LDS Freedom Forum

Finrock wrote:

freedomforall wrote:To those who love God and purify themselves before him, God sometimes grants the privilege of seeing and knowing for themselves that he is God (Matt. 5:8; 3 Ne. 12:8; D&C 76:116–118; 93:1).

Hi freedomforall. I hope you have been well!

You say we must purify ourselves before God. I don't understand this because I keep thinking to myself if something is not pure, how can it purify itself? So, in sincerity, how have you or how are you going about purifying yourself?

-Finrock

By recognizing our sins and seeking forgiveness with real intent and full purpose of heart, we can, through the atonement become pure, without spot before Christ. Read Moroni 10:32,33

Christ will do nothing to purify us unless we plead with all our soul for it. I have experienced the cleansing power of the atonement in my life. It doesn't render us sinless for the rest of our lives. It means that when we do succumb to temptation, we immediately call upon God for forgiveness and keep striving to be clean and pure before him.
We read:

Mosiah 26:30
30 Yea, and as often as my people repent will I forgive them their trespasses against me.

I have experienced this as well:

2 Nephi 31:13
13 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, I know that if ye shall follow the Son, with full purpose of heart, acting no hypocrisy and no deception before God, but with real intent, repenting of your sins, witnessing unto the Father that ye are willing to take upon you the name of Christ, by baptism—yea, by following your Lord and your Savior down into the water, according to his word, behold, then shall ye receive the Holy Ghost; yea, then cometh the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost; and then can ye speak with the tongue of angels, and shout praises unto the Holy One of Israel.

Any and all who do as what is required to be forgiven of sin and be able to shout praises know just how peaceful and spiritually powerful this is. It is not easily forgotten.

We cannot purify ourselves, but we can do much to remain free from sin by seeking the Savior and repenting often. We also cannot save ourselves, but we can rely on the merits of whom has the power to save us and put our trust in him that he can actually do it. Why else is he called the Savior, if he were to not save anybody? We must recognize our impurity and go to the source of salvation, purity and hope.

Does this answer your concern?

Emmanuel wrote:

freedomforall wrote:What does this scripture tell us in the full sense?

Mosiah 18:9
9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life—

A person must first know God before can stand as a witness for God...

This is one way to look at it. Another is to be valiant in declaring Christ, bearing down in pure testimony against any evil and false doctrine wherever we are at, even a forum, letting all know that it is Christ to whom we seek to for salvation, for redemption and knowledge. Without pure testimony in all places, at all times and in all things we may not be a part of the first resurrection as written in Mosiah 18:9

Alma 4:19
19 And this he did that he himself might go forth among his people, or among the people of Nephi, that he might preach the word of God unto them, to stir them up in remembrance of their duty, and that he might pull down, by the word of God, all the pride and craftiness and all the contentions which were among his people, seeing no way that he might reclaim them save it were in bearing down in pure testimony against them.

Would you describe pure testimony as judging others?

Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?[/quote]

Someone comes on here telling us he is the Son of God and you ask this guy if he is done yet? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

If I may interject here, let me point out some facts.

The sacrament you speak of consists of some very important requirements:

Moroni 4:3
3 O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this bread to the souls of all those who partake of it; that they may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given them, that they may always have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.
1) are willing to. What would this verse say if these three words were removed? Can we attest that we take upon ourselves the name of Christ at all times?
2) always remember him. Can we attest that we remember the Lord at all times, in all places and in all things?
3) keep his commandments. Can we attest that we keep all the commandments all of the time?
4) always have his spirit to be with them. Can we attest that we always have the spirit of the Lord with us at all times?

This is why these three words "are willing to" is so crucial, because we cannot attest that we do all things 24/7.

Another thing to consider is who is this Christ that we are to remember? Christ, the Son of God, our Redeemer...or a person on this forum claiming to be such? Just who shall we remember at all times? Whose commandments are to to keep? Whose spirit is to be with us always? Which one are we really willing to follow? Is not the choice a no-brainer?
Some of us here choose Jehovah, the first born in spirit and the Only Begotten Son in the flesh.

So as we can tell, the partaking of the sacrament is a very, very serious matter. Just what are people thinking as it goes by.

Read Believing Christ by Stephen E Robinson. He has several articles in the Ensign as well.

Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

setyourselffree wrote:Someone comes on here telling us he is the Son of God and you ask this guy if he is done yet? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) =)) =)) =)) =))

And some people believe it. Sad. To each his own.

Emmanuel,

Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I haven't read it thoroughly yet, but I will.

I ask a favour. I am a weary traveler who is poor in spirit. Have you any words of comfort?

Sincerely,
-Finrock

setyourselffree wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Someone comes on here telling us he is the Son of God and you ask this guy if he is done yet? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Yea, that pretty much says it all ^^^^

In my opinion Emmanuel is just like Amonhi. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. They claim to be Latter-day Saints, to get among the flock, then spread their poisonous blasphemies. In my opinion, they are either evil, deceived, or crazy. Or all of the above.

