon by other Mormons who are rude and pushy about their opinions who aren't willing to open their minds and consider new things.
I talked about this group of people in the OP

You bring up people who left the church who openly oppose the church leadership.
I'm not talking about those people, so why bring them up?

So tell me who these disciples of Christ are? I'm responding to your statements.

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:
When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

Not really.
I'm very open minded and I don't care if someone has a different opinion. It's wonderful when someone presents their opinion in a polite way. Too many Mormons pretend to "know" everything they believe, when they simply don't actually know, they just really really believe, or don't want to give up a tradition. I try to create environments where both people can learn from each other. I'm barely even talking about the conversations I've had in the forum. I'm talking about real life It's extremely frustrating when I'm talking to a Mormon who has admitted to having done very little scripture study, and yet has this attitude that they know everything and simply will not engage in a back and forth conversation where we can both learn.
Also, you mentioned if an opinion doesnt match standard Mormon doctrine.
The basic principles of the doctrine of Christ have deeper truths and meanings. A spiritually mature person who had a deeper understanding might receive revelation concerning these truths. Someone who isn't yet at that level of understanding will think that these deeper truths are false, when in reality it's actually true. Their level of understanding just prevents them from seeing it at that moment.

Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

rewcox wrote:

Stahura wrote:I'm talking about disciples of Christ, who have temple recommends to enter Mormon temples some who are temple workers who sustain Mormon leaders who are still called anti Mormon by other Mormons who are rude and pushy about their opinions who aren't willing to open their minds and consider new things.
I talked about this group of people in the OP

You bring up people who left the church who openly oppose the church leadership.
I'm not talking about those people, so why bring them up?

So tell me who these disciples of Christ are? I'm responding to your statements.

Various friends of mine. When I speak of people, I'm not always referring to this forum.

caddis wrote:Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Is this Stahura and Caddis?

caddis wrote:

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:
When you say you prefer to be around non Mormons, you are saying your opinions don't agree with standard Mormon doctrine. And when you are public about it, you invite feedback that you get.

Not really.
I'm very open minded and I don't care if someone has a different opinion. It's wonderful when someone presents their opinion in a polite way. Too many Mormons pretend to "know" everything they believe, when they simply don't actually know, they just really really believe, or don't want to give up a tradition. I try to create environments where both people can learn from each other. I'm barely even talking about the conversations I've had in the forum. I'm talking about real life It's extremely frustrating when I'm talking to a Mormon who has admitted to having done very little scripture study, and yet has this attitude that they know everything and simply will not engage in a back and forth conversation where we can both learn.
Also, you mentioned if an opinion doesnt match standard Mormon doctrine.
The basic principles of the doctrine of Christ have deeper truths and meanings. A spiritually mature person who had a deeper understanding might receive revelation concerning these truths. Someone who isn't yet at that level of understanding will think that these deeper truths are false, when in reality it's actually true. Their level of understanding just prevents them from seeing it at that moment.

Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Thank you for posting that scripture. That chapter is a part of the Book of Mormon that contains deeper truths that are part of the basic principles of the Gospel. There's a reason that Nephi lamented right after teaching the doctrine of Christ. He knew that many would not search, and would not understand.

rewcox wrote:

caddis wrote:Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Is this Stahura and Caddis?

So now you're calling me wicked ignorant and stick necked? And telling me that I don't understand great knowledge? And that I don't search the scriptures?

rewcox wrote:

caddis wrote:Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Is this Stahura and Caddis and Rewcox?

I added your name too Rewcox. I think we all fit into that category to some extent.

Stahura wrote:What is Anti-Mormon?

Cookies wrote:Ummmm........Anything that makes a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uncomfortable?

:ymapplause:
I would add that to be "anti-mormon" the deliverer of the stimulus that causes discomfort needs to be in conflict with the CURRENT president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If by chance the CURRENT president delivers the stimulus that causes discomfort if will most likely be regarded as "a righteous call to repentance" and an opportunity to hold to the iron rod. Further, if the CURRENT president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints presents a stimulus that causes discomfort and is in conflict with PAST presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints it will be regarded as revelation and be accompanied by a nice tag-line which will be regurgitated in every stake, in each ward, in every meeting, each sunday... by multiple "authorities"........ which will cause the "anti-mormon" discomfort.

It would seem that the formula for the phrase "anti-mormon", as it is commonly used, consists of not only "comfort" but also "authority".

That said, the name "Mormon" is way more significant than someone who compiled records. The name is associated with a restored covenant. Those entities that deny this restored covenant are "anti".

(side note: why was Mormon named Mormon? Understanding that could possibly change ones perspective of what it meas to be "Mormon")

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:

caddis wrote:Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Is this Stahura and Caddis?

