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Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 9:49 am
by Robin Hood
The ward heretic wrote:Robin Hood wrote:The ward heretic wrote:Robin Hood wrote:So which is it?
"I'm sure you will get a larger variety of responses" or "if people can't agree on what the causes of the problem are, how do you expect the debate to move on to solutions"?
Bit of a contradiction there methinks.... and in the same post!
You're right, this was started by the Ben Carson comment, but I thought this was a forum where topics developed and evolved. That certainly seems to be the way it works generally. I didn't realize that wasn't allowed in this one single instance.
Sorry, my fault. We have all this freedom of speech stuff over here and sometimes I get carried away!
Freedoms of speech is all but dead in the US, so it Is most definitely 6 feet under in the UK.
You see that's your problem right there.
What makes you think that? The assumption that if freedom is being eroded in the US it must be even worse elsewhere.
This is why Americans are regarded as arrogant by the rest of the world.
I have lived in both places for many years. I have immediate family in both countries. It's first hand experience. Look. There are things I love about the UK (England mostly) but there are also serious problems. The UK is further down the path of lower freedom, with the US following closely.
I call it the way I see it.
We'll have to agree to differ on that one.
I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet.
I don't think the US is far behind us.
I remember the only time I have ever felt frightened and intimidated by the police. It was at Liberty Park, Salt Lake City on the 24th July (Pioneer Day firework display). They just looked so aggressive with their dark shades on (it was night time! :-\ ) and their very visible guns. I'd never seen police with guns before (apart from in Germany) and it really didn't sit well with me.
Maybe I've watched too many CBS Cops and Cops Reloaded shows and assumed that's how all of them behave. :-s
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 10:00 am
by caddis
^^^^ "Very visible guns". Shriek!!! I'd be wetting myself too. How scary!!! I'm just glad they didn't jump out of the officers holster and shoot you all on their own. They've been known to do that you know. Those darn guns have a mind of their own. #:-s
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 10:03 am
by Sandinista
The goal was for all the "bad guys" to see the cops with there dark shades (actually worn for tactical reasons) and their "visible guns" and go somewhere else to enact their evil. I guess it must have worked. Sorry you were uncomfortable, but you would have felt a lot worse if some criminal did something that could have been stopped but wasn't because we didn't to make people
uncomfo0rtable.
I, for one, appreciate the visible display of protection our law enforcement officers give when they are in uniform and armed at public events. It makes me feel secure. I also like it when I see an individual citizen exercising his right to carry a weapon in public. It makes me feel secure as well!
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 10:24 am
by Robin Hood
Sandinista wrote:The goal was for all the "bad guys" to see the cops with there dark shades (actually worn for tactical reasons) and their "visible guns" and go somewhere else to enact their evil. I guess it must have worked. Sorry you were uncomfortable, but you would have felt a lot worse if some criminal did something that could have been stopped but wasn't because we didn't to make people
uncomfo0rtable.
I, for one, appreciate the visible display of protection our law enforcement officers give when they are in uniform and armed at public events. It makes me feel secure.
I'm sure you're right.
We just don't need that here.
My sister-in-law has lived in the States for most of her life. She has told me how she didn't realize how oppressive it is (I'm talking about the police, not the whole country) in the US compared with the UK, until she comes here to visit. She says it is very noticeable and surprises her every time.
She is a US citizen now. Loves most things about America, but says Britain does a few things better.
These include policing, TV, fashion, and chocolate.
I'm particularly pleased about the chocolate.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 11:12 am
by The ward heretic
We'll have to agree to differ on that one.
I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet.
I don't think the US is far behind us.
I remember the only time I have ever felt frightened and intimidated by the police. It was at Liberty Park, Salt Lake City on the 24th July (Pioneer Day firework display). They just looked so aggressive with their dark shades on (it was night time! :-\ ) and their very visible guns. I'd never seen police with guns before (apart from in Germany) and it really didn't sit well with me.
Maybe I've watched too many CBS Cops and Cops Reloaded shows and assumed that's how all of them behave. :-s
There are no doubt that some things in the UK are done well; some things not as much. Same here, in the US.
Can you list actual points wherein the UK has more practicable freedoms then the US?
That would be a fascinating list.
One area I certainly agree is the US and police.
