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The doctrine of "residue" what was to be done before and after this word "residue" with storehouse treasury assets of the LORD, in D&C 42.

The doctrine of------

"If thou obtainest more than that which would be for thy support, thou shall give it into my storehouse, that all things may be done according to that which I have said"
(D&C 42:55)

Section 42 is the "law to be embraced by the church".

And the doctrine of the very foundation given for the church, in Section 70-----

None are exempt from this,

--- "in your temporal things you shall be equal, and this not grudgingly, otherwise the abundance of the manifestations of the Spirit shall be withheld".

This for----

"food and raiment; and for an inheritance; for houses and for lands, in whatsoever circumstances I, the Lord, shall place them, and whithersoever I, the Lord, shall send them".

This is not taught nor lived by this church as it ought to be, let us atone together, and seek to weep and howl and sound the alarm of these things, that the old men and administers of the law of God may give ear, and consider these things, even as it is written in the very beginning of Joel, and the end of Hosea 14:8.♡

Franco wrote:Satan deceives people into believing his lies...

Franco, please give credit to Tony for the OP. He deserves it.

Tony wrote:Satan deceives people into believing his lies...

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So Franco = Tony?

There are two Franco's??

Franco wrote:

Stahura wrote:

Franco wrote: Elder Anderson was obviously unfamiliar with what Jesus Christ had revealed through His prophet on the earth. Apostles do not have revelation for the Church. Only the prophet can have revelation for the Church. Bruce McConkie, too, made a few claims that contradicted what God has revealed through His prophets.

Since Jesus Christ's apostles cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets, it should be more than obvious that members cannot have revelation that contradicts what He has revealed through His prophets.

Okay

Currently in my Bible, the footnote says Jesus Christ, Second Comforter on the scripture that Elder Anderson quoted. Now, the 2013 edition version of the bible, the footnote says Holy Ghost. So not only is Elder Anderson unfamiliar with what Jesus revealed through Joseph, but it seems that the church, or whatever Apostles approved the footnote changes also were not familiar with this..

what do you think?

also, just an observation(not criticism) that I made, is on LDS.org, there is an approved summary of the changes to the 2013 edition, including footnote changes. They have a HUGE list of footnote changes, but this specific scripture is left off of the list of footnote changes, even though it was changed.

I think the Seventies were involved in assigning footnotes. Footnotes are not always helpful in explaining doctrine.

General authorities are not always helpful in explaining doctrine, either. "The Prophet" is not always helpful in explaining doctrine, either, unless he is moved upon by the Holy Ghost. THEN what he says is acceptable to be considered doctrine. Simple.

Stahura wrote:So Franco = Tony?

There are two Franco's??

Ding ding ding - you win the door prize.

Jeremy wrote:

Franco wrote:Satan deceives people into believing his lies...

Franco, please give credit to Tony for the OP. He deserves it.

Tony wrote:Satan deceives people into believing his lies...

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Some people (Tony / Franco) are fixated on Satan, deception and lies.

Stahura wrote:So Franco = Tony?

I am not sure. I have not read an acknowledgment or denial. I do get the two confused though and have been guilty of referring to Franco as Tony. They have a lot of things in common it seems. Not only do they write the same, they both seem to have a desire to ether project the image of a muscly man or perhaps its a fixation. Doesn't really bother me either way. Its only an observation.

Regardless, Tony should get some credit or gratitude from Franco. The material was worthy of being recycled and slightly refurbished. If someone wanted to give some thanks to the OP, it should go to the appropriate individual.

The ward heretic wrote:

Franco wrote: Elder Anderson was obviously unfamiliar with what Jesus Christ had revealed through His prophet on the earth. Apostles do not have revelation for the Church. Only the prophet can have revelation for the Church. Bruce McConkie, too, made a few claims that contradicted what God has revealed through His prophets.

Since Jesus Christ's apostles cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets, it should be more than obvious that members cannot have revelation that contradicts what He has revealed through His prophets.

They are all ordained and sustained as prophets. Is the president of the church ordained and sustained differently?

Also, does a dead prophets words overrule the words of a living apostle?

Try reading the following statements slowly.

Jesus Christ's apostles, those in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and the counselors in the First Presidency, cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets. Only the prophet leading the Church, the prophet who is led by Jesus Christ, can have revelation for the Church.

Franco wrote:

The ward heretic wrote:

Franco wrote: Elder Anderson was obviously unfamiliar with what Jesus Christ had revealed through His prophet on the earth. Apostles do not have revelation for the Church. Only the prophet can have revelation for the Church. Bruce McConkie, too, made a few claims that contradicted what God has revealed through His prophets.

Since Jesus Christ's apostles cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets, it should be more than obvious that members cannot have revelation that contradicts what He has revealed through His prophets.

They are all ordained and sustained as prophets. Is the president of the church ordained and sustained differently?

Also, does a dead prophets words overrule the words of a living apostle?

Try reading the following statements slowly.

Jesus Christ's apostles, those in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and the counselors in the First Presidency, cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets. Only the prophet leading the Church, the prophet who is led by Jesus Christ, can have revelation for the Church.

Read it as slow as possible, 20 times to have it sink in. That's some heavy stuff right there! Mind blowing! (-|

I agree with you, there have been many A's that contradict P's and vice versa. That's why the good Lord has blessed us with the correlation dept.

Praise be to the correlation department!!!

