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Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 12:23 pm
by markharr
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Playboy is about to find out how many people really do read it for the articles.
The magazine that helped usher in the sexual revolution in the 1950s and '60s by bringing nudity into America's living rooms — or at least its sock drawers — announced this week that it will no longer run photos of completely naked women.
Playboy has seen its circulation plunge in recent decades as it has fallen victim to some of the very forces it helped set in motion. First it had to deal with competition from more sexually explicit magazines like Penthouse and Hustler. Now the Internet is awash in high-definition porn.
Playboy has decided that the answer is less skin, not more.
"You're now one click away from every sex act imaginable for free. And so it's just passé at this juncture," Playboy Enterprises CEO Scott Flanders told The New York Times.
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Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 1:09 pm
by Fiannan
One of the alternatives to Facebook out there is extremely popular with younger women. Most of the posts are more feminist or emo, with some politics, but one thing that every young person knows is that it is filled with nudity. So if even social media has stuff that is on par with what magazines like Playboy are known for then I think that Playboy is in its final stages of life. Once it tones down on nudity it will lose whatever readers it used to have.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 1:50 pm
by Melissa
Im happy for this decision.
I predicted a while ago that stuff like this would happen. The limits of sexuality and provocativness have been pushed about as far as they can go and nudity can be found everywhere these days.
Our society is so sexualized and forced on the people, its no longer alluring as it used to be.
I remember when the only way to see body parts would be to get a jcpenny catalog or happen to see you parents. As a young girl, I was curious what would happen to my body and so I did look at jcpenny catalog. These days, kids can see way more at the checkout stand shopping with mom or dad and even see more in just the immodest way people dress and behave today.
Its no secret anymore and its not working anymore. People are so saturated, I suspect that we all need a breath of fresh air....say modesty or conservatism.
A modest woman is becoming so rare that they truly will be a gem in this perverse society.
I never did read or look at playboy so I have no idea but it almost seems like its the logo more than the nudity anyways that boys and men like to wear as a badge of manhood. Seriously, playboy or any nudity magazine seems pretty dumb today, we have the internet.
Anyway, its a nice move by playboy to be the first to tone it down and make sexuality a bit more tasteful. I always thought that people always look better with a little clothing.
Re: Pornography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 3:31 pm
by captainfearnot
Two ideas about this:
One, as prevalent as porn may be in our society, it is still not socially acceptable to read a Playboy magazine in public. So I see this as a move by Playboy to try to survive and compete in the few places where print media is still relevant: waiting rooms, airport terminals, public transportation, etc. I know the only time I ever consider grabbing a magazine to read is when I'm going to be around other people with time to kill.
Two, it used to be cool for A-list celebrities to pose nude in Playboy, but that's no longer considered a positive career move. Rising stars will appear in Maxim and GQ wearing next to nothing, but will no longer bare all in a Playboy spread the way they did in the 1970s. So Playboy is probably hoping this move will bring the big stars back to their magazine, and with them the cultural relevance they enjoyed in past decades. That's what made them one of the biggest brands in the world, after all.
Re: Pornography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 8:42 pm
by Sirocco
captainfearnot wrote:Two ideas about this:
One, as prevalent as porn may be in our society, it is still not socially acceptable to read a Playboy magazine in public.
That's what anime is for :))
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 8:52 pm
by David13
Well, as we all know, most people read Playboy for the articles anyway. Ha ha.
So maybe they just don't get good articles anymore, I don't know, as I don't think I ever read any of their articles.
I think it probably has more to do with printing costs, subscriber numbers, and advertising dollars as well as magazine stand sales.
dc
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 13th, 2015, 10:05 pm
by zionminded
As a Psychologist and MHC, I will tell you that porn is a big problem. What is happening here is PR, and to create a niche market, to bring softer porn to more people. Harder stuff is available out there in spades, of which the larger corporation I'm sure has their fingers.
Porn will reprogram you. If you find yourself using it to satisfy anything in you, I would HIGHLY suggest you seek help. You will need the help of more than your Bishop, don't feel embarrassed to ask for it. Its very, very common, but only a few are seeking help because they think they're the only one, or are embarrassed to ask for help.
