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Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Bee Prepared wrote:Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Good grief.
Is this man for real?

Do you agree with gun control?

Robin Hood wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Good grief.
Is this man for real?

BeeP is a woman... ;)

Obrien wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Good grief.
Is this man for real?

BeeP is a woman... ;)

I was referring to Ben Carson.

Robin Hood wrote:

Obrien wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Good grief.
Is this man for real?

BeeP is a woman... ;)

I was referring to Ben Carson.

Ok, what is it that makes you say, " Is he for real?"

Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

Robin Hood wrote:

Obrien wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:Carson: Loss of Gun Rights 'More Devastating' Than Bullet Wounds

by Alexandra Jaffe

Tweet In one of his signature Facebook Q&As Monday night, Ben Carson again weighed in on the Oregon shooting, writing that he had operated on victims of gun violence "but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."




Responding to a questioner who asked whether the tragedy had altered his position on the Second Amendment, Carson suggested new gun-control laws wouldn't solve the problem and accused Democrats of "us[ing] these tragedies to advance a political agenda."

In a separate interview with USA Today released Tuesday, Carson suggested that, if he had a child in kindergarten, he would want school security guards - and even possibly that child's teacher - to be armed.

"If the teacher was trained in the use of that weapon and had access to it, I would be much more comfortable if they had one than if they didn't," he said.




The GOP presidential contender first weighed in on the shooting last week, telling reporters in Iowa that the solution should be to collect data on shooters to try to find "early warnings" to prevent future cases, not stricter gun laws.

"You're not going to handle [the issue] with more gun control because gun control only works for normal law abiding citizens, it doesn't work for crazies," he said thenIn the USA Today interview, Carson also shot back at critics who say that his expertise as a neurosurgeon would not prepare him for the presidency.


"You don't need to know nearly as much to be able to maneuver in the political world as you do in the operating room inside of somebody's brain. It's not even close," he said.

Good grief.
Is this man for real?

BeeP is a woman... ;)

I was referring to Ben Carson.

Duh...Joke...
Oh sorry, you're a brit...

President Obama, along with many other wealthy, influential, and/or famous people, send their children to schools which have armed guards and teachers. They will tell you that it's necessary because of the possible threat to their children.

Are they any better than your average man? What is wrong with a local school board deciding what is in the best interests of their schools, and the children attending those schools? We are supposed to be a country with liberties and freedom.

Evil men will always be able to get guns no matter how many restrictions there are.

So gun control only really limits the type of guns law abiding citizens have. Who already obey the laws. Murder has been illegall for how long??? And every year more people are killed in violent crimes with hammers and bats and knifes then gun.

Why are there no laws restricting them?

Guns packing citizens according to the government stop 100,000s of thousands crimes every year.

Flu shots kill more people then guns do every year.

If they are to have a gun law in my mind. It should be that every citizen is required to get training and carry if they are comfortable doing so.

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

The only thing ridiculous here is your over the top reaction to his comments.

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

That is actually what Dr. Carson (as well as most of the Republican base) are saying right now.

In the UK if I understand correctly most of the bobbies aren't even armed (if arms are needed the ARU is called).

But such is the lack of security in the country (the US) that that is being called upon.

Say what you want to in Mexico, but you don't see even the darkest of the cartel members shooting up schools, universities, and hospitals like what you see in the US. Most of the fights are between the cartels, and government and cartel agencies.

Serragon wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

The only thing ridiculous here is your over the top reaction to his comments.

My comments were ridiculous.... seriously?
Armed guards at a kindergarten?
Teachers with guns?
And this man wants to be President!!!
The world's gone mad!

Robin Hood wrote:

Serragon wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

The only thing ridiculous here is your over the top reaction to his comments.

My comments were ridiculous.... seriously?
Armed guards at a kindergarten?
Teachers with guns?
And this man wants to be President!!!
The world's gone mad!

Yes.. seriously.

The problem isn't the guns. If it were, this would have been happening at similar rates in the past. It it were the guns, then communities like one where I live where guns outnumber people 5 to 1 would have all been killed off long ago.

We have created a monster in the US with our brand of feminism, leftism, and PC Culture. Boys and normal adolescent male behaviour have been under attack for decades now. Fatherless boys. Boys without honor. Boys seeking fame. Boys with no idea where they fit in to the modern society created by leftists and feminists.

Even if you remove the guns, you won't remove the problem.

Serragon wrote:The problem isn't the guns. If it were, this would have been happening at similar rates in the past. It it were the guns, then communities like one where I live where guns outnumber people 5 to 1 would have all been killed off long ago.

We have created a monster in the US with our brand of feminism, leftism, and PC Culture. Boys and normal adolescent male behaviour have been under attack for decades now. Fatherless boys. Boys without honor. Boys seeking fame. Boys with no idea where they fit in to the modern society created by leftists and feminists.

Even if you remove the guns, you won't remove the problem.

I agree that all of those things play a factor. Another thing to consider is the prescribing of SSRI's to kids that started in the 1990's. It can turn people--especially 25 and under--into rage monsters.

