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zionminded wrote:Words like "only true" echo of pride.

Those are the words of Jesus Christ Himself. There's so much wrong with your statement. Just bleh.... I don't even want to go there...

zionminded wrote:There is a LOT of truth in many belief systems.

No there's not. There actually isn't. The most correct that I've seen are the Baptists. They believe baptism of infants is wrong. Kudos for that. And...they know the name of Jesus. That's about it. I would give them the virgin birth doctrine, but they screw that up by not accepting Heavenly Father as the literal Father of Jesus. So I don't give it to them. It's too much like cherry picking.

zionminded wrote:There is also some amount of "error" in the church. I choose to say: "The CoJCoLDS is Christ's restored church today, and has more truth than you will find in any other organization, and will bring you to Christ faster and more completely than anything else."

I'm sure Lizzy60 will be along to thank you for your criticism of the Church any moment now.

Stourme wrote:

zionminded wrote:Words like "only true" echo of pride.

Those are the words of Jesus Christ Himself. There's so much wrong with your statement. Just bleh.... I don't even want to go there...

zionminded wrote:There is a LOT of truth in many belief systems.

No there's not. There actually isn't. The most correct that I've seen are the Baptists. They believe baptism of infants is wrong. Kudos for that. And...they know the name of Jesus. That's about it. I would give them the virgin birth doctrine, but they screw that up by not accepting Heavenly Father as the literal Father of Jesus. So I don't give it to them. It's too much like cherry picking.

zionminded wrote:There is also some amount of "error" in the church. I choose to say: "The CoJCoLDS is Christ's restored church today, and has more truth than you will find in any other organization, and will bring you to Christ faster and more completely than anything else."

I'm sure Lizzy60 will be along to thank you for your criticism of the Church any moment now.

There is a lot of truth in other belief systems a LOT. Lets take an extreme example:

Islam: They believe in angels, life after death, God, scriptures, prophets, Gods omniscience, prayer, charity, fasting, sacrifice, symbols to teach, moral standards, "sabbath" observance, gods mercy and love etc. And while there is a lot of distortion there is a lot of truth.

Take any number of Christian churches and there is a lot more truth. Its very comfortable to say that we have 100% truth and other churches have little to none, that they are the evil churches of the devil, but its not true. In fact, Christ inspires (through the spirit) and "talks too" many non-Mormon's and gives them truth. They don't always listen, nor do they have priesthood keys, but there is a lot of truth out there. The reason God allows this, is because not all of his children are ready for the full gospel of Christ.

Stourme wrote:

zionminded wrote:There is a LOT of truth in many belief systems.

No there's not. There actually isn't. The most correct that I've seen are the Baptists...

That may be true in terms of the narratives of our similar religions. However, in practice, many Buddhists are better Christians than the vast majority of Christians are. Many Muslims are, too. Not the ones we hear about, of course, but there are many Muslims who are very devout in the moral side of their faith. Prayer, fasting, faith, charity, devotion to God. Don't ANYONE read anything into my words other than exactly what they say: There are millions of Muslims out there who are workers of evil, but there are also some who are good.

skmo wrote:

Stourme wrote:

zionminded wrote:There is a LOT of truth in many belief systems.

No there's not. There actually isn't. The most correct that I've seen are the Baptists...

That may be true in terms of the narratives of our similar religions. However, in practice, many Buddhists are better Christians than the vast majority of Christians are. Many Muslims are, too. Not the ones we hear about, of course, but there are many Muslims who are very devout in the moral side of their faith. Prayer, fasting, faith, charity, devotion to God. Don't ANYONE read anything into my words other than exactly what they say: There are millions of Muslims out there who are workers of evil, but there are also some who are good.

There are actually more good Muslims than bad ones. Just like the christian KKK in the southern states years ago, that did horrific things but are not an indicator of Christianity as a whole.

zionminded wrote:There are actually more good Muslims than bad ones. Just like the christian KKK in the southern states years ago, that did horrific things but are not an indicator of Christianity as a whole.

Correct. There's over a billion and a half Muslims worldwide. If the majority of them were the angry terrorists we see on the news, we'd be at war on a global scale.

Franco wrote: Notice it states in verse 40 that there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, and it states in verse 41 that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection. There is obviously something missing in verse 40.

Or maybe there isn't anything missing. In the whole chapter, Paul uses pairs: celestial and terrestrial, incorruption and corruption or spiritual and natural. The words celestial and terrestrial simply mean heavenly and earthly. The verse 41 does speak of different glories. But is any of them terrestrial, i.e. earthly? In verse 39, he talks also about different natural bodies. There is nothing that links moon to terrestrial. Paul does state that resurrected bodies (or celestial bodies, as he calls them) have different glories just as celestial bodies (i.e. objects we see in the sky) differ in glory.

