LDS Freedom Forum

Bee Prepared wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:Here's a thought:

Why don't we all give our full name, address, DOB, SSN, and last four of our favorite credit card number? I'm sure disclosing private information to a public forum holds no risks at all.

Who wants to go first?

I don't have a SSN, I'm here illegally. ;)

In that case, you can borrow one from Rewcox! I hear he has a collection! ;)

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

BTH&T wrote: or just playing a joke :))

Yeah, like Christ would have "joked around" when belittling, labeling, and heaping judgements at other fellow saints, rejoicing in his self-fulfilled prophecy of a sheep being lost from the fold (in his view), telling the world how he nailed it on the head, as if the spirit himself gave him such heavenly inspired revelation...? I get it.

I'll be honest. I've been called calcified, TBM, MM, hate mongerer.

Also, the spirit did not reveal to me about you, I figured it out myself. I do have 21 months of watching...

You said not to use your name, so I've been using BofM.

Bee Prepared wrote:
Whoa BoM! rewcox asked you to come back, where is the guile in that? Couldn't we all do better at reaching out in love, you and me?

Bee... same counsel to you as to rew... who are you? Feel free to follow the counsel of being non-anonymous. First and last name, city where you reside, a blog or two you participate or write, facebook, anything - the purpose of such have others treat you better (or the opposite affect with people like shadow) for seeing who you are typing to or with.

and to your question:

come back to what ms bee? please be real, are you saying for yourself, to come back to church? come back to Christ? come back to where you and rew are at?

How do you know where I, a son of God, am at, and my standing before Him? and whether or not Christ is visiting my wife and I in our home?

iWriteStuff wrote:Here's a thought:

Why don't we all give our full name, address, DOB, SSN, and last four of our favorite credit card number? I'm sure disclosing private information to a public forum holds no risks at all.

Who wants to go first?

Said the person who likes to take an invite to the far extreme...? Your point? Is this your love being shown here? Very very insightful comment if you ask me.

rewcox wrote:...

Thanks for the reply. I truly want to respond, however I have given you the courtesy of you knowing my name (first and last), all about myself and family (blogs, facebook, etc.), how the Lord blessed us financially hearing our prayers drawing us nearer to trusting him fully, as well as my heart’s feelings throughout this LDSFF.

As soon as you follow the same counsel all LDS are to follow in being non-anonymous in online forums where the gospel is shared, I’ll be happy to respond, until then, you are just an anonymous person who for the most part has shown me how much you don’t care about me, my wife and children, and any sincerity despite your disagreeing with me - hence the gospel you preach, in my view, is undesirable to me and my family.

My family (you can see my face, those of my treasured kids, my wife):
http://jaredandkathleensmith.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.facebook.com/jaredkathleensmith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My thoughts on some gospel related topics:
http://voiceofanearthquake.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How the Lord heard our plights and provided for us, lightening our burdens so we could be witnesses for him thereafter (see Mosiah 24):
Our Story:
http://prosperazon.org/t/our-story-how- ... pportunity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Principle Learned from the Lord:
http://prosperazon.org/t/the-grace-flow ... as-we-have" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some counsel by an LDS Leader about not being anonymous:
https://www.lds.org/new-era/2013/03/don ... s?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Avoid Wearing a Mask and Acting Out of Character
I am not suggesting that any of you would be involved in the kind of terrible events I have just described. I do believe, in our day, when being anonymous is easier than ever, that there are important principles involved in not wearing a mask and being “true to the faith … for which martyrs have perished.

We have great confidence in you. The leadership of the Church honestly believes that... you will act well your part as you avoid wearing a mask.

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:
Whoa BoM! rewcox asked you to come back, where is the guile in that? Couldn't we all do better at reaching out in love, you and me?

Bee... same counsel to you as to rew... who are you? Feel free to follow the counsel of being non-anonymous. First and last name, city where you reside, a blog or two you participate or write, facebook, anything - the purpose of such have others treat you better (or the opposite affect with people like shadow) for seeing who you are typing to or with.

True story: My brother is buying a house and wanted some help knowing the background on the property. So using just the address of the house, I pull up the county records. Using the county records, I found the name of the owners. Using the name of the owners I found his place of work, his entire employment history, and the name and date of birth of his firstborn child along with the hospital he was born in.

