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Thanks for the scriptures Freedom I find the Helamen 13 one particularly appropriate for this discussion.

JST Matthew 21: 44–56

Jesus said unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner; this is the Lord's doings, and it is marvelous in our eyes. Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. For whosoever shall fall on this stone, shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. And they said among themselves, Shall this man think that he alone can spoil this great kingdom? And they were angry with him But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they learned that the multitude took him for a prophet.

And now his disciples came to him, and Jesus said unto them, Marvel ye at the words of the parable which I spake unto them? Verily, I say unto you, I am the stone, and those wicked ones reject me.

I am the head of the corner. These Jews shall fall upon me, and shall be broken. And the kingdom of God shall be taken from them, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof (meaning the Gentiles). Wherefore, on whomsoever this stone shall fall, it shall grind him to powder.

And when the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, he will destroy those miserable, wicked men, and will let again his vineyard unto other husbandmen, even in the last days, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

And then understood they the parable which he spake unto them, that the Gentiles should be destroyed also, when the Lord should descend out of heaven to reign in his vineyard, which is the earth and the inhabitants thereof.

boo wrote:Believe me I have. You haven't explained why I am to be condemned for doing what the Savior and his disciples did.

You kicked everyone out of the temple? Or do you have the keys now? Did you wrestle them from Snuffer?
You're comparing yourself to the Savior and/or Peter and Paul. No wonder why you do the things you do @-)

shadow wrote:

boo wrote:Believe me I have. You haven't explained why I am to be condemned for doing what the Savior and his disciples did.

You kicked everyone out of the temple? Or do you have the keys now? Did you wrestle them from Snuffer?
You're comparing yourself to the Savior and/or Peter and Paul. No wonder why you do the things you do @-)

I guess we better quit teaching our children the song "I'm Trying To Be Like Jesus." Heaven forbid they grow up thinking that's appropriate.

It is appropriate to be like Jesus. Boo did nothing like Jesus would do. Jesus is upfront and honest, not deceitful. When he thought the temple was being run by thugs, he kicked them out. Boo thinks those running the temples have no authority to do it, which makes everything done in the temple invalid, yet he's a temple worker. That's not honest. If boo thinks those running the temples have the authority and keys to do it, then he's being dishonest by going outside proper keys and authority to be baptized again. Either way boo is deceitful.

boo wrote:Believe me I have. You haven't explained why I am to be condemned for doing what the Savior and his disciples did.

Its very simple Boo. You and Snuffer apparently believe that the LDS church no longer holds valid Melchizedek Priesthood authority/keys to administer the ordinances of salvation. That includes all the ordinances of the temple. Snuffer said he has wrested the keys away from the first presidency and is now the recognized legal administrator in the eyes of the Lord having replaced the first presidency and 12 in that capacity.

If you believe that and apparently you do based upon your statements on this forum then you have no right to utilize and attend the temples of the LDS church for your own purposes.

Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

You apparently do not believe that anymore so you should not enjoy the privilege of attending these sacred temples dedicated and administered by the LDS church for use by its worthy recommend holding membership.

Your current beliefs if declared honestly to proper priesthood leaders would not allow you to hold a valid temple recommend. You are doing so under the guise of deceit if you continue to attend the LDS temple.

You should have your new prophet dedicate a temple building for use by those who sustain him as holding these legitimate priesthood keys. Thats what the TLC church did and thats what Snuffers following should do as well.

Mark wrote:
Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

Can you tell me when the original requisite to entering the Temple of having faith in Christ first changed to having faith in those 15 men?
It wasn't in 1836, that much I know. So when did this start?
It seems God forgot to mention this requisite to the one Church President that he visited on more than one occasion and gave hundreds of revelation to.
I suppose he's a forgetful God?

Stahura wrote:In my Youth, I was taught that LDS Temples are the only place on earth where Satan and his minions CANNOT enter. So..if that's true, and if he was in an LDS Temple, how could he be deceived by an UNholy spirit? How can we be deceived inside an LDS Temple?

Every locker in all LDS temples have locks and keys. Why? To prevent theft. Why be concerned about, and take measures to prevent, someone stealing your stuff in an LDS temple if Satan and his minions can't enter and tempt people to steal (among other things)?

