LDS Freedom Forum

Robert Sinclair wrote:No reason to get upset or angry, for all these things are foretold would happen throughout the "One Stick" written and given unto the House of Ephraim.

Just need to see these things written and seek the counsel of the Good Shepherd as to what to do.

The voice of the Good Shephered Jesus Christ calls out to weep and howl and sound the alarm, and blow the trumpet in Zion, that the old men and husbandmen of the vineyard might give ear, and consider the condition of the vineyard upon their watch, and be ashamed. Then acknowledge this offence of loftiness and perversion of equity, and then atone with broken hearts and contrite spirits, with fasting and prayer, calling a solemn assembly, and seeking to bring the bride out of the closet, as in Hosea 14:8, and as is written in the Book of Joel and Isaiah, that the bridegroom may come forth saying, "Here I am", even as he has promised to so do.♡

Again, time to sound the alarm, over the vineyard of the LORD, for the loftiness and inequality of the fruits thereof.♡

How are we doing with these commandments ?

"We, as Latter-day Saints, must be vigilant in doing our part to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the way of life it makes possible."
(First Presidency statement, 15 January 1987)

"[W]e must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers,"
(President Benson, October 1987 General Conference)

"We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24]
(President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23)

"For members of the Church, education is not merely a good idea—it’s a commandment. We are to learn “of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; things which have been, things which are, things which must shortly come to pass; things which are at home, things which are abroad.”" (D&C 88:79) And Verse 79 continues: "the wars and the perplexities of the nations, and the judgments which are on the land; and a knowledge also of countries and of kingdoms--"
(President Dieter Uchtdorf, during the 2009 October General Conference Priesthood Session)

The difference between the law of God and the Constitution of men is in taxes and freewill offerings.

Taxes by vote of the people of a majority, and the celestial law of 10% of one's increase, and then take care of your wants and needs, and then "all" your surplus after that, all of your own freewill.

The day that the people vote to have taxes be 10%, plus after your wants and needs, all, given into the Government, for the needs and wants of the people of the freewill of all, would be quite the day to see of 100% vote to pass such a law.

As in the church, if put to a vote to return to keep the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, by show of hands, at the next April General Conference, and a majority vote, or 100% were in favor of such, all tithes and offerings, must be used, first and foremost on stewardships of covenants and deeds, for all the poor of the church, that cannot be broken, (this would be great for the United States to do as well), for their own homes and lands, as well as any food and raiment needed. This would mean 10% of one's increase, plus all their surplus, after taking care of the needs and wants of their selves and their families, not just the two meals a month currently required as a minimum offering for the poor, but "all" one's surplus, after care of their needs and wants.

And as required in the law of God, only after all had their stewardships, could assets or what he calls "residue", be used for temples or meeting houses, or other buildings needed or lands or investments for the public benefit of the members, or church payroll for church employees, all things common, equal in temporal things and this not grudgingly.

All these things can be accomplished, by a people and leaders who desire and commit to keep the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For if not, you as a people, are as salt without savor, being baptized and taking the sacrament promising God every week, to keep his commandments which he has given you, and then willingly walking away, and not keeping them, week after week, month after month, decade after decade, century after ?, 2031 is coming up soon that will be 200+ or minus years of willingly walking away, shall we go on as silly doves and unwise sons and daughters, staying ever so long in the place of the breaking forth of the children of God?

Or shall we finally acknowledge this offence against God, and return to set up the standard, and ensign, of the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, living a United Order commanded of God, by his instructions given, of "all things common", equal in our temporal things, no poor among us of our own freewill?

We do this and the people of the United States of America will have an example of how people can live in peace and goodwill, following the instructions given in the "One Stick" given unto us. This will be an example to all the peoples of the world as well. The best missionary tool ever.♡

The truth is that the LDS Prophets have been abandoning the doctrines of God in favor of the praises of man. Just look at the Church's recent decision to stab the people of Utah in the back and support gay rights.

Just following the grand "Script" of God called the "One Stick", which must needs be, to fullfill the words of the LORD, reguarding the leaders of Ephraim, however, got to love the "if" put in here and there, of "if" they repent, and "if" they return, which gives an unspecific date for Ephraim to wake up, and fullfill Hosea 14:8.

Let us all hope and pray, along with sounding the alarm, that it will be very soon.♡

Santiagodeleon107 wrote:The truth is that the LDS Prophets have been abandoning the doctrines of God in favor of the praises of man. Just look at the Church's recent decision to stab the people of Utah in the back and support gay rights.

It does seem like this at times. I also consider that perhaps they actually are guided by the Lord. I hope they are.

I'm careful not to call them out and say flat out that they are abandoning true doctrine for praise because I don't truly know if they are Gods anointed or not. I'd rather not speak evil of the Lords anointed if they really are. Once I have an answer I can be more vocal

They are the heads of Ephraim, they must do what is written that they will do. Love to see Hosea 14:8 finally fullfilled.♡

Stahura wrote:

clairefromaus wrote:Do u even pay tithing rob

This sounds like an internet meme that goes like this: "do you even lift bro?"

People say this to be condescending or make fun of others and how small they are.

fact is he doesnt but continues to lecture us about imparting our wealth. Get off the soapbox

Who to hearken unto, Jesus Christ who says, sound the alarm and spare not, weep and howl, and blow the trumpet in Zion, over the loftiness and perversion of equity, in the vineyard, or those who say, all is well, be not making noise, but pray, pay and obey, those who pervert all equity?

Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, who to hearken unto, the Good Shepherd, or man?

Good to hearken unto the Good Shepherd, and not fear man, but sound the alarm, and blow the trumpet in Zion, as the Savior, even the LORD Jesus Christ has said, and spare not, till the old men, and husbandmen and vinedressers are ashamed of this loftiness and perversion of equity, and atone, and help save them from the awful abyss, and from being cast out, as salt without savor, for which they will rejoice and be glad someday.♡