Police in the UK definitely have problems with corruption and fraud like it is here; but at least they don't kill as many innocent people as US cops.
I always enjoy seeing cops on the run when there are riots in Europe. It means they fear the people. Freedom.
In the US, the cops bring in the full force of a paramilitary group and the people are driven like sheep amongst wolves.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:07 pm
by Sandinista
Robin Hood wrote:Sandinista wrote:The goal was for all the "bad guys" to see the cops with there dark shades (actually worn for tactical reasons) and their "visible guns" and go somewhere else to enact their evil. I guess it must have worked. Sorry you were uncomfortable, but you would have felt a lot worse if some criminal did something that could have been stopped but wasn't because we didn't to make people
uncomfo0rtable.
I, for one, appreciate the visible display of protection our law enforcement officers give when they are in uniform and armed at public events. It makes me feel secure.
I'm sure you're right.
We just don't need that here.
My sister-in-law has lived in the States for most of her life. She has told me how she didn't realize how oppressive it is (I'm talking about the police, not the whole country) in the US compared with the UK, until she comes here to visit. She says it is very noticeable and surprises her every time.
She is a US citizen now. Loves most things about America, but says Britain does a few things better.
These include policing, TV, fashion, and chocolate.
I'm particularly pleased about the chocolate.
Okay, I'll give you the chocolate, but it is probably from the Continent so you can't really claim ownership.
TV? You've got to be kidding! In my 21 years as an Air Force pilot I spent a lot of time at RAF Fairford, RAF Lakenheath, RAF Mildenhall as well as South Cerney, and at the NATO Allied Maritime Command Headquarters in Northwood. I've had great times in Britain, but watching TV certainly wasn't one of them. Sorry, I just don't get into dog shows, Jane Austin drama knockoffs, BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC3, or BBC4, SkyNews, and boring soccer! (See, I do know what you watch!) The best stuff you have are re-runs of 1970's and 80's American sitcoms!
Fashion? I must have totally missed that one as well. Maybe you're thinking of that small town across the Channel. I think it's called Paris.
Police? You're right, totally non-threatening, which makes them pretty ineffectual as well. But hey, those Bobbie hats are cool, if you're dressing up for Halloween (you probably don't know what that is. But you can dress up for Guy Fawkes Day can't you?)
I will give you museums; I've spent a huge amount of time in London hanging out at places like the British Museum. But, then again, you raped and pillaged pretty much the entire world for close to 300 years. You better have some good stuff!
West End musicals: same productions as Broadway but the experience is better there. I'll give you that as well.
Stonehenge? Kind of cool, but again they are just big rocks. Come and take a look at some really cool things in our National Parks (Yellowstone, Zion, Bryce, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, etc.). I'll show you some big rocks!
And finally, the few days my wife and I spent in hanging out in the Cotswold's after our son's wedding over there two year ago was pretty magical. I could live there, but I'd bring my guns with me so I might get into a little trouble!
But you do have an open invitation to visit us at anytime. I'd love to be your host. Seriously, you, your wife, and family are welcome anytime. We'd even go shooting!
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:14 pm
by Robin Hood
The ward heretic, you know what, on reflection I'm not sure I can.
Thinking about it I suspect the UK is not more free than the US, nor is it less free in practice.
I think we both have the same fundamental rights. Yours through the constitution, ours through hundreds of years of legal precedent and parliamentary evolution and refinement.
Maybe one area is that we appear to have a little more freedom is to say what we like about others, particularly the rich and famous, without the threat of legal action. We reformed our libel laws to stop this practice and prevent the threat of legal action interfering with freedom of speech. Just look at the things David Icke says. He's never been sued in the UK, but he has in the US.
One thing I think many Americans don't fully understand is the very limited power invested in the monarchy. After the English civil war the king (Charles I) was executed and a Commonwealth (basically a republic) was established. After the death of Cromwell the monarchy was re-established by parliament. The monarch therefore reigns with the permission of parliament, and that permission can be removed at any time. This is why the monarch is apolitical and is not allowed to vote or demonstrate any political partiality whatsoever.
The Queen might be the head of state, but it's the prime minister who holds all of the real power, and he only get's that from parliament, and parliament is directly elected by the people.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:48 pm
by M249Gunner
Please don't criticize our gun laws and we won't criticize you for supporting a monarch with your tax dollars.