Many people have hidden cameras on their persons and recorded the audio and video of the entire endowment session, and initiatory sessions (available online for all to see). Is that honest? Christ-like? Or did Satan and his minions tempt these people to do such a heinous thing? They didn't turn their hidden cameras off once they entered the temple, so the temptation by unholy spirits/Satan continued inside the temple.

In the past year or so, many women have refused to veil their faces during that portion of the endowment sessions. Some have refused to stand and participate properly. They have caused the sessions to be null and void, wasting dozens of people's time, bringing a negative, prideful spirit into the sessions/temples, etc. Who is 'inspiring' them to do these things inside the temples?

There have been several cases of two men attempting to trick and fool their local leaders and temple workers, and have tried to get sealed in the temple. Lots of deceiving going on inside the temple in these cases. Oh, and crazy polygamous couples sneaking into sealing rooms so they could 'seal' themselves to... themselves. (All of these accounts were reported in legit news sources)

Countless other stories, which of course, you're welcome to believe or not, where people have received "revelation" inside the temple (usually in the celestial room) in regards to other people ("I'm supposed to marry you" - when the other person was already married, etc.). Deception inside the temple? Most definitely.

I'm sure Satan would be entirely thrilled for LDS people to believe they can't be deceived or tempted or receive false revelation inside LDS temples. A great victory for the great Deceiver.

Stahura wrote:

Mark wrote:
Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

Can you tell me when the original requisite to entering the Temple of having faith in Christ first changed to having faith in those 15 men?
It wasn't in 1836, that much I know. So when did this start?
It seems God forgot to mention this requisite to the one Church President that he visited on more than one occasion and gave hundreds of revelation to.
I suppose he's a forgetful God?

Are you telling me that Joseph Smith invited all those folks who apostatized from the church by condemning him as a false prophet and actively worked to overthrow his position as the legal administrator holding proper priesthood keys to enter into temple worship with him? Is that what you are saying he did Stahura? Please state your references on this.

Mark wrote:

Stahura wrote:

Mark wrote:
Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

Can you tell me when the original requisite to entering the Temple of having faith in Christ first changed to having faith in those 15 men?
It wasn't in 1836, that much I know. So when did this start?
It seems God forgot to mention this requisite to the one Church President that he visited on more than one occasion and gave hundreds of revelation to.
I suppose he's a forgetful God?

Are you telling me that Joseph Smith invited all those folks who apostatized from the church by condemning him as a false prophet and actively worked to overthrow his position as the legal administrator holding proper priesthood keys to enter into temple worship with him? Is that what you are saying he did Stahura? Please state your references on this.

What I'm saying is that God never revealed that you cannot enter HIS house unless you verbally express your belief in 15 men. It seems he forgot to tell Joseph to ask members if they believe in him and 14 others before they can enter the Temple, and then keep them from entering if they don't believe. There is no reference state, because it never happened.

You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

Stahura wrote:You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

Its not believing in 15 mortal men...its believing that God has called 15 mortal men to His ministry and to administrate the affairs of His church. If you don't believe that...you probably shouldn't be in the church and doing yourself a disservice in the process.

There is no break in the chain of command that originated with the restoration of the organization of the church administered by the also restored Holy Priesthood beginning with Joseph Smith and the many others (of whom a great number left to kick the bricks of their pride and continue to do so...and a few came back...and hopefully will do so even if in the life to come).

In the temple you covenant to build the Kingdom and specifically the church...lead by God through those 15 mortal men. If you fundamentally don't believe that....why in the world would anyone want to attend the temple and make promises they had no intention of keeping? Not to mention that you have to lie to get a recommend just to get in and lie again before God, angels, and all those witnesses present there.

Its bad enough to have good intentions and fall short (none of us are perfect)...but seems completely asinine to me to have no intention whatsoever and still proceed.

And also that which was written by the prophet Malachi: For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Wherefore, this shall be the answer of the Lord unto them:

In that day when I came unto mine own, no man among you received me, and you were driven out.

When I called again there was none of you to answer; yet my arm was not shortened at all that I could not redeem, neither my power to deliver.

Behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea. I make the rivers a wilderness; their fish stink, and die for thirst.

I clothe the heavens with blackness, and make sackcloth their covering.

And this shall ye have of my hand—ye shall lie down in sorrow.

Behold, and lo, there are none to deliver you; for ye obeyed not my voice when I called to you out of the heavens; ye believed not my servants, and when they were sent unto you ye received them not.

Wherefore, they sealed up the testimony and bound up the law, and ye were delivered over unto darkness.

These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

Behold the Lord your God hath spoken it. Amen.

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Saying "Satan can't enter" an LDS temple is hippy-dippy hocus-pocus baloney. If we humans, with our lying and perversion and hypocrisy and hidden abuse, can enter, then "satan" is entering with us - all the cases EmmaLee just listed are relevant proof. Temples can be defiled - you can defile your bodily temple by evil and dishonest acts - and you can certainly defile a dedicated building/structure temple by entering with evil or committing evil or dishonesty inside it. This definitely clouds the issue for me, when it comes to DS's movement. He's not responsible for what his "followers" are doing - in fact, he's decrying a lot of it in his recent posts, all the petty jarrings and contentions and nonsense going on in the fellowships (and between fellowships) - you guys have achieved nothing yet, no ZION to show the world as a shining ensign or beacon on a hill. I can't imagine he would approve of lying and dishonesty to get a temple recommend to enter an LDS Temple. You may not like the TR questions, you may think they're inappropriate or unfair, you may disagree with the fact that you have to answer to the bishopric and stake presidency, and get their signatures to enter an LDS Temple. But you might as well go forge your own temple recommend as lie your way through the questions - much harder to forge now that it's computerized - and they pretty much were forced to do that because of so much dishonesty (people entering who shouldn't - all these people had justifications and did mental gymnastics flips, twisted thinking, or committed downright blatant deception to enter). It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that a believer in DS would put any stock/value in entering an LDS temple to pray in the celestial room or participate in ordinances they think are just pantomimes, or to even consider it "the House of the Lord" for that matter! This is where I'm going to cry absurdity and BS again! If DS believers are lying to keep temple recommends and enter temples, well that is proof in the pudding, that is bitter fruit. That's a person who cannot be trusted to just tell the simple truth. If satan or yourself has convinced you that it's okay to lie and deceive, to protect a privilege, that if you are also honest, doesn't mean anything anymore... I'm pretty sure DS would condone total honesty and facing whatever the just/unjust (as you see it) consequences might be. Please say this isn't so.

Jason wrote:

Stahura wrote:You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

Its not believing in 15 mortal men...its believing that God has called 15 mortal men to His ministry and to administrate the affairs of His church. If you don't believe that...you probably shouldn't be in the church and doing yourself a disservice in the process.

There is no break in the chain of command that originated with the restoration of the organization of the church administered by the also restored Holy Priesthood beginning with Joseph Smith and the many others (of whom a great number left to kick the bricks of their pride...and a few came back).

In the temple you covenant to build the Kingdom and specifically the church...lead by God through those 15 mortal men. If you fundamentally don't believe that....why in the world would anyone want to attend the temple and make promises they had no intention of keeping? Not to mention that you have to lie to get a recommend just to get in and lie again before God, angels, and all those witnesses present there.

Its bad enough to have good intentions and fall short (none of us are perfect)...but seems completely asinine to me to have no intention whatsoever and still proceed.

And also that which was written by the prophet Malachi: For, behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble; and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Wherefore, this shall be the answer of the Lord unto them:

In that day when I came unto mine own, no man among you received me, and you were driven out.

When I called again there was none of you to answer; yet my arm was not shortened at all that I could not redeem, neither my power to deliver.

Behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea. I make the rivers a wilderness; their fish stink, and die for thirst.

I clothe the heavens with blackness, and make sackcloth their covering.

And this shall ye have of my hand—ye shall lie down in sorrow.

Behold, and lo, there are none to deliver you; for ye obeyed not my voice when I called to you out of the heavens; ye believed not my servants, and when they were sent unto you ye received them not.

Wherefore, they sealed up the testimony and bound up the law, and ye were delivered over unto darkness.

These shall go away into outer darkness, where there is weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.