Franco wrote: Joseph Smith restored what Paul originally wrote. Those verses state: “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.”

Maybe Joseph didn't restore some original form, but gave an interpretation based on the further light and knowledge he had received.

zionminded wrote:There is a lot of truth in other belief systems a LOT. Lets take an extreme example:

mmmmm nope. :-w

zionminded wrote:Islam: They believe in angels, life after death, God, scriptures, prophets, Gods omniscience, prayer, charity, fasting, sacrifice, symbols to teach, moral standards, "sabbath" observance, gods mercy and love etc. And while there is a lot of distortion there is a lot of truth.

Using a similar word to describe something does not mean they have the truth. In other words, in all the principles you used to describe truth, none of Islams actual beliefs of what they words mean or how they are practiced is actually true. For example, Islam uses the word God, but they don't teach the truth about God. Same with "scriptures", "prayer", "fasting", "life after death", etc...

zionminded wrote:Take any number of Christian churches and there is a lot more truth.

No there's not. There's none. Zero. Nota. Zip.

You can't go to any church outside the LDS Church and substitute their teachings for one of ours and have it actually be the truth. That dog just ain't gonna hunt.

You can torture logic and try to smash that square peg into that round hole, but if you're intellectually honest you can't claim they have the truth.

I think what you're trying to do is you're trying to find commonalities. We have things in common with other religions. We have lots and lots of things in common. Like using a lot of the same words.

zionminded wrote:Its very comfortable to say that we have 100% truth and other churches have little to none, that they are the evil churches of the devil, but its not true.

Yes, it's very much true.

Are you aware that Jesus Christ Himself said they are evil? I don't really want to quote a thousand scriptural references. Are you aware that Nephi explicitly said that the devil was the founder of these modern day churches? Paul said they teach the doctrines of devils. Are you aware of what the prophets of the restoration has said about them?

Are you familiar what Orson Pratt said would be the results of your judgement if you took the sacrament in one of those other churches?

Sure, you can meet nice people every where. But I don't play games with something the Lord Himself called an "abomination". It is what it is.

I believe we should always be respectful towards other people's religion. And I am. But respectful absolutely does not mean that I should appear to lack conviction where the gospel is concerned. Gotta stand up and be counted.

A Mormon should never be guilty of giving someone the impression they can find God in any other place but the restored gospel.

skmo wrote:

zionminded wrote:There are actually more good Muslims than bad ones. Just like the christian KKK in the southern states years ago, that did horrific things but are not an indicator of Christianity as a whole.

Correct. There's over a billion and a half Muslims worldwide. If the majority of them were the angry terrorists we see on the news, we'd be at war on a global scale.

ummmm skmo....

We are at war on a global scale.

From the African continent, the middle east, Europe is seeing violence. It's spreading.

However, I don't think a Muslim invasion is what is in store for the US.

Take the red pill neo.

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: Joseph Smith restored what Paul originally wrote. Those verses state: “Also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial, and bodies telestial; but the glory of the celestial, one; and the terrestrial, another; and the telestial, another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.”

Maybe Joseph didn't restore some original form, but gave an interpretation based on the further light and knowledge he had received.[/quote]

Well said.

zionminded wrote: There is a lot of truth in other belief systems a LOT. Lets take an extreme example:

Islam: They believe in angels, life after death, God, scriptures, prophets, Gods omniscience, prayer, charity, fasting, sacrifice, symbols to teach, moral standards, "sabbath" observance, gods mercy and love etc. And while there is a lot of distortion there is a lot of truth.

They use all of those things to pervert the doctrine of Christ. They insist that Muhammad, a false prophet, was the last of all prophets.

In the words of Moroni,"Every thing which inviteth to do good and to persuade to believe in Christ is sent forth by the power and gift of Christ; wherefore ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of God."

"But whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do evil and believe not in Christ, and deny him, and serve not God, then ye may know with a perfect knowledge it is of the devil; for after this manner doth the devil work, for he persuadeth no man to do good, no, not one; neither do his angels; neither do they who subject themselves unto him."

In the words of Moroni, "And again I speak unto you who deny the revelations of God and say that they are done away, that there are no revelations, nor prophecies, nor gifts, nor healing, nor speaking with tongues, and the interpretation of tongues; Behold I say unto you, he that denieth these things knoweth not the gospel of Christ; yea, he has not read the scriptures; if so, he does not understand them."