I love the above comment. Down with the monarchy.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:49 pm
by Robin Hood
Sandinista wrote:Robin Hood wrote:Sandinista wrote:The goal was for all the "bad guys" to see the cops with there dark shades (actually worn for tactical reasons) and their "visible guns" and go somewhere else to enact their evil. I guess it must have worked. Sorry you were uncomfortable, but you would have felt a lot worse if some criminal did something that could have been stopped but wasn't because we didn't to make people
uncomfo0rtable.
I, for one, appreciate the visible display of protection our law enforcement officers give when they are in uniform and armed at public events. It makes me feel secure.
I'm sure you're right.
We just don't need that here.
My sister-in-law has lived in the States for most of her life. She has told me how she didn't realize how oppressive it is (I'm talking about the police, not the whole country) in the US compared with the UK, until she comes here to visit. She says it is very noticeable and surprises her every time.
She is a US citizen now. Loves most things about America, but says Britain does a few things better.
These include policing, TV, fashion, and chocolate.
I'm particularly pleased about the chocolate.
Okay, I'll give you the chocolate, but it is probably from the Continent so you can't really claim ownership.
TV? You've got to be kidding! In my 21 years as an Air Force pilot I spent a lot of time at RAF Fairford, RAF Lakenheath, RAF Mildenhall as well as South Cerney, and at the NATO Allied Maritime Command Headquarters in Northwood. I've had great times in Britain, but watching TV certainly wasn't one of them. Sorry, I just don't get into dog shows, Jane Austin drama knockoffs, BBC 1, BBC 2, BBC3, or BBC4, SkyNews, and boring soccer! (See, I do know what you watch!) The best stuff you have are re-runs of 1970's and 80's American sitcoms!
Fashion? I must have totally missed that one as well. Maybe you're thinking of that small town across the Channel. I think it's called Paris.
Police? You're right, totally non-threatening, which makes them pretty ineffectual as well. But hey, those Bobbie hats are cool, if you're dressing up for Halloween (you probably don't know what that is. But you can dress up for Guy Fawkes Day can't you?)
I will give you museums; I've spent a huge amount of time in London hanging out at places like the British Museum. But, then again, you raped and pillaged pretty much the entire world for close to 300 years. You better have some good stuff!
West End musicals: same productions as Broadway but the experience is better there. I'll give you that as well.
Stonehenge? Kind of cool, but again they are just big rocks. Come and take a look at some really cool things in our National Parks (Yellowstone, Zion, Bryce, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, etc.). I'll show you some big rocks!
And finally, the few days my wife and I spent in hanging out in the Cotswold's after our son's wedding over there two year ago was pretty magical. I could live there, but I'd bring my guns with me so I might get into a little trouble!
But you do have an open invitation to visit us at anytime. I'd love to be your host. Seriously, you, your wife, and family are welcome anytime. We'd even go shooting!
I agree your natural beauty is breathtaking. I've been to Yellowstone, Bryce Canyon and Joshua Tree national parks. Fantastic. I could certainly live up in the canyons.
Your town planning isn't good, but I think you probably know that already.
As for football (it's not soccer), it can be boring sometimes. But it is infinitely better than that awful game you call football (American football) ;) . It's no surprise the rest of the world shuns it! How about a compromise.... try rugby sometime.
Paris lost it's fashion crown some years ago, though the French don't agree. But my comment was really aimed at popular fashion - the stuff everyday people wear. Europe tends to be the trendsetter and America follows a year or two later. This isn't necessarily a good thing and not something I'm particularly proud of. I wouldn't have listed fashion, my sister-in-law did.
I fundamentally disagree with you regarding TV. You must have been here a long time ago. No mention of channel 4 or 5. When I was in the US I was astounded to walk into a DVD store (I went into a lot of them - kept my autistic daughter happy) and find whole sections devoted to the BBC and other British productions. Doctor Who, Downton Abbey, Monty Python..... the list seemed endless.
American TV is, on the whole very poor in my view, unless you like commercial breaks every two minutes! However, I have seen some improvement in recent years, especially US drama's. But you chap's absolutely ruined The Office!
Thanks for the kind offer.