So now you're calling me wicked ignorant and stick necked? And telling me that I don't understand great knowledge? And that I don't search the scriptures?

No, you are playing Nephi and calling others wicked. What did your disciples say or do that someone called them anti Mormon?

rewcox wrote:

Stahura wrote:

rewcox wrote:

caddis wrote:Your comment made me think of this...

2 Nephi 32:3-7

3 Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.

4 Wherefore, now after I have spoken these words, if ye cannot understand them it will be because ye ask not, neither do ye knock; wherefore, ye are not brought into the light, but must perish in the dark.

5 For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and receive the Holy Ghost, it will show unto you all things what ye should do.

6 Behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and there will be no more doctrine given until after he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh. And when he shall manifest himself unto you in the flesh, the things which he shall say unto you shall ye observe to do.

7 And now I, Nephi, cannot say more; the Spirit stoppeth mine utterance, and I am left to mourn because of the unbelief, and the wickedness, and the ignorance, and the stiffneckedness of men; for they will not search knowledge, nor understand great knowledge, when it is given unto them in plainness, even as plain as word can be.

Is this Stahura and Caddis?

So now you're calling me wicked ignorant and stick necked? And telling me that I don't understand great knowledge? And that I don't search the scriptures?

No, you are playing Nephi and calling others wicked. What did your disciples say or do that someone called them anti Mormon?

Look at my posts and show me one place that I called someone else wicked. Don't bare false witness.
They aren't my disciples, they are disciples of Christ. Who sustain the same leaders you do, who work in the same temples that you go to.

They did nothing but express their interpretation of the scriptures. Nothing more that occurs in this forum. Closed minded Mormons who get uncomfortable when their traditions are challenged immediately call them lost anti Mormons.

Stahura wrote:They aren't my disciples, they are disciples of Christ. Who sustain the same leaders you do, who work in the same temples that you go to.

They did nothing but express their interpretation of the scriptures. Nothing more that occurs in this forum. Closed minded Mormons who get uncomfortable when their traditions are challenged immediately call them lost anti Mormons.

What scriptures, where and how?

Is it that difficult to say," hmm interesting. I don't know if I agree with that, of course I haven't really studied and prayed about it so I don't know"?

It is usually " no, you are wrong, you are misguided and apostate"

So few are willing to conisider new ideas. Apparently mamy Mormons already have a complete understanding of the scriptures and the things of God and have a mission to find and label every apostate individual in the church.

rewcox wrote:

Stahura wrote:They aren't my disciples, they are disciples of Christ. Who sustain the same leaders you do, who work in the same temples that you go to.

They did nothing but express their interpretation of the scriptures. Nothing more that occurs in this forum. Closed minded Mormons who get uncomfortable when their traditions are challenged immediately call them lost anti Mormons.

What scriptures, where and how?

I'll give you the most simple example. At church in Sunday school, they were talking about the doctrine of Christ. One member mentioned the promise that we can all see God, that it's part of the doctrine of Christ.
Afterwards, a member took that person to the side and said not to get led astray by this teaching, that He taught blasphemy in class and that its apostate. That we cannot see God, it's reserved for the Prophet.

This is a well known doctrine, even by the people who are bothered when someone claims to have received the second comforter.
Seeing the face of God is a reality, and does happen. this member who had a limited understanding of Gods doctrine labeled this other member apostate. He was incorrect, and couldn't see further than his own level of understanding.

Stahura wrote:This is a well known doctrine, even by the people who are bothered when someone claims to have received the second comforter.
Seeing the face of God is a reality, and does happen. this member who had a limited understanding of Gods doctrine labeled this other member apostate. He was incorrect, and couldn't see further than his own level of understanding.

Did you do anything to help them out?

DS wrote a book about seeing the Savior. Later on, he wrote a book with a different version of church history.

It all depends on how someone approaches it.

rewcox wrote:

Stahura wrote:This is a well known doctrine, even by the people who are bothered when someone claims to have received the second comforter.
Seeing the face of God is a reality, and does happen. this member who had a limited understanding of Gods doctrine labeled this other member apostate. He was incorrect, and couldn't see further than his own level of understanding.

Did you do anything to help them out?

DS wrote a book about seeing the Savior. Later on, he wrote a book with a different version of church history.

It all depends on how someone approaches it.

I did. The person was able to see the scriptures and the quotes and understands that this was once openly taught in this church. Their understanding grew, and now they accept a truth they once rejected. This can happen at any level of understanding if we choose to close our minds and decide that we know everything.

As far as Denver Snuffer goes, that's another topic. I was englightened by many things he said, but I'm not a fan of some things that he's said about certain scriptures and doctrines, but I didn't find anything wrong with the history he shared. The church leaders who took part in the discipline apparently didn't find anything wrong with the history in the book.