In the words of Mormon, "Wo unto him that spurneth at the doings of the Lord; yea, wo unto him that shall deny the Christ and his works!

"Yea, wo unto him that shall deny the revelations of the Lord and that shall say the Lord no longer worketh by revelation, or by prophecy, or by gifts, or by tongues, or by healings, or by the power of the Holy Ghost!"

And again, the words of Moroni, "And now, behold, who can stand against the works of the Lord? Who can deny his sayings? Who will rise up against the almighty power of the Lord? Who will despise the works of the Lord? Who will despise the children of Christ? Behold, all ye who are despisers of the works of the Lord, for ye shall wonder and perish."

zionminded wrote:Take any number of Christian churches and there is a lot more truth. Its very comfortable to say that we have 100% truth and other churches have little to none, that they are the evil churches of the devil, but its not true. In fact, Christ inspires (through the spirit) and "talks too" many non-Mormon's and gives them truth. They don't always listen, nor do they have priesthood keys, but there is a lot of truth out there. The reason God allows this, is because not all of his children are ready for the full gospel of Christ.

All secular Christian churches are like unto the apostate Nephite churches; "And they began to build up churches unto themselves to get gain and began to deny the true church of Christ.

"And it came to pass that when two hundred and ten years had passed away there were many churches in the land; yea, there were many churches which professed to know the Christ, and yet they did deny the more parts of his gospel, insomuch that they did receive all manner of wickedness and did administer that which was sacred unto him to whom it had been forbidden because of unworthiness."

Jesus Christ told Joseph Smith that all the creeds of the supposedly Christian churches “were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’”

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: Notice it states in verse 40 that there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, and it states in verse 41 that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection. There is obviously something missing in verse 40.

Or maybe there isn't anything missing. In the whole chapter, Paul uses pairs: celestial and terrestrial, incorruption and corruption or spiritual and natural. The words celestial and terrestrial simply mean heavenly and earthly. The verse 41 does speak of different glories. But is any of them terrestrial, i.e. earthly? In verse 39, he talks also about different natural bodies. There is nothing that links moon to terrestrial. Paul does state that resurrected bodies (or celestial bodies, as he calls them) have different glories just as celestial bodies (i.e. objects we see in the sky) differ in glory.

You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

“There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.”

And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

I like the NIV a lot.
I find that if I read a passage from it (especially from the OT) and then read the same passage in the KJV it helps me understand the KJV better.

I think it's only a matter of time before the church moves away from the KJV in the English speaking world. I don't mean they will abandon it altogether, but they will use other versions in lesson materials etc when they work better, quote from other versions in GC and so on. In fact there is precedent for this. This year is the 100th anniversary of the publication of Jesus The Christ by James E. Talmage. I remember when I first read it I was surprised at Talmage's frequent references to and quotations from the "Revised Version" (especially in the footnotes).

All versions of the bible are.... even the beloved King James version...

the one i want to own is the FULL JST..

I travel all over the world, and I meet many people of different faiths and cultural backgrounds. We are not so different as you would think. Some people think that if your not LDS you're evil or bad or being blinded. There is a LOT of truth in the world. There is also a lot of evil, yes, and a lot of lies being told. But the amount of raw Christ-like beliefs is by far more pervasive than you might think, even if they're not Christian.

The Lord is preparing people of many backgrounds, who will be big leaders in Zion in the years ahead.

Stourme wrote:

zionminded wrote:Take any number of Christian churches and there is a lot more truth.

No there's not. There's none. Zero. Nota. Zip.

You can't go to any church outside the LDS Church and substitute their teachings for one of ours and have it actually be the truth. That dog just ain't gonna hunt.

Sure it is, unless the hunt you're on is a witch hunt (be sure to find out if she's made of wood.)As screwed up as the Catholic Church is, even they believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah and the Son of God. Many of the specifics about Him they have are wrong, so they only have a partial truth mixed with a lot of lies, but there is some truth in it.

I think what you're trying to do is you're trying to find commonalities. We have things in common with other religions. We have lots and lots of things in common. Like using a lot of the same words.

You're missing a capital letter. It's not the same word we have in common, it's the same Word. John told us about Him.

I believe we should always be respectful towards other people's religion. And I am. But respectful absolutely does not mean that I should appear to lack conviction where the gospel is concerned. Gotta stand up and be counted.

Yes, absolutely stand. However, try to be accurate in your use of words when you do. Just because someone has partial truth mixed with lies doesn't mean they don't have some truth, it just needs to be corrected to include the more correct knowledge that has been revealed to rectify and complete their truth.

A Mormon should never be guilty of giving someone the impression they can find God in any other place but the restored gospel.