Same applies if you find yourself in Yorkshire sometime.
What is the difference between an Englishman and an American?
An Englishman thinks 100 miles is a long way; and an American thinks 100 years is a long time. ;)
HOW GUN CONTROL MADE ENGLAND THE 'MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN EUROPE'
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:52 pm
by Army Of Truth
HOW GUN CONTROL MADE ENGLAND THE 'MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN EUROPE'
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... in-europe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
#-o #-o #-o
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:53 pm
by Robin Hood
M249Gunner wrote:Please don't criticize our gun laws and we won't criticize you for supporting a monarch with your tax dollars.
I love the above comment. Down with the monarchy.
Thankfully, we don't have dollars.
Re: HOW GUN CONTROL MADE ENGLAND THE 'MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN EUROPE'
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 12:55 pm
by Robin Hood
Believe that and you'll believe anything.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:15 pm
by Army Of Truth
Robin Hood wrote:
...I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet...
Believe that, and you will believe ANYTHING!! :o) :)) =)) =)) =))
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:21 pm
by Robin Hood
Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:
...I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet...
Believe that, and you will believe ANYTHING!! :o) :)) =)) =)) =))
Prove I'm wrong
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:30 pm
by Army Of Truth
Robin Hood wrote:Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:
...I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet...
Believe that, and you will believe ANYTHING!! :o) :)) =)) =)) =))
Prove I'm wrong
HOW GUN CONTROL MADE ENGLAND THE 'MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN EUROPE'
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... in-europe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... d-n1464528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the
total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. #-o
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
The only guys who have guns in this case are the bad guys, since guns are banned for the good guys in the UK.
Prove these statistics wrong! :ymsmug:
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:40 pm
by Robin Hood
Labour haven't been in office for 6 years. It's likely these figures are around 9 or 10 years old.
So they are way out of date, though still a fraction of the US figures of course.
Get me some contemporary figures and I'll dignify your question with a response.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:47 pm
by Army Of Truth
In July 2009, The Telegraph reported, in fact, that Britain was Europe's violent-crime capital:
Analysis of figures from the European Commission showed a
77 percent increase in murders, robberies, assaults and sexual offenses in the UK since Labour came to power.
Further, "the UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country - 927 - and at a relative rate higher than most western European neighbors, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain," the paper said.
Clearly a growing number of British citizens are sick and tired of being helpless before violent criminals. If British politicians aren't cowards, they will do the people's bidding and repeal gun bans that do nothing but empower terrorists and criminals.
Sources for this article include:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.military.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 1:51 pm
by Army Of Truth
Robin Hood wrote:Labour haven't been in office for 6 years. It's likely these figures are around 9 or 10 years old.
So they are way out of date, though still a fraction of the US figures of course.
Get me some contemporary figures and I'll dignify your question with a response.
9 or 10 year old figures don't change the facts. These facts prove that crime went up, not down.
I'm still waiting for your proof. Hopefully something better than:
Believe that and you'll believe anything.
and
..they are way out of date
:ymsmug:
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 2:08 pm
by markharr
Army of Truth, you have put forth a notable effort, and you have been absolutly correct on everything, but the gun control crowd refuses to believe anything but the predefined narative that is forced down their throats. Even if you provided updated data, he would find a reason to pick that apart too.
It doesn't matter that the data isn't new. It shows that violent crime went up after the gun ban was implemented. In every single case where a city, State, or island nation enacts gun control, the violent crime rate goes up. There isn't a single example of it going down.
You can find some comfort in the thought that he thankfully has no say in regards to our gun laws.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 2:31 pm
by AgaetisTakk
Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:
...I certainly subscribe to the view that our freedoms here in the UK are the envy of the world, and that we are, actually, in all practicable ways the most free nation on the planet...
Believe that, and you will believe ANYTHING!! :o) :)) =)) =)) =))
Prove I'm wrong
HOW GUN CONTROL MADE ENGLAND THE 'MOST VIOLENT COUNTRY IN EUROPE'
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... in-europe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavli ... d-n1464528" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the
total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent. #-o
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
The only guys who have guns in this case are the bad guys, since guns are banned for the good guys in the UK.
