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Thought this was a very sweet story

From the mouths of babes...thou hast perfected praise

The angels in the drawing have wings . . .

Jezebel wrote:The angels in the drawing have wings . . .

This is what I was wondering about.

Jezebel wrote:The angels in the drawing have wings . . .

And horns
And fangs

Maybe they were the one's trying to drag him down.

I don't put much credence in the story, but to be balanced, Isaiah's angels also had some wings, even though Joseph smith stated angels don't posses them.

Did you forget? The drawings were by CHILDREN, people. Meaning that their understanding is childlike. Most children think of wings when they think of angels, so try not to make a federal case out of it.
While I DO believe that children see and know far more than we adults realize, I may be on the fence over this stor. Not because I believe it is false exactly, but because of the possibility of a mother looking to add to Mormon folklore.
That being said, and having seen GC myself, I tend to come down on the side of believing.

I thought the children didn't know that they were angels when they were drawing them. Why would they put wings on figures that they didn't know to be angels beforehand?

briznian wrote:I thought the children didn't know that they were angels when they were drawing them. Why would they put wings on figures that they didn't know to be angels beforehand?

Well, to be fair, she also colored them brown. Maybe those aren't wings, maybe they are those big wide open sleeves on some robes...or maybe they are just what she was trying to express. 5-year-olds aren't exactly realistic artists...just look at the size of their heads in relation to their bodies, the size of their teeth in comparison to their heads, the lack of depth and shadow, the height of President Monson compared to the podium...etc.!

Who knows what this child saw? This child and God. Whatever she told her parents, there are some assumptions being made by everyone, and really, it reminds me of when Elder David B. Haight spoke, supported by two of his brethren in the 12. Some angels have mortal bodies, and some don't. O:-)

I think the child knows angels play a significant role in religion, and she just drew something familiar. Or she sees our prophet and the apostles as angels.

The story I prefer is the one about President Uchtdorf with his arms stretched out, being primed and ready to catch President Monson in case he fell, and then immediately helping him back to his seat at the conclusion of his talk. It makes me think so much about the Savior being ready to catch us and keep us upright in the gospel, if we but rely on Him for strength to keep us traveling in the correct path, following the prophet as He, Jesus Christ, leads the prophet.

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Jezebel wrote:The angels in the drawing have wings . . .

Remember that all things we perceive we understand through the lens of our experience and understanding. Just because a kid draws an angel with wings doesn't mean they have "wings". However, even in our agency, if you want to see an angel with wings you might see one with wings. Doesn't mean that "have" wings. Not to mention, the angelic glory of an angel is such that they can look as if they have wings.. but its not wings like a bird, its power and glory manifested that make it look like they might.

Jesus has wings.

13 Behold, they will crucify him; and after he is laid in a sepulchre for the space of three days he shall rise from the dead, with healing in his wings; and all those who shall believe on his name shall be saved in the kingdom of God. Wherefore, my soul delighteth to prophesy concerning him, for I have seen his day, and my heart doth magnify his holy name.

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Thought this was a very sweet story

Could this mean, that despite a movement to the contrary, that President Monson truly has the authority of God and is a true prophet? Angels would not bear him up if he didn't. Who knows, maybe the church can be under condemnation for one thing (as some here point out) and still have the authority of God to act in his name.

Interesting point jezebel too. Hadn't thought of that.

Why wouldn't angels bear him up if he didn't? What is your reasoning?

Jezebel wrote:Why wouldn't angels bear him up if he didn't? What is your reasoning?

Why would the Lord support a false prophet?

Do we only love our neighbors who are Mormons and shun everybody else? Does God only bless the 15 million members of the Church?

Stahura wrote:Do we only love our neighbors who are Mormons and shun everybody else? Does God only bless the 15 million members of the Church?

My Baptist neighbor is surely blessed by the Lord. But he isn't a false prophet.

zionminded wrote:

Jezebel wrote:The angels in the drawing have wings . . .

Remember that all things we perceive we understand through the lens of our experience and understanding. Just because a kid draws an angel with wings doesn't mean they have "wings". However, even in our agency, if you want to see an angel with wings you might see one with wings. Doesn't mean that "have" wings. Not to mention, the angelic glory of an angel is such that they can look as if they have wings.. but its not wings like a bird, its power and glory manifested that make it look like they might.

I think this is a good point. I'll skip the back story but I "saw" a woman coming toward me once that I knew I should know but didn't. Then she changed into what I recognized as a familiar picture of my grandmother when she was younger. Some time later I saw a photo of my grandmother that I had never seen before and I recognized it immediately as how my grandmother looked when I "saw" her first. She changed into who I would recognize.

We have no idea if someone prompted these kids to think about angels or not. But I do believe they were there and children can "see" better than we can.

Stacy Oliver wrote:

Jezebel wrote:Why wouldn't angels bear him up if he didn't? What is your reasoning?

Why would the Lord support a false prophet?

I don't know, but he says he rains on the just and unjust.

jockeybox wrote:I don't put much credence in the story, but to be balanced, Isaiah's angels also had some wings, even though Joseph smith stated angels don't posses them.

Angels with wings originates from the depictions of Isis in Egyptian mythology and later adopted by the Catholic Church.

Fiannan wrote:

jockeybox wrote:I don't put much credence in the story, but to be balanced, Isaiah's angels also had some wings, even though Joseph smith stated angels don't posses them.

Angels with wings originates from the depictions of Isis in Egyptian mythology and later adopted by the Catholic Church.

I don't think you can totally blame the Catholics. The Bible frequently indicates that angels have wings. Even the angels on the Ark of the Covenant had wings.

They probably really have wings. Maybe the quote by Joseph is wrong. I think their wings are an energy field around them that is shaped by wings.

I don't think you can totally blame the Catholics. The Bible frequently indicates that angels have wings. Even the angels on the Ark of the Covenant had wings.

The Ark may have had aspects of Egyptian religion as there is an overlap of the high priests of Egypt and the Hebrews.