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Good analysis in RT:

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He nails it pretty good. Although In speaking of the economy and America in general Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, top financial adviser in the Reagan administration and former editor of the Wall Street Journal recently stated: "This is a sign of a third world country. The United States is a failed state in every respect...in every respect. There is no strength here anywhere."

]Fiannan,

I am shocked... Shocked that you get your news from RT! That being said, there are many of us who feel that very difficult times are coming. Not only here in the US, but the rest of the world including Russia.

You think that our media is corrupt, and you only get straight scoop from RT. that is so much crap! I could point out many twists of facts in this article, but as a retired engineer who worked in automation most of my career, I will simply address their first ignorant assertion about the decline in farms and farming population with 2 little pictures!

Tractor 1935



Tractor 2015



Regards,

George Clay

Nice tractor...now gclayjr, you remember back when bacon was mostly lean meat? Wonder why it is mostly fat and the taste is less than it used to be...



Now as for ripping into RT, since the link was posted at Drudgereport do you also feel Drudge is not the best source? What are your favorite news sources? Just wondering.

PS, what do you think of Paul Craig Roberts?

Farming is getting better at producing more on less.

+ the government is paying farmers to not farm. C.r.p.

70% of all farming goes to feed animals which only produce 10% of our diet. And 20-50% of all farm ground is in crp depending on the year and when the contracts are up.

So there is a ton of improvement that could be made and soooo much more food could be produced.

That being said. America could produce 5 time it's current amount if people would turn their lawns into gardens and used the water for food instead of waisted cut grass.
So much waist. America could feed the world if we wanted.

Yet if we have trans-national corporations taking over all the small farmers they can, and if they can't then they promote GMOs then is that good? If, as you correctly point out, if we already pay farmers not to grow food then why do we need factory farms where animals are put through torture for their entire lives or GMOs?

The kings of the earth have committed fornication with the whore of all the earth...

The whore of the earth is international and without border....we all know the tribe that prints the money, owns the media and deceives the nations.

The Kingdom of God on the earth is international and too without border.

The only 2 kingdoms not in decline is The Kingdom of the Devil and The Kingdom Of God.

Out of the ashes of the whore controlled British/American Empire, in all it's darkness and deception, will rise the kingdom Of God, like the bright sun coming up in the morning...No more dark ages.

Good article.
Speaks a lot of sense and is pretty much what I believe many of us here feel. We can't go on as we are, something is going to have to give, and when it does the brown stuff is going to hit the fan.

Fiannan wrote:Yet if we have trans-national corporations taking over all the small farmers they can, and if they can't then they promote GMOs then is that good? If, as you correctly point out, if we already pay farmers not to grow food then why do we need factory farms where animals are put through torture for their entire lives or GMOs?

I don't think they do it right at all. Like I said. We as people could turn our lawns to gardens and produce 5 times as much food as the current system.

Every community would be its own organic farmers market.
All the farm land could be turned into organic free range cattle,sheep,goat,pig production.
The amount of fuel use and shipping would be cut so much. Fuel prices would drop.
But people love their lawns more then..... Their neighbors.

Ezra wrote:

Fiannan wrote:Yet if we have trans-national corporations taking over all the small farmers they can, and if they can't then they promote GMOs then is that good? If, as you correctly point out, if we already pay farmers not to grow food then why do we need factory farms where animals are put through torture for their entire lives or GMOs?

I don't think they do it right at all. Like I said. We as people could turn our lawns to gardens and produce 5 times as much food as the current system.

Every community would be its own organic farmers market.
All the farm land could be turned into organic free range cattle,sheep,goat,pig production.
The amount of fuel use and shipping would be cut so much. Fuel prices would drop.
But people love their lawns more then..... Their neighbors.

Interesting point about people loving their lawns.... This last weekend I was teaching a pistol safety class and remarked how I also own an air pistol. One of the students piped up and asked whether it was so I could shoot the rabbits that eat the grass in my front yard, since that's sort of a neighborhood-wide problem. I responded that I don't kill anything, least of all a rabbit who is by all rights perfectly entitled to eat a bit of grass out of my front yard. What is grass but seed, dirt and a little water? And how does that compare to the life of one of God's creations? Each time I think of the rabbits eating my yard, it reminds me of what Nibley said in Approaching Zion regarding meanness of spirit:

"As Paul also reminds us, it was when the people of Sodom and Gomorrah denied passing strangers and even the birds of heaven their share of the fruit on the trees that Abraham cursed them in the name of his God; according to the Midrash, their sexual aberrations were second in wickedness to such meanness of spirit."

Who am I to deny them what God has blessed me with? Ultimately, I think this approach to killing things that bother us even slightly is the wrong approach and will end us up in a lot of trouble. Same thing applies to when my daughter freaked out at a "spider" on the back porch the other day. My wife sent me out to see what it was. It was a centipede. She asked if I killed it, I said no. "Why not?" she asks. "Well, it wasn't hurting anyone." Why kill because we can?

Ok, sorry, seems like I might have gone off topic... pardon the rambling

iWriteStuff wrote:Interesting point about people loving their lawns.... This last weekend I was teaching a pistol safety class and remarked how I also own an air pistol. One of the students piped up and asked whether it was so I could shoot the rabbits that eat the grass in my front yard, since that's sort of a neighborhood-wide problem. I responded that I don't kill anything, least of all a rabbit who is by all rights perfectly entitled to eat a bit of grass out of my front yard. What is grass but seed, dirt and a little water? And how does that compare to the life of one of God's creations?

