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And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Old Testament, Daniel 2:44)

The Latter-day Saint Temples are the Kingdom of God on the Earth. The Prophet and 12 Apostles hold the priesthood keys and authority to the Temples, and the Temple ordinances and covenants.

If we turn against the Lord's authoritzed servants, we turn against the keys of the priesthood, and we set ourselves at odds with the Kingdom of God.

Does anyone dispute that the LDS Temples are the Kingdom of God on the Earth?

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. (Old Testament, Malachi, 3:1

why specifically the temples and not the Church/membership/etc, temples included?

Some people make a distinction between the Church and the the Kingdom of God. I DON'T. But, I don't think anyone should deny that the temple does not represent the Kingdom of God on the Earth, and the Prophet and Apostles hold the keys and authority to the temple.

The Kingdom of God will be established prior to Christ's coming, and the Kingdom of Heaven will come after His coming in glory.

D&C 65: 6 "Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come,"

[W]ell informed Latter-day Saints know that there are two powers which God has restored in these the last days. One is the Church of God, the other the Kingdom of God.” JD 20:204

Heber C. Kimball

Stahura wrote:[W]ell informed Latter-day Saints know that there are two powers which God has restored in these the last days. One is the Church of God, the other the Kingdom of God.” JD 20:204

Heber C. Kimball

Yes, and my point is that the Temples ARE part of the Kingdom of God, and the Prophet and Apostles hold the keys to the temple, therefore I would not put myself at odds with the Kingdom of God, the keys and those that hold those keys.

davedan wrote:Some people make a distinction between the Church and the the Kingdom of God. I DON'T.

This is the only reason I posted this.

[W]ell informed Latter-day Saints know that there are two powers which God has restored in these the last days. One is the Church of God, the other the Kingdom of God.” JD 20:204

Heber C Kimball, an Apostle made this distinction, as well as others. That's all I was pointing out

I'm lost guys. Do explain!

Magus wrote:I'm lost guys. Do explain!

I'm not exactly sure what he's trying to say with the temples..gotta read it again and think.

All i was saying is that members and one of the GA's yesterday refer to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as the Kingdom of God. Many Apostles in the past have made sure to explain that they aren't the same thing. The Church is one thing, and the Kingdom of God is another. Somehow this teaching has changed over the years.

That doesn't mean the church isn't the true Church of God, or that it doesn't have the fullness of the Gospel. It's a small thing, really I don't care either way because its the doctrine of Christ that matters to me.

Magus wrote:I'm lost guys. Do explain!

I THINK what he's saying, is even IF the church is separate from the Kingdom of God, the Temples are not, but are a part of the Kingdom of God. Probably because of keys that have been passed down through time or something..probably because he's assuming the if fullness of the priesthood is exercised in the ordinance of the Temple, surely that would mean it's part of the Kingdom of God, and not an earthly organization.

I'm sure he'll correct me haha.

I always thought that it would be a people, equal in their temporal things, all things common of their own freewill, following the instructions of the LORD, Jesus Christ, as when the New Jerusalem comes down, with no temples there whatsoever. No more idols made by the hands of men of brick and stone to adore and worship, only Jesus Christ as a light to guide us all, even as it is written by John in the Book of Revelation chapter 21 as he saw the holy city, coming down from heaven, verse 2 thru verse 22 where it is written-----

"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

Put that on your fridge and ponderize upon it.

There are gates and a city but no temple therein, interesting, are all temples made by the hands of men to be thrown down, as the two in Jerusalem were thrown down, for being defiled?

Something to ponder upon as no unclean thing is to enter therein, good to get clean hands and a pure heart that you yourself as a temple and a tabernacle are undefiled where the Spirit of God may dwell in your heart, holy and just, equal and delightful fruits of the vineyard, the golden wheat of the harvest of God.♡

Yes, what I am saying is, I am aware of much of what has been said concerning the Church vs.the Kingdom.

However, regardless of how they are defined, the Temple IS part of the Kingdom of God, and the Apostles and Prophets possess and exercize the keys to the Temple, and we cannot come out in opposition of the Prophets and Apostles without coming out in opposition to the Kingdom of God.

Robert Sinclair wrote:"And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it."

Put that on your fridge and ponderize upon it.

Robert, you're a bit ahead of things. The kingdom of God must come first, then when the temple expands from within the pure in heart, to a temple building, to a temple city, and a holy nation, then we will be prepared to accept the "kingdom of heaven".

D&C 65: 6 "Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come,"

But we can all individually live these principles right now.

It is understood when they stand strong for the word of God that man is not to lie with man as he lay down with a woman, and many of the things taught in the law of Moses that still are in effect today such as the 10 commandments, we are to sustain them and stay strong wth them, in all these things.

But for the perversion of equity, of being divided into classes of rich and poor, and not being equal in our temporal things, we are commanded of God to cry out for these things, weeping and howling and sounding the alarm, as he has asked us to do, that have read his words and hearken unto the voice of the Good Shepherd, even the LORD Jesus Christ.

He has had written in the scriptures, that the heads of Jacob and Princes of the House of Israel of Ephraim, will reject this greater thing of being equal of his celestial law, before building any temples, and go on before being equal in their temporal things, and build them anyways.

