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freedomforall wrote:This guy has been booted off LDSFF at least 2 other times for his claims to be Jesus Christ. just in the past few months.

If he were Christ he would know the given and last name of every single person on this forum. For Christ says,

John 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

He would know each and every person's thoughts and the condition of our hearts.[/quote]

Emmanuel wrote:I do not know this person Julie Rowe, have not read her works. Therefore I can not comment on her works.

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markharr wrote:

freedomforall wrote:This guy has been booted off LDSFF at least 2 other times for his claims to be Jesus Christ. just in the past few months.

If he were Christ he would know the given and last name of every single person on this forum. For Christ says,

John 10:27
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

He would know each and every person's thoughts and the condition of our hearts.

Emmanuel wrote:I do not know this person Julie Rowe, have not read her works. Therefore I can not comment on her works.

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The sheep have heard my voice some have and will be aided, before the time of ending. Many believe they know God and Christ and know how God works in his mystery's and yet they rejected it is not different in this time than it was with the Pharisees. The Pharisees obeyed Gods commandment read their scriptures daily and prayed openly see of men as righteous were they, yet they rejected the God they pray too and did not know Him is this generation any different.

A time soon comes I become whole then as expected all shall be known and my eye will pierce all souls and nothing hidden, for this mystery overcoming the world as a normal Son of man under mankind's restriction and afflictions, under mankind's burdens was necessary. This justify eternal law that someone was able to overcome the world against impossible odds. Hence the ending comes because of becoming worthy to open the Book of life. I was once the Son of God and became a Son of man to justify all righteousness, for a time I was myself bound in Hell and overcame Death and Hades therefore I am no longer subject to death and shall overcome the world of dead as a mortal to immortality, from temporal to eternal opening the way for others to follow. Hence I am rebuilding myself for my spirit was torn apart in Hell and must needs recover and align and become whole again then end shall come.

I prefer this not be about who I am but people read the information I have shared in grace about the future and underworld and it denizens. Abaddon should not be underestimated he is far above mankind's intelligence. If one was to look at his IQ it would require a number never written by mankind before this is what your up against and why you need the help of the Godhead. Repentance is the most important teaching for a time like this.

I read most of the "Left Behind" books, and watched the movies. I have also enjoyed watching "Cloud 10" movies even though the production quality is not as good as a Hollywood blockbuster. That being said, I have often wondered how many testimonies will be rattled when the end-times doesn't play out as per those movies with piles of neatly folded clothes left from the "Rapture", and the playing out of the final struggles between good and evil not happening exactly as portrayed by these movies as speculated by specific televangelists.

Bible prophecies are deliberately obfuscated. One can only find out what they mean though prayer and study. Even with this, many righteous people still don't come to the same conclusions. I don't think that it is the Lord's intention that prophecy be a "Crystal ball" for us to be able to get "Spoiler alerts" as to how and when every jot and tittle of the end times will play out, but as a guide for living and a comfort to us as we see terrible things happening around us.

Since I as is traditional LDS belief, I don't believe in predestination. I find one potential problem with prophesy is that it can create a paradox that it changes the future. For example if a prophet was to tell someone that they would travel to Baltimore and be killed, that person, if they didn't want to die would simply not go to Baltimore. Now if you believe in predestination, or you think that God behaves like a Hollywood horror movie where no matter how hard the hero tries to avoid something a "force" makes it happen, the act of making such a prediction would change the result.

Again, this is a forum for speculation and speculate away, but be wary of the Pride that has led to so many evangelistic disasters in thinking that you have it all figured out.

Regards,

George Clay

gclayjr wrote:I read most of the "Left Behind" books, and watched the movies. I have also enjoyed watching "Cloud 10" movies even though the production quality is not as good as a Hollywood blockbuster. That being said, I have often wondered how many testimonies will be rattled when the end-times doesn't play out as per those movies with piles of neatly folded clothes left from the "Rapture", and the playing out of the final struggles between good and evil not happening exactly as portrayed by these movies as speculated by specific televangelists.

Bible prophecies are deliberately obfuscated. One can only find out what they mean though prayer and study. Even with this, many righteous people still don't come to the same conclusions. I don't think that it is the Lord's intention that prophecy be a "Crystal ball" for us to be able to get "Spoiler alerts" as to how and when every jot and tittle of the end times will play out, but as a guide for living and a comfort to us as we see terrible things happening around us.