I hope you warned the student that sitting in front of their house with a gun of any type, shooting at rabbits, is a great way to see how quickly the police respond to an armed shooter report.

Regarding the front yard, I have seen news reports of people legally prosecuted for tearing up their front yard and planting a vegetable garden. It isn't just that people care about their lawns - they care so much that they are willing to use the force of law to make you maintain a front lawn. It is so bad that probably all of us have heard news stories about homeowners associations forcing residents to water their lawns in the middle of a drought and even after the government orders people to not water their lawns.

Regarding the rabbit, I have nothing against killing a rabbit - or any other food animal, but it will be eaten after being killed. I see killing as one more sign of the times, one more proof that society is about to collapse. People are happy to buy something called meat that comes on a Styrofoam tray and wrapped in plastic, deluding themselves into believing it was always like that, and at the same time vilifying anybody who kills an animal for food. I recall one person telling me about how angry their boss was Monday morning: on Sunday he had taken his family to a petting zoo, his boy asked why chickens have the same name as his favorite food, and the person asked gave an honest answer which really upset the boy.
There is an honesty to hunting. Coming face to face with a living animal and ending its life teaches you how valuable that meat is and that it should be respected. People living in a plastic wrap fantasy world are going to have a particularly hard time when the toilet modern society has become is flushed.

brianj wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:Interesting point about people loving their lawns.... This last weekend I was teaching a pistol safety class and remarked how I also own an air pistol. One of the students piped up and asked whether it was so I could shoot the rabbits that eat the grass in my front yard, since that's sort of a neighborhood-wide problem. I responded that I don't kill anything, least of all a rabbit who is by all rights perfectly entitled to eat a bit of grass out of my front yard. What is grass but seed, dirt and a little water? And how does that compare to the life of one of God's creations?

I hope you warned the student that sitting in front of their house with a gun of any type, shooting at rabbits, is a great way to see how quickly the police respond to an armed shooter report.

Regarding the front yard, I have seen news reports of people legally prosecuted for tearing up their front yard and planting a vegetable garden. It isn't just that people care about their lawns - they care so much that they are willing to use the force of law to make you maintain a front lawn. It is so bad that probably all of us have heard news stories about homeowners associations forcing residents to water their lawns in the middle of a drought and even after the government orders people to not water their lawns.

Regarding the rabbit, I have nothing against killing a rabbit - or any other food animal, but it will be eaten after being killed. I see killing as one more sign of the times, one more proof that society is about to collapse. People are happy to buy something called meat that comes on a Styrofoam tray and wrapped in plastic, deluding themselves into believing it was always like that, and at the same time vilifying anybody who kills an animal for food. I recall one person telling me about how angry their boss was Monday morning: on Sunday he had taken his family to a petting zoo, his boy asked why chickens have the same name as his favorite food, and the person asked gave an honest answer which really upset the boy.
There is an honesty to hunting. Coming face to face with a living animal and ending its life teaches you how valuable that meat is and that it should be respected. People living in a plastic wrap fantasy world are going to have a particularly hard time when the toilet modern society has become is flushed.

I'll agree that there's an honesty to hunting, as you say. I'll even agree with the rest of your comments re: eating meat in general and how it gets from pasture to plate. I eat meat. I love steak. I know there's more than a few dead cows out there with my name on them. And they tasted delicious :ymparty:

That being said, it's one thing to slaughter a cow/chicken/turkey/pig/tofu monster/whatever for consumption and another to exterminate an animal on the basis of annoyance or "pest control". I dunno, maybe I'm unnecessarily sensitive to that kinda thing. A few months back in our old house, we had a problem with mice. I set a bunch of traps, killed the mice, then reset the traps and killed some more. I probably killed about a dozen. Then I got to the 13th mouse and found him relatively "fresh", which is to say gasping its last breaths, and rather painfully. That's when I started questioning both my means and my motive. I ended up ordering humane traps that allowed me to catch them alive and then transport them somewhere else to release them.

As for something eating my front yard, have at it, Buck-o. There's not enough meat on a prairie rabbit to make killing them worth it, nor am I desperate enough to snuff them for it (still plenty of dead frozen cow in the freezer).

As per shooting stuff in your front yard, yes, we covered that in the "Don't be a friggin' idiot" section of the course ;)

Ok, had to add, after reading the article this part stuck out to me pretty strongly:

Today, if the supply lines go down, you are stuck in a house you can’t heat surrounded by millions of FDA-approved drug addicts who are going psycho because they have run out of juice and people who would murder their own grandmother to get a cut-price iPhone.

That's tricky reading, which you can interpret one of two ways:

1) The FDA approves of drug addicts. If the FDA had a Facebook account, the only thing they would "Like" are drug addicts and the fan page of Breaking Bad.

2) The FDA has created addicts by approving mood altering drugs for the general public in massively unreasonable quantities.

Honestly, though, has anyone ever known someone who has come off a mood altering FDA-approved drug and experienced withdrawals? That be some craaaaazy stuff right there.

Disclaimer Added: Don't worry, Grandma. I prefer Samsung phones. #:-s

iWriteStuff wrote:Honestly, though, has anyone ever known someone who has come off a mood altering FDA-approved drug and experienced withdrawals? That be some craaaaazy stuff right there.

I know the idea of a gathering is a very controversial subject on this forum, but antipsychotics and other mood altering drugs that are so commonly prescribed today make users so dangerous during withdrawal that I sincerely hope I am far from society and in a camp where the priesthood can be used on the few faithful who were tricked into this addiction.