When many of the blind sheep begin to have their eyes opened, and cry out, scriptures will be fullfilled, great good will begin to take place. Laborers will come forth into the vineyard, that keep "all" the commandments of God, and bring forth fruits, equal and delightful and as one, unto the Lord of the vineyard, even as foretold and written in the grand "Script" of God, written called the "One Stick".♡

The ward heretic wrote:

Franco wrote:

The ward heretic wrote:

Franco wrote: Elder Anderson was obviously unfamiliar with what Jesus Christ had revealed through His prophet on the earth. Apostles do not have revelation for the Church. Only the prophet can have revelation for the Church. Bruce McConkie, too, made a few claims that contradicted what God has revealed through His prophets.

Since Jesus Christ's apostles cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets, it should be more than obvious that members cannot have revelation that contradicts what He has revealed through His prophets.

They are all ordained and sustained as prophets. Is the president of the church ordained and sustained differently?

Also, does a dead prophets words overrule the words of a living apostle?

Try reading the following statements slowly.

Jesus Christ's apostles, those in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and the counselors in the First Presidency, cannot have revelation that contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His prophets. Only the prophet leading the Church, the prophet who is led by Jesus Christ, can have revelation for the Church.

Read it as slow as possible, 20 times to have it sink in. That's some heavy stuff right there! Mind blowing! (-|

I agree with you, there have been many A's that contradict P's and vice versa. That's why the good Lord has blessed us with the correlation dept.

The fact that only the prophet can have revelation for the Church is basic doctrine. Apostles rarely say anything that is in conflict with the revealed doctrine of Christ. People like you, on the other hand, constantly contradict the doctrine that Jesus Christ has established through His prophets.

"Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God."
(Micah 3:7)

Yes, for the heads of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel------

"Abhor judgment, and pervert all equity."
(See Micah 3:9)

O that Ephraim would awaken, get out of bed, and do what God has said, for them to do, and seek to establish.♡

The fact that only the prophet can have revelation for the Church is basic doctrine. Apostles rarely say anything that is in conflict with the revealed doctrine of Christ. People like you, on the other hand, constantly contradict the doctrine that Jesus Christ has established through His prophets.

Oh yeah, where?
If so, can't you cut me some slack like you have the apostles you have mentioned? Or do they get tonys special considerations because they are leaders of the church?

lundbaek wrote:What are the doctrines and words of prophets that have been very much rejected by members of the Church over the years ?

Adam God,
Patriarchal Marriage,
United Order..

I am sure there are more

"The instruction to be equal in our temporal things" is not applicable today. We are under no obligation to use our wealth to bring other people up to our living standard or level of wealth.

It does happen that some Church members, and I assume some non-members as well on occasion, is moved upon by the Spirit or asked by a Church authority to donate some amount to help meet a particular need. But that is quite different from what I believe Robert Sinclair is suggesting.

Take those words you just posted to Jesus Christ and let him know that his word is not applicable today. See what he has to say about that to you.

Who has changed the statute and law?

Find the answer.♡

lundbaek wrote:"The instruction to be equal in our temporal things" is not applicable today. We are under no obligation to use our wealth to bring other people up to our living standard or level of wealth.

It does happen that some Church members, and I assume some non-members as well on occasion, is moved upon by the Spirit or asked by a Church authority to donate some amount to help meet a particular need. But that is quite different from what I believe Robert Sinclair is suggesting.

Hi lundbaek! It is a pleasure to meet you.

There is one day, but many hours. This law is applicable all the day long, during all hours of the day.

Zion is what we are working towards...it is IT.

-Finrock

Who is exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God?

"Be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly."

None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are exempt.

No, not one.♡
(See D&C 70:10--16)♡

lundbaek wrote:"The instruction to be equal in our temporal things" is not applicable today. We are under no obligation to use our wealth to bring other people up to our living standard or level of wealth.

It does happen that some Church members, and I assume some non-members as well on occasion, is moved upon by the Spirit or asked by a Church authority to donate some amount to help meet a particular need. But that is quite different from what I believe Robert Sinclair is suggesting.

Why is it not applicable?

Robert Sinclair wrote:Who is exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God?

"Be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly."

None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are exempt.

No, not one.♡
(See D&C 70:10--16)♡

(D&C42)

This is the law to be embraced and very foundation of the church of the living God.♡

sandman45 wrote:

lundbaek wrote:What are the doctrines and words of prophets that have been very much rejected by members of the Church over the years ?

Adam God,
Patriarchal Marriage,
United Order..

I am sure there are more

There was no Adam-God doctrine, and Brigham Young never taught it. He never said any of the outrageous things attributed to him in the Journal of Discourses.

Jesus Christ himself did away with the United Order.

I am not sure what you mean by "Patriarchal Marriage."

Just what do you think the Journal of Discourses are? My understanding they are things attributed to Brigham. They are HIS discourses. Priesthood for the blacks is another topic that was most adamantly held to until Kimball's turn as Prophet

lundbaek wrote:What else ? Is that all you can think of, Robert ? People sometimes say the same thing about me, that I am banging on only one note on the piano.

Nah. You're banging at least two or three . . .

I have recently become sensitive to all the fighting that surrounds Jesus Christ's name. His name is recklessly thrown around as an appeal to authority, resulting in division among those who claim to be his. May be we should let Jesus decide who is worthy to enter his kingdom and focus on our own personal progress.