In doing this, these temples become altars to sin made as idols, placed above the care of the poor and needy.

It was known long ago this would happen, and for this cause, the prophet Hosea, was commanded of tbe LORD, to take a wife of whoredoms, as a type and a shadow of this house.

Read the Book of Hosea and especially chapter 8 verses 11-14 to know of these things. Only two temples were built and destroyed of the House of David of Judah, and never until the 1800's did Ephraim begin as a people till this very day to build "temples" and pervert all equity as is written in the entire chapter of Micah 3, and in the Books of Isaiah and Joel and many others have testified of this happening in the "latter days" of our time.

But Ephraim is to acknowledge this in Hosea 14:8 it is written to finally say, "What have I to do any more with idols?" And finally bring forth fruits equal and delightful unto the LORD.

You cannot properly build up the Kingdom of God upon this earth, without keeping the celestial "law" given in D&C 42, and very "foundation" of God's true church given in section 70, of equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly, for homes and lands, food and raiment where ever God has placed us.

For if you desire for a place in his celestial kingdom, you must keep his celestial law it is written, and if you desire to build up Zion, it must be done according to his celestial law, otherwise he cannot receive her unto himself.
(See D&C 105:2-5)(D&C 110:8)(D&C 97:17)(D&C 82:17-20)and of course (D&C 78:5-7) ♡

21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

And of course you made read in Jacob 5:46-74 of how this is to be corrected. And if you look closely at verse 72 you will see the servants obey the Lord of the vineyard "in all things".

Yes even Isaiah testifies in chapter 58:6-14 how this breach is to be repaired and paths restored to dwell in, breaking every yoke, undoing the heavy burdens, and setting the poor free of poverty, where the LORD shall finally come saying, "Here I am" see verse 9.♡

"Glory to God in the highest."

That his children finally manifest love one for another.♡

Peace on earth, and goodwill, among his people.♡

There is no temple in the Kingdom of Heaven, because there is no place in heaven set aside as holy. In heaven, everywhere is holy, and I suppose there is only a place set aside for that which is not holy.

But before the Kingdom of Heaven comes to Earth, we must build up the Kingdom of God which are the Temples. The Church is using tithing funds to build temples. The poor who enter and make sacred covenants in Temples of the Lord, are better able to lift themselves out of poverty. No handouts needed.

Although there is a place for handups in the Church.

The New Jerusalem that John saw was come down to the earth, same as the prophet Ether saw in Ether 13:4-8, that there shall be a city built upon this land, as also is written of in D&C 42:9 & 45:66 & Moses 7:62-65, with the resurrection of all men, and Zion, the New Jerusalem, shall rest for a thousand years.

So possibly no more need to do baptisms for the dead as well?

Temples have been used for the House of David of Israel, of which the two which were built were destroyed. Ephraim has built many temples, but because they have not amended their ways and doings, does not look too good for their temples to remain standing if they have become idols adored and lifted up in the peoples eyes, above the needs of the poor.

Look at all written about temples and why they are destroyed, and why there will be a city of a New Jerusalem when Jesus Christ comes to dwell with Enoch, but no temple in that city, for Jesus Christ will be there in person and be the light to look to not any building made of brick and stone, made by the hands of men to idolize.

Interesting to ponder upon the things written, although from Joseph's day till today and for a time yet, they must be built to fullfill the words of Hosea, every wit.♡

And sorry but hand outs are done by Joshua in chapter 1:6, and hand outs are to be done to the poor, from the Sons of Levi during the feasts of the Jews, or from the Bishops hands imparting unto the poor as required in D&C 42:30 sufficient for the needs and wants of the poor, before any "residue" is to be used to build temples, yes look carefully in 42:33-35 at the word "residue" yes "residue" I will repeat that one more time for any lawyers in this house that know this word and it's meaning, "residue", after the poor are imparted covenants and deeds that cannot be broken, sufficient for their wants and needs that are just, yes only the "residue" is to be used to build houses of worship and purchase lands for the public benefit of the members.

Go and take D&C 42, to any lawyer or investigative reporter, and ask the question-------

What is to take place before any "residue" is used?

See what they have to tell you as plain as can be.♡

And read the heading for this section which is to be called the "law to be embraced by the church".♡

Got to love what the Spirit of truth, and the word of the LORD, can manifest unto you.♡

Now this is where true faith comes in, for many would say, there will not be any money leftover of "residue" to build temples ect., from the storehouse treasury, yet the LORD has said there shall be more than enough to do as he has commanded, and plenty to spare, with a call put out to the rich and the learned, the wise and the noble of the church to assist in this feast of fat things for the poor.
Does Jesus Christ tell the truth?

Herein is where faith is manifested.

Remember Brother Steven Jones on this forum asking members to help purchase outright a home for a homeless family?

He did not have the funds to complete this task when he started, but before he ended up being finished, he had enough money to buy for two families, homes to impart to them, with covenants and deeds of title, free and clear.

True faith manifested.

Got to love true faith manifested.

Ask elder Ballard to look into this and ask, "Can we do this for all the poor of the church as Jesus Christ has said to do, and end up with more than enough and to spare as the LORD has said?"

And remember he has said, "Do not brush these sincere questions aside, but seek to find the answer."♡