D&C 88
81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

High Priests are the guardians of the doctrines of the Church. And you can bet when I see someone claiming to be a prophet or they claim to get direction from a face to face with God, then comes before the members of the Church, I'm going to stand up and speak my piece.

How many times can I call out one man? I don't know, how man times can he teach falsehoods?

Stourme wrote:

setyourselffree wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Someone comes on here telling us he is the Son of God and you ask this guy if he is done yet? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Yea, that pretty much says it all ^^^^

In my opinion Emmanuel is just like Amonhi. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. They claim to be Latter-day Saints, to get among the flock, then spread their poisonous blasphemies. In my opinion, they are either evil, deceived, or crazy. Or all of the above.

D&C 88
81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

High Priests are the guardians of the doctrines of the Church. And you can bet when I see someone claiming to be a prophet or they claim to get direction from a face to face with God, then comes before the members of the Church, I'm going to stand up and speak my piece.

How many times can I call out one man? I don't know, how man times can he teach falsehoods?

How's that beam?

Is Emmanuel the BurningFireSword guy who has had 2 profiles banned before? Seems a bit like that guy.

To Stourme and the other guys,

Are you so very sure of your own degree of righteousness and worthiness as a High Priest that you are above and beyond the possibility of being wrong? Are you so sure of your own ability to discern the Spirit that you declare it is impossible for you to make a mistake of this level of seriousness? Are you saying that there is no way your own pride could ever become a stumbling block for you? How could you be infallible when President Hinckley and his counselors were deceived by a nobody like Mark Hoffman? Beware of pride. It comes before the fall.

freedomforall wrote: And some people believe it. Sad. To each his own.

All those scriptures about people in the last days being deceived by false Christs and false prophets...

I shouldn't marvel when I see people in the action of actually being deceived... those are the people God said He sees in our time that are deceived.

What I'm trying to say is, God said there would be many that were deceived, so I shouldn't be surprised when I see them... if that makes sense. @-)

:-??

Matchmaker wrote:To Stourme and the other guys,

Are you so very sure of your own degree of righteousness and worthiness as a High Priest that you are above and beyond the possibility of being wrong? Are you so sure of your own ability to discern the Spirit that you declare it is impossible for you to make a mistake of this level of seriousness? Are you saying that there is no way your own pride could ever become a stumbling block for you? How could you be infallible when President Hinckley and his counselors were deceived by a nobody like Mark Hoffman? Beware of pride. It comes before the fall.

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Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Matchmaker,

We keep having this same dilemma.
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When we hear things like this we must STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!
Not everyone who says they are Christ are, in fact there is ONLY ONE!
Every person that comes on this site and claims that they are THE SAVOIR must be taken very seriously, but it doesn't make it true!
I do not try to "bash" anyone. False teachings MUST be confronted each and every time.

amen

Matchmaker wrote:To Stourme and the other guys,

Are you so very sure of your own degree of righteousness and worthiness as a High Priest that you are above and beyond the possibility of being wrong? Are you so sure of your own ability to discern the Spirit that you declare it is impossible for you to make a mistake of this level of seriousness?

Yes.

I have the utmost faith in my ability to discern and declare in all righteousness that Emmanuel is NOT a member of the Godhead.

Stourme wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:To Stourme and the other guys,

Are you so very sure of your own degree of righteousness and worthiness as a High Priest that you are above and beyond the possibility of being wrong? Are you so sure of your own ability to discern the Spirit that you declare it is impossible for you to make a mistake of this level of seriousness?

Yes.

I have the utmost faith in my ability to discern and declare in all righteousness that Emmanuel is NOT a member of the Godhead.

Well said...+1

SmallFarm wrote:

Stourme wrote:

setyourselffree wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Someone comes on here telling us he is the Son of God and you ask this guy if he is done yet? :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) =)) =)) =)) =))

Yea, that pretty much says it all ^^^^

In my opinion Emmanuel is just like Amonhi. They are wolves in sheep's clothing. They claim to be Latter-day Saints, to get among the flock, then spread their poisonous blasphemies. In my opinion, they are either evil, deceived, or crazy. Or all of the above.

D&C 88
81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.

High Priests are the guardians of the doctrines of the Church. And you can bet when I see someone claiming to be a prophet or they claim to get direction from a face to face with God, then comes before the members of the Church, I'm going to stand up and speak my piece.

How many times can I call out one man? I don't know, how man times can he teach falsehoods?

How's that beam?

Do you believe this verse?

Matthew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Do the elect know the word of God or just bits and pieces, enough to get by?
Do the elect discern false prophets and false Christ's as warned of?
Why would we be warned if it doesn't really occur?
Why would the elect pay heed to someone claiming deity on a forum? What do we know about false prophets and false Christ's?