I wonder if you realize that hubris is also a sin.

Stourme wrote:We are at war on a global scale.

No.

From the African continent, the middle east,

Yes, there is war in Africa and the Middle East. However, this is not new. I don't recall a time when some place in Africa wasn't at war withy another part, and that may be going back to almost pre-history (like flood time.) The Middle East has been at war with each other since before Moses.

Europe is seeing violence. It's spreading.

Scattered violent incidents is not a war. What's going on now in Europe's terror attacks hasn't gotten close to The Troubles in Northern Ireland, and they don't even refer to that as a war. There has been recent violence around Dresden, Germany. Compare that with the carpet bombing the last time there was a war and see if it compares (hint: It's not even close.)

You're probably correct about not having a Muslim invasion here. With the little Islamic population we already have, it's already enough for our evil-controlled government to start using it to control our lives. We're our own enemy.

Franco wrote: You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

Agreed. This is the verse 41 and the beginning of the next verse.

Franco wrote: And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

Don't agree. Verse 40 doesn't say anything about resurrection. Paul just says that there are earthly and heavenly bodies.
Also, verse 41 states that stars differ from one another, so the verse is really not a reference to three different categories.



EDIT: I highlighted what I agree with Franco (it's not the blatant disregard part :p )

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

Agreed. This the verse 41 and the beginning of the next verse.

Franco wrote: And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

Don't agree. Verse 40 doesn't say anything about resurrection. Paul just says that there are earthly and heavenly bodies.
Also, verse 41 states that stars differ from one another, so the verse is really not reference to three different categories.

Often we can seek for Chiasms, or a similar pattern to see what they are attempting to teach.

40. A. Celestial Body B. Terrestrial Body
42. B. Corruption A.Incorruption
43. B.Dishonour/weakness A. Power
44. B. Natural body A. Spiritual Body
45. B. Living Soul A. Quickened Soul
47. B. Earthy A. Heavenly
49. B. Earthy A. Heavenly

50. Kingdom of God = Incorruption
Flesh & Blood = corruption = Earthy = weakness = living soul = Terrestrial Body
Flesh/Corruption/Earthy/Terrestrial Body Cannot enter Kingdom of God.

Terrestrial (Greek) ἐπίγειος =(a) on the earth, belonging to the earth (as opposed to the sky), (b) in a spiritual sense, belonging to the earthly sphere, earthly (as opposed to heavenly)

Celestial (Greek) ἐπουράνιος = : heavenly, celestial, in the heavenly sphere, the sphere of spiritual activities; met: divine, spiritual

40 There are also celestial( ἐπουράνιος)[in the heavenly sphere] bodies, and bodies terrestrial(ἐπίγειος)[belonging to the earth]: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

Agreed. This the verse 41 and the beginning of the next verse.

Franco wrote: And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

Don't agree. Verse 40 doesn't say anything about resurrection. Paul just says that there are earthly and heavenly bodies.
Also, verse 41 states that stars differ from one another, so the verse is really not reference to three different categories.

With that said, The Resurrection of the dead is also being taught. That is the subject of half of this chapter basically, and Joseph Smith connected this scripture to our teaching that there are 3 kingdoms of Glory. There are multiple things being taught here.

Many moons ago when I was a missionary I read an article by Elder Alvin R Dyer who claimed this was a pre-existence scripture.
His position was that the varying degrees of glory seemingly described by Paul referred to our stations in the pre-mortal life and explains our situations in this life. This is why, he said, it then goes on to say "so also is the resurrection".

Some of what he said would be described today as racist. However, I mention it simply to point out that even within Mormon theology there are varying interpretations of this scripture.

Robin Hood wrote:Many moons ago when I was a missionary I read an article by Elder Alvin R Dyer who claimed this was a pre-existence scripture.
His position was that the varying degrees of glory seemingly described by Paul referred to our stations in the pre-mortal life and explains our situations in this life. This is why, he said, it then goes on to say "so also is the resurrection".

Some of what he said would be described today as racist. However, I mention it simply to point out that even within Mormon theology there are varying interpretations of this scripture.

Yes.. I have read that too, that interpretation still finds its way to my mind and I still consider it from time to timr

I heard from a fellow who served his mission in Tonga that in the Revised West Version of the Tongan Bible (the version preferred by the LDS church), Genesis 49:23 is a huge missionary tool. In English it's clearly part of Jacob's blessing of his son Joseph, although it's not clear to me whether the imagery of archers attacking him is a literal prophecy or just symbolic of the persecution his lineage would face. Anyway.