Behold the Lord your God hath spoken it. Amen.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testa ... ang=eng#72" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

well, whatever you want to call it, there was never a time that God said " You cannot enter my house without first verbally expressing your belief that I called these 15 men, and if you don't believe it you cannot enter my house and enter my Kingdom".

God has had Temples built throughout history, this is in the scriptures. It is his house, and he always said that he would fill that house with his glory. This is why I, and everyone else wants to enter the Temple. That's the fundamental belief and "incentive" to go seek and enter a Temple.
The fundamental belief and "incentive" to enter Temples was NEVER the idea that God called 15 men to lead us, as you suggested in your post

I don't think to myself, "ah wow, these 15 Apostles are so great. I really want to enter the Temple because those 15 men are so great, they are truly called of God, so I want to enter the Temple." Nobody thinks like that.
No. I think to myself "I love my Father in Heaven, I want to feel his presence and his presence can be found in the building that he says is his house, a building in which he has promised to fill with his glory. I want to go there to feel his presence."

This is why, in Joseph's time there was no requisite of expressing belief in the calling of 15 men and obtaining a recommend to enter the Lord's house.

Stahura wrote:

Mark wrote:
Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

Can you tell me when the original requisite to entering the Temple of having faith in Christ first changed to having faith in those 15 men?
It wasn't in 1836, that much I know. So when did this start?
It seems God forgot to mention this requisite to the one Church President that he visited on more than one occasion and gave hundreds of revelation to.
I suppose he's a forgetful God?

It's always been that way, even before temples. This was given in 1830-

1 Behold, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ,

2 Being inspired of the Holy Ghost to lay the foundation thereof, and to build it up unto the most holy faith.

3 Which church was organized and established in the year of your Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April.

4 Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

5 For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

6 For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.

When presented with the facts, it seems you either have to accept that the "chain" was broken, or you must accept that setting apart and ordination and laying on of hands is a mere formality.

Jason wrote:
There is no break in the chain of command that originated with the restoration of the organization of the church administered by the also restored Holy Priesthood beginning with Joseph Smith and the many others (of whom a great number left to kick the bricks of their pride and continue to do so...and a few came back...and hopefully will do so even if in the life to come).

One point is that Brigham Young , John Taylor, and Wilford Woodruff were not ordained nor set apart to be the President of The Church, they just stepped into the position and were sustained. Then Lorenzo Snow was the first to be officially set apart but not ordained, they specifically said that the President didn't need to be ordained, only set apart. Starting with David O Mckay though, they were then set apart AND ordained.

That certainly is strange and we are presented with 2 theories.
1. Setting apart and ordination is a mere formality and doesn't actually effect the passing of the keys, and therefore the line of succession was not broken.
2. Setting apart and ordination are necessary for the passing along of keys and the appointment of a new President, and therefore the line of succession was broken.

shadow wrote:

Stahura wrote:

Mark wrote:
Those temples are dedicated for use by worthy members who sustain the current first presidency and quorum of the 12 as P/S/R and legitimate holders of these necessary priesthood keys.

Can you tell me when the original requisite to entering the Temple of having faith in Christ first changed to having faith in those 15 men?
It wasn't in 1836, that much I know. So when did this start?
It seems God forgot to mention this requisite to the one Church President that he visited on more than one occasion and gave hundreds of revelation to.
I suppose he's a forgetful God?

It's always been that way, even before temples. This was given in 1830-

1 Behold, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ,

2 Being inspired of the Holy Ghost to lay the foundation thereof, and to build it up unto the most holy faith.

3 Which church was organized and established in the year of your Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April.

4 Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all holiness before me;

5 For his word ye shall receive, as if from mine own mouth, in all patience and faith.

6 For by doing these things the gates of hell shall not prevail against you; yea, and the Lord God will disperse the powers of darkness from before you, and cause the heavens to shake for your good, and his name’s glory.

um.. Where in that scripture does it speak of FIFTEEN men that will ever fill those positions in the Church being prophets seers and revelators , and ALSO that we must BELIEVE IN THEM to enter the Temple?

How does this scripture have anything to do with what I said?