False Prophets

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet: Deut. 13:3 .
prophet, which shall presume to speak a word … which I have not commanded: Deut. 18:20 .
Ahab … gathered the prophets together: 1 Kgs. 18:20 .
prophet that teacheth lies: Isa. 9:15 .
priest and the prophet have erred: Isa. 28:7 .
prophets prophesied by Baal: Jer. 2:8 .
prophets prophesy falsely: Jer. 5:31 . ( Jer. 14:14 . )
both prophet and priest are profane: Jer. 23:11 .
prophets that … speak a vision of their own heart: Jer. 23:16 . ( Ezek. 13:2 . )
against them that prophesy false dreams: Jer. 23:32 . ( Zech. 10:2 . )
prophesy a lie in my name: Jer. 27:15 .
Hananiah the prophet … The Lord hath not sent thee: Jer. 28:15 .
they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: Jer. 29:9 .
Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things: Lam. 2:14 .
conspiracy of her prophets: Ezek. 22:25 .
prophet also shall fall with thee in the night: Hosea 4:5 .
prophets that make my people err: Micah 3:5 .
prophets thereof divine for money: Micah 3:11 .
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing: Matt. 7:15 . ( 3 Ne. 14:15 . )
many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many: Matt. 24:11 . ( JS—M 1:9 . )
there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets: Matt. 24:24 . ( Mark 13:22 ; JS—M 1:22 . )
such are false apostles, deceitful workers: 2 Cor. 11:13 .
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him: Titus 1:16 .
false prophets also among the people: 2 Pet. 2:1 .
many false prophets are gone out into the world: 1 Jn. 4:1 .
out of the mouth of the false prophet: Rev. 16:13 .
beast … with him the false prophet that wrought miracles: Rev. 19:20 .
after there had been false prophets: W of M 1:16 .
receive him, and say that he is a prophet: Hel. 13:27 .
many priests and false prophets: 4 Ne. 1:34 .
who are not apostles and prophets shall be known: D&C 64:39 .
those professors were all corrupt: JS—H 1:19 .

False Christs

many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ: Matt. 24:5 . ( JS—M 1:5–9 . )
shall arise false Christs: Matt. 24:24 . ( JS—M 1:22 . )
false Christs and false prophets shall rise: Mark 13:22 .
look not forward any more for another Messiah: 2 Ne. 25:16 .
not any come, save it should be a false Messiah: 2 Ne. 25:18 .
after there had been false Christs: W of M 1:15 .
Satan cried … I am the Only Begotten, worship me: Moses 1:19 .

Why should we not be weary of someone possibly trying to deceive even in the slightest? Those that know the word of God will not be deceived if they stick to it as promised. The elect know his voice.

BTH&T wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Matchmaker,

We keep having this same dilemma.

When we hear things like this we must STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!
Not everyone who says they are Christ are, in fact there is ONLY ONE!
Every person that comes on this site and claims that they are THE SAVOIR must be taken very seriously, but it doesn't make it true!
I do not try to "bash" anyone. False teachings MUST be confronted each and every time.

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BTH&T,

I have read several of your posts and I respect your dedication to the gospel. Tell me why, specifically, you think it is absolutely impossible for the Lord to ever choose to communicate with any of us on this forum? Please, no jokes anyone. I'm looking for serious answers as to why you might think the Lord would consider it beneath himself to communicate with us in this manner when God created the internet, phones, books and Church videos, etc. so that we could all communicate with each other?

Matchmaker wrote:

BTH&T wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Matchmaker,

We keep having this same dilemma.

When we hear things like this we must STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!
Not everyone who says they are Christ are, in fact there is ONLY ONE!
Every person that comes on this site and claims that they are THE SAVOIR must be taken very seriously, but it doesn't make it true!
I do not try to "bash" anyone. False teachings MUST be confronted each and every time.

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BTH&T,

I have read several of your posts and I respect your dedication to the gospel. Tell me why, specifically, you think it is absolutely impossible for the Lord to ever choose to communicate with any of us on this forum? Please, no jokes anyone. I'm looking for serious answers as to why you might think the Lord would consider it beneath himself to communicate with us in this manner when God created the internet, phones, books and Church videos, etc. so that we could all communicate with each other?

I would have assumed he'd have a better system, and not damn me to hell for "mocking" him with internet memes.

Stahura wrote:Is Emmanuel the BurningFireSword guy who has had 2 profiles banned before? Seems a bit like that guy.

Very same, not sure why they keep letting him come back and people aren't allowed to be crass or post memes, I mean you ban someone twice... Why are they allowed to come back, baffles the mind.