Since I as is traditional LDS belief, I don't believe in predestination. I find one potential problem with prophesy is that it can create a paradox that it changes the future. For example if a prophet was to tell someone that they would travel to Baltimore and be killed, that person, if they didn't want to die would simply not go to Baltimore. Now if you believe in predestination, or you think that God behaves like a Hollywood horror movie where no matter how hard the hero tries to avoid something a "force" makes it happen, the act of making such a prediction would change the result.

Again, this is a forum for speculation and speculate away, but be wary of the Pride that has led to so many evangelistic disasters in thinking that you have it all figured out.

Regards,

George Clay

Indeed the path of people is hidden from them so that as you said things are not changed as written. The future is known but also being written in the moment as a soul makes it choices. If a soul knew the path they may not walk it therefore not knowing the path is wisdom. This does not mean certain things do not get revealed but indeed it is done in way it is obfuscated as you said. A person is meant to interpret it based on their spirit and not all will interpret it for what it truly means. This is also so the wicked do not understand it and only the righteous are capable of understanding it mystery's, as Christ said it is given to his disciples to understand such things but to rest he spoke of it was not given. Even what I have revealed is not everything I am aware of, as in wisdom certain things must be kept unknown to mankind as things must play out as necessary for the greatest potential of harvest to come.

You know, he asked us to pray about who he was. I did. The answer I got is "he is an imposter."

commonwealth,

Are you talking about Christ???????

regards,

George Clay

I'm talking about Emmanuel, who seems to think he is Christ.

gclayjr wrote:commonwealth,

Are you talking about Christ???????

regards,

George Clay

I believe he is making a judgement calling me a imposter, claiming to have prayed about and received a answer which is a lie. As the Holy Spirit would not give such a answer and few will even be given such a witness for few are truly as a little child. I hope soon people stop making the focus about who I am I did not originally want to even reveal it but people continued to asked and asked by what authority and I had to give a answer. Upon doing so people react almost like hatred I have been mocked insulted scoffed at and judged and continue to give knowledge in grace, even prayed for the forgiveness of those who judged me that they may be forgiven if would repent in the future.

What I know about the future brings me sorrow and I wish it would not come but know it does, even I understand the fear and dread people are feeling as things get closer. But know this the Son of man descended below them all their is not a suffering not known by the Son of man that mankind has experienced in all of history. Take your strength in knowing that and know the world will be, was and is to be overcome and the way will open to free those trapped in the snare.

I don't know who you think you are, but the Spirit was very clear. You are an imposter.

commonwealth wrote:I don't know who you think you are, but the Spirit was very clear. You are an imposter.

The Spirit you heed unto it is not of God, the wise would not make such a judgement as you have made. I am only telling you this for your own good what you have done by doing so has given the adversary more power to act upon you in the opening of sixth seal. You would need to sincerely ask forgiveness to the Father and make effort in life to live righteously that it can be forgiven, forgiveness does not come easily after the opening of the sixth seal and now is the time for people to repent. The same spirit that you have listened to is the same who the leader of the Pharisees listened to and saw Christ as a imposter.

Clay,
Commonwealth is talking about BS, Emmanuel and other user names he has gone by. The guy/girl claims to be Christ. Why people actually interact with the poster is amazing. He also post false doctrine, but there are several people here that believe he IS Christ, and that is scary.

Idahommie,

Thank you. I detected that there is a lot of smoke billowing here. I made the posts that I did to remind people of what LDS doctrine was, in case they didn't know.

I guess some people have nothing better to do than to "play games" on on-line BBs. I only post intermittently, partially because there is much here that I don't believe that I can bring any value to, and partially because I am busy with life. I am about to go get a haircut and run some errands. So I wont be watching to pounce on any responses to this post.

Regards,

George Clay

idahommie wrote:Clay,
Commonwealth is talking about BS, Emmanuel and other user names he has gone by. The guy/girl claims to be Christ. Why people actually interact with the poster is amazing. He also post false doctrine, but there are several people here that believe he IS Christ, and that is scary.