Got a problem?.., read this:
You are wired to like sex, and sex is not evil, and you are not "bad" for liking porn, in and of itself. God doesn't care what you're doing, but he strongly cares what it is DOING to YOU. Satan exploits all your God given gifts, this is no different.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 14th, 2015, 7:05 am
by Sirocco
uuh you didn't post any links
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 14th, 2015, 10:21 pm
by dauser
I heard someone say that at one point playboy had 15 million subscribers...now they are down to 800,000.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 15th, 2015, 12:05 am
by Fiannan
dauser wrote:I heard someone say that at one point playboy had 15 million subscribers...now they are down to 800,000.
Don't be so quick to cheer. As I said, what people used to pay money to see (naked young women) you can see on various social media for free.
Ironically porn on VHS, then DVD, and then internet cleaned up movies because people, unlike in the 1970s, are not into going to a movie to see a 15 second clip of starlet topless or in a shower scene. Yet now the cable networks have discovered that including sex and nudity in complex plots will attract a younger female audience. So now you are seeing way more of what would have been considered soft-core porn back in the 1980s mainstreamed into these series. I believe the giant corporate media (only 6 corporations control almost all of what people read, see or hear in ALL media) will eventually get sex and nudity on the regular networks.
And if you look at technology and innovations coming up in the near future you will see a new world order that makes today look like the age of the Pilgrims.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 15th, 2015, 1:38 am
by Sunain
Fiannan wrote:dauser wrote:I heard someone say that at one point playboy had 15 million subscribers...now they are down to 800,000.
Don't be so quick to cheer. As I said, what people used to pay money to see (naked young women) you can see on various social media for free.
And if you look at technology and innovations coming up in the near future you will see a new world order that makes today look like the age of the Pilgrims.
Nudity is more prevalent than ever before especially on the Internet and cable shows, Playboy even admits this. We even have to be careful watching PG-13 movies now not just R ones. All Playboy is doing here is trying to increase their readership by making the magazine more accessible. Print media is on life support so this is their last try to get more readers and revenue before they have to completely stop the publication.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 15th, 2015, 4:55 am
by Fiannan
Sunain wrote:Fiannan wrote:dauser wrote:I heard someone say that at one point playboy had 15 million subscribers...now they are down to 800,000.
Don't be so quick to cheer. As I said, what people used to pay money to see (naked young women) you can see on various social media for free.
And if you look at technology and innovations coming up in the near future you will see a new world order that makes today look like the age of the Pilgrims.
Nudity is more prevalent than ever before especially on the Internet and cable shows, Playboy even admits this. We even have to be careful watching PG-13 movies now not just R ones. All Playboy is doing here is trying to increase their readership by making the magazine more accessible. Print media is on life support so this is their last try to get more readers and revenue before they have to completely stop the publication.
Nudity had been going out of movies starting with the access to VHS. If you do not believe me then go back and watch some mainstream movies from the 1970s -- way, way more nudity, and with big-name stars. When VHS wound up in most people's homes then rentals of pornographic movies skyrocketed - I remember back reading that once a VHS was bought the average household had rented at least one pornographic movie within one year. I also remember when an initiative was placed on the Oregon ballot to restrict pornography and opponents noted that it might interfere with people's access to "regular" porn. It failed big time. And voters in the nice neighborhoods (i.e. in Portland suburbs) shot it down. That was when I realized that porn acceptance had gone mainstream.
The problem is now that practically everyone (statistically speaking) is visiting porn sites the appeal of watching PG--ish TV series is declining. So this is why more of the upper-scale cable TV series are incorporating sex and nudity. I was speaking to a young woman about a very popular series that also has main characters engaged in incest in the plot. She laughed and said, "You know, I hope this does not make me sound weird but I find that really hot." Yes, women have libidos and the people in media know it. And taboo sells. I heard that the upcoming remake of "Westworld" will take things to even new limits.
The coveted 18 - 49 age bracket, especially the female portion of that, is what is driving the new plunge into formerly off-limits programming. No surprise, women were the standard bearers (forgive the ironic use of the phrase) of the sexual revolution.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 15th, 2015, 7:26 pm
by carbon dioxide
Finally. I can get a subscription and say I just read it for the articles
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 16th, 2015, 8:20 am
by Sirocco
Fiannan wrote:dauser wrote:I heard someone say that at one point playboy had 15 million subscribers...now they are down to 800,000.
Don't be so quick to cheer. As I said, what people used to pay money to see (naked young women) you can see on various social media for free.