I'm not a "hacker" or even a data miner, just some dude with a computer and a sense of curiosity. I'm sure if I was a total jerk I could have obtained much more information.

See my point? You don't need a lot of information to totally wreck someone's privacy. Aside from a first name, I don't think I'd tell anyone diddly squat on here.

iWriteStuff wrote:

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:
Whoa BoM! rewcox asked you to come back, where is the guile in that? Couldn't we all do better at reaching out in love, you and me?

Bee... same counsel to you as to rew... who are you? Feel free to follow the counsel of being non-anonymous. First and last name, city where you reside, a blog or two you participate or write, facebook, anything - the purpose of such have others treat you better (or the opposite affect with people like shadow) for seeing who you are typing to or with.

True story: My brother is buying a house and wanted some help knowing the background on the property. So using just the address of the house, I pull up the county records. Using the county records, I found the name of the owners. Using the name of the owners I found his place of work, his entire employment history, and the name and date of birth of his firstborn child along with the hospital he was born in.

I'm not a "hacker" or even a data miner, just some dude with a computer and a sense of curiosity. I'm sure if I was a total jerk I could have obtained much more information.

See my point? You don't need a lot of information to totally wreck someone's privacy. Aside from a first name, I don't think I'd tell anyone diddly squat on here.

hmmmm... perfect love casteth out all fear... another gospel to you or are we still in the same gospel? You do have a point however, sounds like the same type of info that got Joseph Smith killed... way to much non-anonymity on his part, he should have been less public. God has and will warn me of any "hackers" or "stalkers", that I know and trust, what about you?

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:Here's a thought:

Why don't we all give our full name, address, DOB, SSN, and last four of our favorite credit card number? I'm sure disclosing private information to a public forum holds no risks at all.

Who wants to go first?

Said the person who likes to take an invite to the far extreme...? Your point? Is this your love being shown here? Very very insightful comment if you ask me.

Yes, my concern for securing personal information makes me a total tool....

Now about that credit card number....??? :ymparty:

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

iWriteStuff wrote:

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

Bee Prepared wrote:
Whoa BoM! rewcox asked you to come back, where is the guile in that? Couldn't we all do better at reaching out in love, you and me?

Bee... same counsel to you as to rew... who are you? Feel free to follow the counsel of being non-anonymous. First and last name, city where you reside, a blog or two you participate or write, facebook, anything - the purpose of such have others treat you better (or the opposite affect with people like shadow) for seeing who you are typing to or with.

True story: My brother is buying a house and wanted some help knowing the background on the property. So using just the address of the house, I pull up the county records. Using the county records, I found the name of the owners. Using the name of the owners I found his place of work, his entire employment history, and the name and date of birth of his firstborn child along with the hospital he was born in.

I'm not a "hacker" or even a data miner, just some dude with a computer and a sense of curiosity. I'm sure if I was a total jerk I could have obtained much more information.

See my point? You don't need a lot of information to totally wreck someone's privacy. Aside from a first name, I don't think I'd tell anyone diddly squat on here.

hmmmm... perfect love casteth out all fear... another gospel to you or are we still in the same gospel?

Dude, you just like to fight. I've been trying to throw cold water on this ordeal and you keep turning up the boiler. Good luck with that.

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I've said my first name several times. I see you are posting with an anonymous name.

I don't have a blog.

This is a pro LDS site. So be pro and post nice things. Bet you can't.

iWriteStuff wrote:
Dude, you just like to fight. I've been trying to throw cold water on this ordeal and you keep turning up the boiler. Good luck with that.

I get that being called out is no fun... please also don't assume fights and boilers...

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

There is only one Truth, one Way, one Savior, one Baptism.

Come back.

rewcox wrote:
There is only one Truth, one Way, one Savior, one Baptism.

Come back.

Please enlighten me... come back to what rewcox? To you? Do I have to come back to your church to find truth, to find the word, even Jesus Christ, my Savior? Address the image, don't just broken record it - that's not what Christ did - be like him.

BrotherOfMahonri wrote:

rewcox wrote:
There is only one Truth, one Way, one Savior, one Baptism.

Come back.

Please enlighten me... come back to what rewcox? To you? Do I have to come back to your church to find truth, to find the word, even Jesus Christ, my Savior? Address the image, don't just broken record it - that's not what Christ did - be like him.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

You can't win BofM. You can ignore. You can be deaf. You can be blind.