I said that God never gave the requirement of expressing belief in 15 men before we can enter the Temple, and you post a scripture that simply shows that Joseph Smith is a prophet, seer, translator, and apostle, and that we should heed HIS words(Joseph Smith).

Stahura wrote:You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

The temple should have a Baptist day, a Catholic day, a JW day, a Methodist day etc since they all profess a belief in Christ.
You may want to think it through a bit, Stahura.

For me, it doesn't even have to go deeper than plain old honesty. Hypocrisy is pretending to be something you most certainly are not. The Lord condemns it handily. I'm not calling anyone else a hypocrite. I'm not pointing fingers at boo or you, Stahura, or anyone else who may or may not fully believe Snuffer or have been rebaptized. But circumventing a process via deception, whether you agree with it or not, may be some form of protest or whatever, but it's still dishonest. The Lord would probably prefer you resort to mountain tops than to become such, deceiver of both self and leader. This is just my opinion, but I don't think the Lord could trust such a person either. Truth is also honesty and being transparent. I appreciate this discussion immensely because it has inspired me to take another very personal inventory - am I truly being honest with the Lord in all things and those I deal with everyday. The Lord said to do whatever those who sit in Moses's seat say to do, just don't do as they do (if they are hypocrites) - that means your bishop and stake president COULD be lying weasels and you still answer the questions honestly (even if you think they're unfair or part of a process which has become corrupted) - you don't enter under false pretenses. If you haven't figured everything out yet, and have not taken action yet, if you're still weighing stuff in your head, I think that's a bit different - but if you've taken action, that's a line. Even Denver said if you are a member of the church you should observe the word of wisdom as they expect (no alcohol) even though the interpretation has changed since the revelation was given (beer and ale were not excluded). I'm not saying I have this all figured out, but I'm going to be much more careful that I'm not a hypocrite and a liar going forward. This situation is not like "lying to hide and save Jews" in Nazi Germany...

Stahura, I, for one, would love to see (as close to) original sources (as possible) for your ordination, setting apart, etc., claim.

shadow wrote:

Stahura wrote:You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

The temple should have a Baptist day, a Catholic day, a JW day, a Methodist day etc since they all profess a belief in Christ.
You may want to think it through a bit, Stahura.

You avoid what I have to say because there's no answer to it, and you know. God simply never gave a commandment that none can enter the Temple without first verbally expressing a belief in 15 church leaders.
This did not begin with Joseph Smith, the only Church Leader that God appeared to multiple times and revealed hundreds of things to. God was very specific about his Temple and even the dimensions of it, but he forgot to tell Joseph about the questions he must ask before someone enters the Temple?

Jesef wrote:Stahura, I, for one, would love to see (as close to) original sources (as possible) for your ordination, setting apart, etc., claim.

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feel free to read it if you'd like. Most Mormons disregard this author.
I don't care much about this topic, I only bring it up when people talk about the line of succession.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the question we are asked is: Do you SUPPORT the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve as Prophets, Seers and Revelators?

Stahura wrote:

shadow wrote:

Stahura wrote:You'd think the only pre requisite to entering the Lord's house would be faith in the Lord. It's just ironic that you're kicked out if you don't believe in 15 mortal men. God has never given such a commandment.
This is all besides my own personal belief.
I'm thinking with an objective mind, and none of this makes sense.
By teaching that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God without going into the Temple, and then not allowing people INTO the Temple who don't believe in 15 men, you are putting a man in between you and your God.

The temple should have a Baptist day, a Catholic day, a JW day, a Methodist day etc since they all profess a belief in Christ.
You may want to think it through a bit, Stahura.

You avoid what I have to say because there's no answer to it, and you know. God simply never gave a commandment that none can enter the Temple without first verbally expressing a belief in 15 church leaders.
This did not begin with Joseph Smith, the only Church Leader that God appeared to multiple times and revealed hundreds of things to. God was very specific about his Temple and even the dimensions of it, but he forgot to tell Joseph about the questions he must ask before someone enters the Temple?

Where did God say one must profess a belief in Christ to enter the temple?
Why can't Catholics and Baptists enter the temple?? Do you think they should?

natasha wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the question we are asked is: Do you SUPPORT the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve as Prophets, Seers and Revelators?

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