Ironically porn on VHS, then DVD, and then internet cleaned up movies because people, unlike in the 1970s, are not into going to a movie to see a 15 second clip of starlet topless or in a shower scene. Yet now the cable networks have discovered that including sex and nudity in complex plots will attract a younger female audience. So now you are seeing way more of what would have been considered soft-core porn back in the 1980s mainstreamed into these series. I believe the giant corporate media (only 6 corporations control almost all of what people read, see or hear in ALL media) will eventually get sex and nudity on the regular networks.
And if you look at technology and innovations coming up in the near future you will see a new world order that makes today look like the age of the Pilgrims.
And then I imagine the more religious folk will make their own networks in response, or switch to netflix formats or the internet because who really watches tv anymore :))
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 18th, 2015, 1:09 pm
by Fiannan
Sirocco, even without robots the technologies coming about will make today's hysteria over naughty movies on the net look almost nostalgic.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 19th, 2015, 2:34 am
by freedomforall
zionminded wrote:As a Psychologist and MHC, I will tell you that porn is a big problem. What is happening here is PR, and to create a niche market, to bring softer porn to more people. Harder stuff is available out there in spades, of which the larger corporation I'm sure has their fingers.
Porn will reprogram you. If you find yourself using it to satisfy anything in you, I would HIGHLY suggest you seek help. You will need the help of more than your Bishop, don't feel embarrassed to ask for it. Its very, very common, but only a few are seeking help because they think they're the only one, or are embarrassed to ask for help.
Got a problem?.., read this:
You are wired to like sex, and sex is not evil, and you are not "bad" for liking porn, in and of itself. God doesn't care what you're doing, but he strongly cares what it is DOING to YOU. Satan exploits all your God given gifts, this is no different.
This philosophy is twisted.
God does care as to what we are doing. Further, he already knows what we do and what we think, and our very hearts intent. He cares how we live and how we conduct ourselves. He cares if we do or do not keep the commandments. He cares, very much, if we get back to him or not. For it is his work and glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. So to say he doesn't care is false.
He also cares what and how things we do affect us. He knows that sin will send us to hell if we do not repent and place ourselves in the Savior's hands, because God will not allow sin in the least degree to enter into his kingdom. So he cares where we end up according to our own choices called agency.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 19th, 2015, 12:57 pm
by zionminded
freedomforall wrote:zionminded wrote:As a Psychologist and MHC, I will tell you that porn is a big problem. What is happening here is PR, and to create a niche market, to bring softer porn to more people. Harder stuff is available out there in spades, of which the larger corporation I'm sure has their fingers.
Porn will reprogram you. If you find yourself using it to satisfy anything in you, I would HIGHLY suggest you seek help. You will need the help of more than your Bishop, don't feel embarrassed to ask for it. Its very, very common, but only a few are seeking help because they think they're the only one, or are embarrassed to ask for help.
Got a problem?.., read this:
You are wired to like sex, and sex is not evil, and you are not "bad" for liking porn, in and of itself. God doesn't care what you're doing, but he strongly cares what it is DOING to YOU. Satan exploits all your God given gifts, this is no different.
This philosophy is twisted.
God does care as to what we are doing. Further, he already knows what we do and what we think, and our very hearts intent. He cares how we live and how we conduct ourselves. He cares if we do or do not keep the commandments. He cares, very much, if we get back to him or not. For it is his work and glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. So to say he doesn't care is false.
He also cares what and how things we do affect us. He knows that sin will send us to hell if we do not repent and place ourselves in the Savior's hands, because God will not allow sin in the least degree to enter into his kingdom. So he cares where we end up according to our own choices called agency.
Of course God "cares" what you are doing.. but only because he cares about what it does TO you, not because of some "rule" or "law". God doesn't "care" about the sin,
He "cares" about the sinner. His emotion is connected to the results of the sin, not about the committing of the sin itself. Let me give you an example:
FreedomforAll, are you a father or mother? If your son or daughter touched a hot stove, and
severely burned their hand... would you
feel for your child's pain? I'd imagine the answer is a renowning "Yes", but not because they broke a "rule", but because their hand was damage and they feel pain. You could care less what they touched, but you know that in doing so, it caused damage to their hand, and the resulting pain.
If they touched the stove with
no serious damage, would you feel for them the same way? The answer is "No", HOWEVER, you would feel that they might do it again, and you might feel some pain because of the risk they run that might one day cause serious pain in them. You really don't care about anything else but the risk of potential pain, not about the act of touching the stove in and of itself.