In this particular Tongan version, the word used for "archer" has come to mean "gunman," and it says "shot" rather than "shot at." So LDS missionaries use this to tell investigators that it's actually a hidden prophecy about Joseph Smith, who was shot by gunmen, since Joseph of Egypt was never shot, as far as we know. At least not with a gun.

James Egan Moulton produced a newer Tongan translation of the Bible that does not contain these errors. Would the more accurate version be considered a tool of Satan since it removes one of the tools that brings people to the LDS church? Even if that tool is based on a translation error?

Stahura wrote:

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

Agreed. This the verse 41 and the beginning of the next verse.

Franco wrote: And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

Don't agree. Verse 40 doesn't say anything about resurrection. Paul just says that there are earthly and heavenly bodies.
Also, verse 41 states that stars differ from one another, so the verse is really not reference to three different categories.

Often we can seek for Chiasms, or a similar pattern to see what they are attempting to teach.

40. A. Celestial Body B. Terrestrial Body
42. B. Corruption A.Incorruption
43. B.Dishonour/weakness A. Power
44. B. Natural body A. Spiritual Body
45. B. Living Soul A. Quickened Soul
47. B. Earthy A. Heavenly
49. B. Earthy A. Heavenly

50. Kingdom of God = Incorruption
Flesh & Blood = corruption = Earthy = weakness = living soul = Terrestrial Body
Flesh/Corruption/Earthy/Terrestrial Body Cannot enter Kingdom of God.

Terrestrial (Greek) ἐπίγειος =(a) on the earth, belonging to the earth (as opposed to the sky), (b) in a spiritual sense, belonging to the earthly sphere, earthly (as opposed to heavenly)

Celestial (Greek) ἐπουράνιος = : heavenly, celestial, in the heavenly sphere, the sphere of spiritual activities; met: divine, spiritual

40 There are also celestial( ἐπουράνιος)[in the heavenly sphere] bodies, and bodies terrestrial(ἐπίγειος)[belonging to the earth]: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another

You guys keep posting your interpretation of the scriptures in question without posting the actual scriptures.

1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible reads as follows:

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

“There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.”

What was Paul's purpose in saying that the sun has one kind of glory, and the moon has another kind of glory, and the stars have another kind of glory?

If you do not think Paul was saying that there are three different glories in the resurrection, then please answer my question.

Franco wrote:

Stahura wrote:

inho wrote:

Franco wrote: You have put forth a blatant disregard for the scriptures. 1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible does, in fact, state that there are different types of bodies and different types of glory in the resurrection.

Agreed. This the verse 41 and the beginning of the next verse.

Franco wrote: And it is a fact that verse 40 states there are only two types of bodies and two types of glory in the resurrection, while verse 41 states that there are three different types of glory in the resurrection, which means there is something missing in verse 40.

Don't agree. Verse 40 doesn't say anything about resurrection. Paul just says that there are earthly and heavenly bodies.
Also, verse 41 states that stars differ from one another, so the verse is really not reference to three different categories.

Often we can seek for Chiasms, or a similar pattern to see what they are attempting to teach.

40. A. Celestial Body B. Terrestrial Body
42. B. Corruption A.Incorruption
43. B.Dishonour/weakness A. Power
44. B. Natural body A. Spiritual Body
45. B. Living Soul A. Quickened Soul
47. B. Earthy A. Heavenly
49. B. Earthy A. Heavenly

50. Kingdom of God = Incorruption
Flesh & Blood = corruption = Earthy = weakness = living soul = Terrestrial Body
Flesh/Corruption/Earthy/Terrestrial Body Cannot enter Kingdom of God.

Terrestrial (Greek) ἐπίγειος =(a) on the earth, belonging to the earth (as opposed to the sky), (b) in a spiritual sense, belonging to the earthly sphere, earthly (as opposed to heavenly)

Celestial (Greek) ἐπουράνιος = : heavenly, celestial, in the heavenly sphere, the sphere of spiritual activities; met: divine, spiritual

40 There are also celestial( ἐπουράνιος)[in the heavenly sphere] bodies, and bodies terrestrial(ἐπίγειος)[belonging to the earth]: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another

You guys keep posting your interpretation of the scriptures in question without posting the actual scriptures.

1 Corinthians 15:40-43 in the King James Version of the Bible reads as follows:

“There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

“There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption.

“It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.”

What was Paul's purpose in saying that the sun has one kind of glory, and the moon has another kind of glory, and the stars have another kind of glory?

If you do not think Paul was saying that there are three different glories in the resurrection, then please answer my question.

He was. That's why i pointed out that multiple things are being taught here. He's teaching both the 3 glories, and that there is a difference between earthly and heavenly bodies.