The ones who have found the Son of man before the time of judgement, shall be of those which shall be called by the Father and offered sealing if they meet the righteousness necessary. To those who have judged, mocked and scoffed the knowledge they do have of truth is taken from them upon opening of sixth seal unless they repent before that time, for when the Light of world withdraws so too will his spirit be taken from many that the truth be not found in them any longer. The words of the Son are as the threshing of the house, for the wheat and chaff are already being sorted even before the time of threshing. So it is the sheep shall know their Shepard no mater what form he shall take just as Jacob knew his Lord and and all other on lookers saw but a man when Jacob wrestled with the Lord. Think not I can not take it upon myself to enter the fallen body of mortality and defeat it to overcome the unrighteous and sinful flesh for myself on behalf of those found in the book of life. It is they who have judged the spirit of truth should be afraid, not the meek who judged not and recognised the very Light they seek to be part off. I shall pour great blessings upon all who have believed while I was not whole for it is of greater faith such a act they have done and the true HolySpirit of God has answered them. Let it be said any who believes upon me in this time and asks in sincere faith and humility to my Father for healing of sickness of man even the incurable, if their faith be unwavering and they are meek and truly repent of their sins then shall they be whole.

Let me say this... I have been contemplating who Emmanuel is. I feel like this person has mental illness. I think that he/she is in a delusional manic phase. I have a friend who suffers with an intense mental disorder. One day her husband came home from work to find her in her temple dress speaking just the way Emmanuel is. I kind of feel bad for the guy. We have mental illness in our family. I think most families do. It's really awful. Probably best just to ignore and not fuel his interactions. I hope to restrain myself and not post on this thread anymore. Besides, I really think the son of God would be able to punctuate.

mattj wrote:I have been contemplating who Emmanuel is. I feel like this person has mental illness. I think that he/she is in a delusional manic phase.

Then why not just ignore him? Your theory is not unreasonable.

mattj wrote:Let me say this... I have been contemplating who Emmanuel is. I feel like this person has mental illness. I think that he/she is in a delusional manic phase. I have a friend who suffers with an intense mental disorder. One day her husband came home from work to find her in her temple dress speaking just the way Emmanuel is. I kind of feel bad for the guy. We have mental illness in our family. I think most families do. It's really awful. Probably best just to ignore and not fuel his interactions. I hope to restrain myself and not post on this thread anymore. Besides, I really think the son of God would be able to punctuate.

It seems few understand the reason for this scripture.

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

If prophets such as John the Baptist came upon this world and did what he did in his time, mankind would label him with a mental illness. The two witnesses will be seen by mankind as insane in how they will act and what they shall say and do, for they cometh in sackcloth and behold John the baptist is one them and he is the same Elijah who was and is to come, even Elias whom comes to prepare the way. And how that is so is a mystery in itself and they will be rejected by most of mankind in the time of their testimony and judged even more so than I have been.

If you look at The powers that rule in America. The anti Christ has been in power since the early 1900s. Since 1915 the anti Christ has had his men as either president or vise president except for 2 elections. Anyone of those men who have had a change of heart have been assassinated or an attempt on there lives. I'm talking about the illuminati Or tri lateral/ cfr buildsaberger group.

Which are not large in number but the power they wield is exactly as the op has described.

Ezra wrote:If you look at The powers that rule in America. The anti Christ has been in power since the early 1900s. Since 1915 the anti Christ has had his men as either president or vise president except for 2 elections. Anyone of those men who have had a change of heart have been assassinated or an attempt on there lives. I'm talking about the illuminati Or tri lateral/ cfr buildsaberger group.

Which are not large in number but the power they wield is exactly as the op has described.

The world has long been manipulated by the Devil and his Son the Antichrist and even Lucifer and his angels. Even mankind's genetics have been altered over the generations and are not as it once was when Adam and Eve first fell from Garden of Eden. Governments of the world are manipulated by adversary and have been used to set-up the world for the coming fall, after which what people call the new world order, will be part of the ruler-ship of Antichrist meaning he will be made ruler of the world in his time of rule and all laws and country's will be subject to his rule.