Forgive me for the inadequate way to explain how I understand this, language is so limiting sometimes, and I'm not saying your "wrong".
God is MUCH more loving that you or I, far more objective, and far more knowing. If we are looking at porn, of course God "cares"... but he cares only because he knows the damage it is causing us, our spouse, children, and other relationships. He knows it is also separating you from the Spirit of the Lord. His pain comes from the results of the sin, not because we "broke a rule".
Your right, he does care if we get back to Him. But we don't do that by
qualifying by "keeping the rules", we do that by
becoming like Him. We do that by obedience to covenants. Repentance comes in, as you added, because we are imperfect. But it's not because you carry "sin" into his presence that you cannot remain there, it is because the sin would cause you to not be like Him., and you cannot be with Him, if you carry that with you.
Bottom line, it is WHO you are, the qualifies you, not WHAT you did. The difference between two is massive., though obedience is tied to them both.
I want to tell you how powerful this perspective is to those who are working through their issues. Christ has shown me that this is exactly how he thinks. I could write a book about it (maybe someday I will). I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 19th, 2015, 2:00 pm
by Sirocco
Fiannan wrote:Sirocco, even without robots the technologies coming about will make today's hysteria over naughty movies on the net look almost nostalgic.
I'm looking forward to robots :))
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 19th, 2015, 2:05 pm
by Fiannan
Sirocco wrote:Fiannan wrote:Sirocco, even without robots the technologies coming about will make today's hysteria over naughty movies on the net look almost nostalgic.
I'm looking forward to robots :))
So will a lot of males. The Bible says someday 7 women will desire one man, the Hadith says 50. To think that the technological revolution will usher in polygamy...or else women will only have each other and sperm banks.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 19th, 2015, 2:13 pm
by Sirocco
Fiannan wrote:Sirocco wrote:Fiannan wrote:Sirocco, even without robots the technologies coming about will make today's hysteria over naughty movies on the net look almost nostalgic.
I'm looking forward to robots :))
So will a lot of males. The Bible says someday 7 women will desire one man, the Hadith says 50. To think that the technological revolution will usher in polygamy...or else women will only have each other and sperm banks.
Yeah I believe the likelihood of robots happening before polygamy.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 12:45 am
by Fiannan
I know a guy who teaches classes for students 18 - 20 years of age primarily. When dealing with internet privacy issues he cited a case in Germany where a popular porn-share site's visitors had been fined by a company over copy-right issues and the court sided with the visitors in regards to privacy issues. He said what surprised him was the female members of the class were familiar with what site was being discussed and many provided what they thought were "better" sites to visit to get free porn.
Yet religious conservatives still believe porn is a "guy issue." Welcome to the 21st. Century folks.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 1:02 am
by skmo
Fiannan wrote:Yet religious conservatives still believe porn is a "guy issue." Welcome to the 21st. Century folks.
When it comes to video, heterosexual porn is still overwhelmingly a male-dominated market. However, gay male porn has picked up a larger percentage of female viewers, and female gay porn has an even higher percentage (it was still below half, but I don't remember the exact numbers.)
Printed material, however, still tends to be very heavily dominated by women. Generally, men want to watch porn, women want to read it.
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 1:09 am
by Fiannan
skmo wrote:Fiannan wrote:Yet religious conservatives still believe porn is a "guy issue." Welcome to the 21st. Century folks.
When it comes to video, heterosexual porn is still overwhelmingly a male-dominated market. However, gay male porn has picked up a larger percentage of female viewers, and female gay porn has an even higher percentage (it was still below half, but I don't remember the exact numbers.)
Printed material, however, still tends to be very heavily dominated by women. Generally, men want to watch porn, women want to read it.
Depends on age. Older women like print porn while younger ones are turning to video. The thing is that while viewership stats show maybe 40% of viewers of porn are indeed women, women spend far fewer hours on it. For most female porn viewers they use it as a distraction while many males turn it into a compulsion.
I am not sure though that gay male video is highly popular with women. I only know a couple of women who admit they enjoy such entertainment. What you said about lesbian porn is true - most subscribers to lesbian porn sites are heterosexual women and I have heard a lot of women say they prefer women with women scenes (although I will not say why).
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 1:18 am
by skmo
Fiannan wrote:Depends on age. Older women like print porn while younger ones are turning to video.
True, I had forgotten that. Stats said that 18-24 was the largest group of porn users.