Prove these statistics wrong! :ymsmug:
Relying on right-wing extremist websites does nothing to help your cause. Taking a logical approach you'd realize that the definition of violent crime in the UK includes ALL crimes against a person. As where in the US; simple assaults, robberies, and sexual offenses (including most rapes) aren't categorized by the FBI as 'violent crimes'. It's impossible to compare when the standard aren't the same. I consider this a facebook myth that fits with the far-right's agenda and narrative.
http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/20 ... an-the-us/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... violent-c/
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 2:53 pm
by Army Of Truth
AgaetisTakk wrote:
Relying on right-wing extremist websites does nothing to help your cause. Taking a logical approach you'd realize that the definition of violent crime in the UK includes ALL crimes against a person. As where in the US; simple assaults, robberies, and sexual offenses (including most rapes) aren't categorized by the FBI as 'violent crimes'. It's impossible to compare when the standard aren't the same. I consider this a facebook myth that fits with the far-right's agenda and narrative.
Relying on left-wing extremist websites does nothing to help yours either. :ymsmug:
Your statement:
It's impossible to compare when the standard aren't the same. I consider this a facebook myth that fits with the far-right's agenda and narrative.
is filled with hearsay hot air and no facts. I'm still waiting for more FACTS from yourself as well as Robin Hood. But I wont hold my breath. :-w
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 2:55 pm
by Robin Hood
Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:Labour haven't been in office for 6 years. It's likely these figures are around 9 or 10 years old.
So they are way out of date, though still a fraction of the US figures of course.
Get me some contemporary figures and I'll dignify your question with a response.
9 or 10 year old figures don't change the facts.
Now unfortunately that's where you are mistaken.
You probably don't follow events over here in the promised land ;) , but if you did you would know that there has been a very significant reduction in crime over here in recent years - especially violent crime.
Of course, even with the violent crimes, we're not slaughtering each other.
Re: Loss Of Gun Rights More Devasting Than Bullet Wounds
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 2:57 pm
by Army Of Truth
Robin Hood wrote:Army Of Truth wrote:Robin Hood wrote:Labour haven't been in office for 6 years. It's likely these figures are around 9 or 10 years old.
So they are way out of date, though still a fraction of the US figures of course.
Get me some contemporary figures and I'll dignify your question with a response.
9 or 10 year old figures don't change the facts.
Now unfortunately that's where you are mistaken.
You probably don't follow events over here in the promised land ;) , but if you did you would know that there has been a very significant reduction in crime over here in recent years - especially violent crime.
Of course, even with the violent crimes, we're not slaughtering each other.
I need more FACTS, and LESS OPINION. =;
18 LITTLE-KNOWN GUN FACTS THAT PROVE THAT GUNS MAKE US SAFER
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 3:01 pm
by Army Of Truth
http://www.infowars.com/18-little-known ... -us-safer/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
#10 Despite the very strict ban on guns in the UK, the overall rate of violent crime in the UK is about 4 times higher than it is in the United States. In one recent year, there were 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in the UK. In the United States, there were only 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people during that same year. Do we really want to be more like the UK?
#11 The UK has approximately 125 percent more rape victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.
#12 The UK has approximately 133 percent more assault victims per 100,000 people each year than the United States does.
#13 The UK has the fourth highest burglary rate in the EU.
#14 The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
#15 Down in Australia, gun murders increased by about 19 percent and armed robberies increased by about 69 percent after a gun ban was instituted.
More facts that you anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment, anti-freedom-to-defend-yourselves crowd can use for your predictable ad hominem attacks.
Keep them coming! :ymapplause:
Re: 18 LITTLE-KNOWN GUN FACTS THAT PROVE THAT GUNS MAKE US SAFER
Posted: October 9th, 2015, 3:16 pm
by AgaetisTakk
Sighting Infowars as fact is extremely intellectually dishonest. You're blind trust in and institution who's sole purpose is to indoctrinate people with beliefs that have no evidence or credible research show you may be victim to mental health issues such as differentiating between right and wrong (good vs evil). I'm sure LDS Family Services could aid you if you're will to accept their guidance.
Lastly, I linked to a conservative libertarian website that you deem left-wing because you didn't like what they said. Classic cognitive dissonance.
Is this the ad-hominem attack you were looking for, or do you think my comments hit a little too close to home and your lack of confidence in your position is affecting your reasoning?