Emmanuel...you keep telling people to judge not. I get that to unrighteously judge is a sin. But I have to judge every situation I am in. We all make judgements based upon our experiences. It's how we progress in life. Judgment when done the right way is crucial.

mattj wrote:Emmanuel...you keep telling people to judge not. I get that to unrighteously judge is a sin. But I have to judge every situation I am in. We all make judgements based upon our experiences. It's how we progress in life. Judgment when done the right way is crucial.

The problem is many do it the wrong way and it becomes a sin.

setyourselffree wrote:

idahommie wrote:Clay,
Commonwealth is talking about BS, Emmanuel and other user names he has gone by. The guy/girl claims to be Christ. Why people actually interact with the poster is amazing. He also post false doctrine, but there are several people here that believe he IS Christ, and that is scary.

I just checked Emmanual's I.P address and it is not from this world.

I do not think like the world does for that is part of the snare, however I am indeed in this world at this time and under restrictions until this mystery is finished. It is only fair he appointed to judge overcomes the same snare of sin all others became bound to hades through.

When I worked at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas years ago, our Food & Beverage dept. was hosting a luncheon for all the other F&B departments and other important dignitaries on the Las Vegas Strip. Everyone who was anyone was going to be there.

We planned this thing for months in advance, so that on the final day, everything would be perfect. Our Executive Chef was the Architect of the event. He planned every detail and approved every choice. He wisely and carefully delegated individual projects, such as the carving of the ice statues and the arrangement of the flowers, to those he could trust. We all worked our tail ends off for this man. He was this special. He was always available to answer a question or help us out where needed, but he trusted us to pull the event together for him. It was a daunting task. I know. I was one of his Assistants.

As the time of the big event came closer, we saw him spending more hours in the kitchen and in the ballroom with us, checking every last detail, in addition to doing his full-time job as the Executive Chef of a busy Las Vegas resort. I don't know when the man slept. He was the Master Architect of this project, worked harder than anyone else, and was there almost all the time at the end. Of course, the event was a great success because his standards were so high.

Matchmaker wrote:When I worked at the Stardust Hotel in Las Vegas years ago, our Food & Beverage dept. was hosting a luncheon for all the other F&B departments and other important dignitaries on the Las Vegas Strip. Everyone who was anyone was going to be there.

We planned this thing for months in advance, so that on the final day, everything would be perfect. Our Executive Chef was the Architect of the event. He planned every detail and approved every choice. He wisely and carefully delegated individual projects, such as the carving of the ice statues and the arrangement of the flowers, to those he could trust. We all worked our tail ends off for this man. He was this special. He was always available to answer a question or help us out where needed, but he trusted us to pull the event together for him. It was a daunting task. I know. I was one of his Assistants.

As the time of the big event came closer, we saw him spending more hours in the kitchen and in the ballroom with us, checking every last detail, in addition to doing his full-time job as the Executive Chef of a busy Las Vegas resort. I don't know when the man slept. He was the Master Architect of this project, worked harder than anyone else, and was there almost all the time at the end. Of course, the event was a great success because his standards were so high.

A Father does not leave the children he seeks to bring into his fold to become lost in the darkness, he goes out looking for them and brings them safety to his home calling for them, but some children do not listen to the Fathers call and remain lost in the darkness but some see his the light of his torch and hear his voice and come unto him.

Let not the children of the earth be without oil for the offer of the oil is now and the store closes at stroke of midnight. Now is the time to fill the lamps in oil not delay and await for the darkness of night.

setyourselffree wrote:

idahommie wrote:Clay,
Commonwealth is talking about BS, Emmanuel and other user names he has gone by. The guy/girl claims to be Christ. Why people actually interact with the poster is amazing. He also post false doctrine, but there are several people here that believe he IS Christ, and that is scary.

I just checked Emmanual's I.P address and it is not from this world.

How does that work?

Sirocco wrote:

setyourselffree wrote:

idahommie wrote:Clay,
Commonwealth is talking about BS, Emmanuel and other user names he has gone by. The guy/girl claims to be Christ. Why people actually interact with the poster is amazing. He also post false doctrine, but there are several people here that believe he IS Christ, and that is scary.

I just checked Emmanual's I.P address and it is not from this world.

How does that work?

He was perhaps joking, saying I am a alien indirectly. I feel people are losing the point of this thread again focusing on me.