...most subscribers to lesbian porn sites are heterosexual women and I have heard a lot of women say they prefer women with women scenes (although I will not say why).
I will. Most hetero-porn is filmed to appeal to men, generally interested more in the predatory and dominant nature of the actions. The hunt, the capture, the defeat. Women are generally more interested in emotional attraction and content. Also, I was involved with a young lady who was bisexual when I was younger. She explained that same point to me, pointing out that it was a common thing among women to prefer the safe, tender emotional release rather than the more animalistic approach many men had (this was the 80's.)
Re: Ponography has become so prevelant that Playboy is geting out of the business
Posted: October 20th, 2015, 1:28 am
by freedomforall
zionminded wrote:Of course God "cares" what you are doing.. but only because he cares about what it does TO you, not because of some "rule" or "law". Okay, let's take Adam and Eve, for instance. God gave them two opposite commandments 1) "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it." And later on 2) "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it." Two rules or laws given to Adam.
Now God really cared about his plan for millions of his children to come to earth and gain a body. Had Adam not partaken of the fruit his plan would have been frustrated. Other rules were broken as well because Adam and Eve had sinned, so now they had to leave the garden and live as mortal beings, subject to pain, heartbreak and sadness. Nevertheless, they did exactly what God's plan called for...the use of free agency, and His work and glory coming to fruition.
Now prior to this, God also knew that because of sin, Adam and his posterity were doomed to spend the rest of their lives weighed down by sin and could not come back into his presence. So He devised a plan whereby a Savior could come to earth and offer his blood, and bring about the resurrection for all mankind and a way to have sins removed. So let's conclude that God does care how we act and what we do based on whether or not rules and laws are kept or broken.
God doesn't "care" about the sin, He "cares" about the sinner. His emotion is connected to the results of the sin, not about the committing of the sin itself. What about someone becoming a son of perdition? To say God doesn't care about the sins we commit is a falsehood. Let me give you an example:
FreedomforAll, are you a father or mother? If your son or daughter touched a hot stove, and severely burned their hand... would you feel for your child's pain? I'd imagine the answer is a renowning "Yes", but not because they broke a "rule", but because their hand was damage and they feel pain. You could care less what they touched, but you know that in doing so, it caused damage to their hand, and the resulting pain. God does care about sins committed because with sin we are filled with anguish, torment, hurt, remorse and self loathing. And unless we get them remitted we will go to hell...and God wouldn't be able to do anything about it. This doesn't come close to the pain inflicted by a hot stove element.
If they touched the stove with no serious damage, would you feel for them the same way? The answer is "No", HOWEVER, you would feel that they might do it again, and you might feel some pain because of the risk they run that might one day cause serious pain in them. You really don't care about anything else but the risk of potential pain, not about the act of touching the stove in and of itself.
Forgive me for the inadequate way to explain how I understand this, language is so limiting sometimes, and I'm not saying your "wrong".
God is MUCH more loving that you or I, far more objective, and far more knowing. If we are looking at porn, of course God "cares"... but he cares only because he knows the damage it is causing us, our spouse, children, and other relationships. He knows it is also separating you from the Spirit of the Lord. His pain comes from the results of the sin, not because we "broke a rule". Adam and Eve
Your right, he does care if we get back to Him. But we don't do that by qualifying by "keeping the rules", we do that by becoming like Him. How do we do this? We do that by obedience to covenants. Does God care if we keep covenants? Repentance comes in, as you added, because we are imperfect. But it's not because you carry "sin" into his presence that you cannot remain there, it is because the sin would cause you to not be like Him., and you cannot be with Him, if you carry that with you. Read Alma 40-42. We have our sins attached to our spirit if not repented of here in life. Or we will be resurrected with them...known as the restoration of body and spirit. We can be resurrected either clean and sin free, or darkened with sin. Yes, God cares.
Bottom line, it is WHO you are, the qualifies you, not WHAT you did. The difference between two is massive., though obedience is tied to them both. Alma 40-42 will be enlightening.
I want to tell you how powerful this perspective is to those who are working through their issues. Christ has shown me that this is exactly how he thinks. I could write a book about it (maybe someday I will). I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
If we want to know how God thinks we must be rid of psychology. There is no way that man-made philosophy can come close to what God really thinks. It is completely fabricated ideas that are used to get into someone's brain. We must come to understand the consequences of sin and how they relate to the will of God. You can help people deal with sin, but are powerless to remit them. This is why we have a Savior.