Come back to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Christ's church. With apostles and prophets. Be humble.

All y'all first of all need to learn a lesson about making fun of people's then there grammar. What does that accomplish other than maybe your candle burning brighter? Is that what you want to be known for? Maybe not everyone was as privileged as you are in learning proper grammar. People who nit pick grammar are in my opinion of the same spirit of those who nit pick people who sing off key - people I have to repent towards, as I have no desire to want be around such. Enough said on that.

Why are we taking our time to point out people's flaws rather than address the actual gospel they are speaking of. Why on earth would I ever want to belong to a church that espouses love of your church over love of another soul? What is so wrong with having an open discussion and being kind about one's sincere doubts? It feels like just a bunch of platitudes coming from all y'all rather than actual inspiration being ready to give an answer at any time for the "joy" that is within you. An answer inspired of heaven.

Sorry, but many of all y'all don't seem like you are rejoicing in happiness because of the eternal joy that is within you. It feels more like you are afraid to make a mistake in the "church" such that you are afraid of going to hell for such (I've been there). Are we so afraid of making a mistake within the confines of the church that we are missing the beauty of God's gospel, the joy God's love?

If we have created an environment where we feel the need to defend our quote unquote "church" trumps that of loving your family, loving and listening to your spouse, we are pharisees indeed. Such is not the heaven and God I am willing to give my life and family for. The church as the sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the church or the sabbath.

Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to be honestly seeking to know God better and to be met at every turn by people you thought loved you like your family, or the people who share your same faith, your fellow saints, and instead of even listening to what you say and what you are experiencing (which is for real) you treat them like they are going off the deep end, going into darkness, and are not worth your time. You dismiss their doubts with endless platitudes. Come back we are told. Why? Can we unlearn a truth? If we are not worshiping in truth (and in spirit), than we are not worshiping God correctly. The church has forced people to hide what they are really feeling, which takes away freedom to worship God in truth. Question the church, and question your eternal salvation, followed by platitudes.

God is love, God is not follow the prophet, God is not about correct grammar (he speaks according to our understanding and language). Unless love is your message you are preaching are you not off key?

“Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against mine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them.

“But those who cry transgression do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves.” (D&C 121:16–17.)

iWriteStuff wrote:Here's a thought:

Why don't we all give our full name, address, DOB, SSN, and last four of our favorite credit card number? I'm sure disclosing private information to a public forum holds no risks at all.

Who wants to go first?

:))

I hold the same sentiment that Stahura has. I feel like there are a many that are dissenters(trolls) and others(very few) that actually "follow the light". I have felt the impression not to post personal things on here. I've written many posts, yet never posted because of this.

I've pretty much read A TON of posts on her and finally resorted to studying the scriptures and reading books to get my "fill" for knowledge. Anyways, still lurking, yet not too hopeful.

Probably the wisest course to pursue.

Is it possible that the Forum PROBLEM is being caused by an obsessive use of pronouns?

IS it possible to discuss an idea, principle, or doctrine by citing 'proofs' from scripture - The LAW - without the use of pronouns?

Kitkat wrote:If we have created an environment where we feel the need to defend our quote unquote "church" trumps that of loving your family, loving and listening to your spouse, we are pharisees indeed. Such is not the heaven and God I am willing to give my life and family for. The church as the sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the church or the sabbath.

God is love, God is not follow the prophet, God is not about correct grammar (he speaks according to our understanding and language). Unless love is your message you are preaching are you not off key?

No offense, but this is a pro LDS site, with knowledge about ordinances and the temple.

If you post about nice things, that's great.

When you try to justify your beliefs by going after the church or leaders, I'll say something to you. You will never be right if you are going after the church or leaders, that does not prove your case.

rewcox wrote: There is only one Truth, one Way, one Savior, one Baptism.

Come back.

We err. Only God is omnipotent.

rewcox wrote:There is only one Truth, one Way, one Savior, one Baptism.

Come back.

This sounds like a Mormonad. Is it? Or is this original with you? If you made it up, you ought to make it into a meme. It sounds very good. (No sarc.)

Jarring and contention, name calling..

Can we talk about the doctrine of Christ?

Stahura wrote:Jarring and contention, name calling..

Can we talk about the doctrine of Christ?

We've tried that, no one posts.

Has anybody read David Bednars talk about the 4 levels of faith? It wasn't in General Conference, it was at byui or something..