^^^^ I agree, and since we have a problem, why is it over-the-top to attempt to protect our children from a perceived threat? Should we just stick our heads in the sand? No one thinks it is ridiculous for Pres Obama and family having armed guards 24/7, along with many other prominent people. Are our children less valued? If there is a threat, no matter how rare, why not do what we can to prevent tragedy. If these disturbed young men knew that there was a strong likelihood of their being stopped before they could cause their intended mayhem, there is a chance they would choose some other way to express their rage. And if they did start shooting up a classroom, there is a good chance that fewer people would be injured and killed before he was stopped, if someone in the very near vicinity was armed and trained.

^^^^^Every year there are hundreds if not thousands of times a gun is used to stop a threat that could have easily become a mass shooting. Unfortunately, the media doesn't report on it because it doesn't... a) fit their agenda, and... b) it doesn't bring in ratings.

Not too long ago, a mad man drove his car through a crowd of people with the intent of harming as many as possible. Where were the cries for a car ban by the media? See option a) ^^^^ above for the answer.

Serragon wrote:The problem isn't the guns. If it were, this would have been happening at similar rates in the past. It it were the guns, then communities like one where I live where guns outnumber people 5 to 1 would have all been killed off long ago.

We have created a monster in the US with our brand of feminism, leftism, and PC Culture. Boys and normal adolescent male behaviour have been under attack for decades now. Fatherless boys. Boys without honor. Boys seeking fame. Boys with no idea where they fit in to the modern society created by leftists and feminists.

Even if you remove the guns, you won't remove the problem.

I actually agree with that, well obviously the idea needs expanding but I think i see where you're going.

Robin Hood wrote:

Serragon wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

The only thing ridiculous here is your over the top reaction to his comments.

My comments were ridiculous.... seriously?
Armed guards at a kindergarten?
Teachers with guns?
And this man wants to be President!!!
The world's gone mad!

In 1982 the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law mandating that every head of househould have a gun and ammunition.

In a city with a popluation of 32,000, there hasn't been a murder in 25 years. The crime rate dropped like a rock. There have been two rapes over the past five years. The part I crime rate for 2013 was .017%. Part 1 crimes consist of: Murder, Non-Negligent Manslaughter, Rape, Robbery, Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny, Auto Theft and Arson.

Please don't criticize our gun laws and we won't criticize you for supporting a monarch with your tax dollars.

Serragon wrote:The problem isn't the guns. If it were, this would have been happening at similar rates in the past. It it were the guns, then communities like one where I live where guns outnumber people 5 to 1 would have all been killed off long ago.

We have created a monster in the US with our brand of feminism, leftism, and PC Culture. Boys and normal adolescent male behaviour have been under attack for decades now. Fatherless boys. Boys without honor. Boys seeking fame. Boys with no idea where they fit in to the modern society created by leftists and feminists.

Even if you remove the guns, you won't remove the problem.

I'm confused, are mass shooting caused by feminism and liberals?

Also, can you provide me with the normal male behavior pattern you are referring to; are we talking the 16th century male behavior pattern, or the early 20th century?

Overall I think what you are trying to say is that if feminism, liberalism, and PC culture weren't in their current state, a real man would have stood up and gone Jason Bourne on the Oregon shooter. This renders everyone who didn't do that in your fatherless boys, boys without honor, boys seeking fame, and boys with no idea where they fit in to the modern society created by leftists and feminists category. Am I correct?

markharr wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:

Serragon wrote:

Robin Hood wrote:Because his comments are so ridiculous.
Does he really want a country that has armed guards at kindergarten and even teachers packing guns?
Surely not. He must have been joking!
Please tell me he was not being serious.

The only thing ridiculous here is your over the top reaction to his comments.

My comments were ridiculous.... seriously?
Armed guards at a kindergarten?
Teachers with guns?
And this man wants to be President!!!
The world's gone mad!

In 1982 the city of Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law mandating that every head of househould have a gun and ammunition.

In a city with a popluation of 32,000, there hasn't been a murder in 25 years. The crime rate dropped like a rock. There have been two rapes over the past five years. The part I crime rate for 2013 was .017%. Part 1 crimes consist of: Murder, Non-Negligent Manslaughter, Rape, Robbery, Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny, Auto Theft and Arson.

Please don't criticize our gun laws and we won't criticize you for supporting a monarch with your tax dollars.

Not sure where you are getting this info from but there have been two mass shooting in Keensaw, GA in the past 5 years. The Penske shooting and FedEx Gunman.

markharr wrote:

I don't understand this picture. Has Obama proposed a ban on all guns?

Not sure where you are getting this info from but there have been two mass shooting in Keensaw, GA in the past 5 years. The Penske shooting and FedEx Gunman.

You are correct. My information was from 2007 meaning it was a bit dated. Still they went 32 years without a murder.

Should we compare their crime rates to Chicago which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation?

Kennesaw crime rates vs. national average.
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Chicago crime rates vs national average
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