Matchmaker wrote:

BTH&T wrote:

Matchmaker wrote:Are you done yet, Stourme? How many times can you and some of the other guys bash one man and tell him he is mentally ill or worse and still feel good about taking the Sacrament on Sunday?

Matchmaker,

We keep having this same dilemma.

When we hear things like this we must STAND UP AND BE COUNTED!
Not everyone who says they are Christ are, in fact there is ONLY ONE!
Every person that comes on this site and claims that they are THE SAVOIR must be taken very seriously, but it doesn't make it true!
I do not try to "bash" anyone. False teachings MUST be confronted each and every time.

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BTH&T,

I have read several of your posts and I respect your dedication to the gospel.
Thank you, I do not doubt your sincerity as well.

Tell me why, specifically, you think it is absolutely impossible for the Lord to ever choose to communicate with any of us on this forum?
I think he communicates with us all the time, I have been helped many times with things I have found while here.
The way he does his communication is through others.
That's why we should be honest and share our testimonies, lifting each other up!

Please, no jokes anyone. I'm looking for serious answers as to why you might think the Lord would consider it beneath himself to communicate with us in this manner when God created the internet, phones, books and Church videos, etc. so that we could all communicate with each other?

When posters come and make claims of Deity we must be very cautious, above all we must put what they say to the test, does it bring us closer to God and is the Spirit confirming that it is true.

When the Savoir does come to earth the second time we know through the scriptures that it will be in power and glory. Every knee will bow and all will know it is the Redeemer of the World!

freedomforall wrote: Do you believe this verse?

Matthew 24:24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Do the elect know the word of God or just bits and pieces, enough to get by?
Do the elect discern false prophets and false Christ's as warned of?
Why would we be warned if it doesn't really occur?
Why would the elect pay heed to someone claiming deity on a forum? What do we know about false prophets and false Christ's?

False Prophets

Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet: Deut. 13:3 .
prophet, which shall presume to speak a word … which I have not commanded: Deut. 18:20 .
Ahab … gathered the prophets together: 1 Kgs. 18:20 .
prophet that teacheth lies: Isa. 9:15 .
priest and the prophet have erred: Isa. 28:7 .
prophets prophesied by Baal: Jer. 2:8 .
prophets prophesy falsely: Jer. 5:31 . ( Jer. 14:14 . )
both prophet and priest are profane: Jer. 23:11 .
prophets that … speak a vision of their own heart: Jer. 23:16 . ( Ezek. 13:2 . )
against them that prophesy false dreams: Jer. 23:32 . ( Zech. 10:2 . )
prophesy a lie in my name: Jer. 27:15 .
Hananiah the prophet … The Lord hath not sent thee: Jer. 28:15 .
they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: Jer. 29:9 .
Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things: Lam. 2:14 .
conspiracy of her prophets: Ezek. 22:25 .
prophet also shall fall with thee in the night: Hosea 4:5 .
prophets that make my people err: Micah 3:5 .
prophets thereof divine for money: Micah 3:11 .
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing: Matt. 7:15 . ( 3 Ne. 14:15 . )
many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many: Matt. 24:11 . ( JS—M 1:9 . )
there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets: Matt. 24:24 . ( Mark 13:22 ; JS—M 1:22 . )
such are false apostles, deceitful workers: 2 Cor. 11:13 .
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him: Titus 1:16 .
false prophets also among the people: 2 Pet. 2:1 .
many false prophets are gone out into the world: 1 Jn. 4:1 .
out of the mouth of the false prophet: Rev. 16:13 .
beast … with him the false prophet that wrought miracles: Rev. 19:20 .
after there had been false prophets: W of M 1:16 .
receive him, and say that he is a prophet: Hel. 13:27 .
many priests and false prophets: 4 Ne. 1:34 .
who are not apostles and prophets shall be known: D&C 64:39 .
those professors were all corrupt: JS—H 1:19 .

False Christs

many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ: Matt. 24:5 . ( JS—M 1:5–9 . )
shall arise false Christs: Matt. 24:24 . ( JS—M 1:22 . )
false Christs and false prophets shall rise: Mark 13:22 .
look not forward any more for another Messiah: 2 Ne. 25:16 .
not any come, save it should be a false Messiah: 2 Ne. 25:18 .
after there had been false Christs: W of M 1:15 .
Satan cried … I am the Only Begotten, worship me: Moses 1:19 .

Why should we not be weary of someone possibly trying to deceive even in the slightest? Those that know the word of God will not be deceived if they stick to it as promised. The elect know his voice.

Yes I agree with that verse. I also agree with the manner in which you personally are engaging him. I don't not agree with those who come in judgement without substance, with sole intent to mock and silence. I'm not okay with that.
I think we are to treat each other as if Christ is there.

I understand that Christ will be on the earth for the meeting at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, and that the world, and the Church at large, will be unaware of that visit. He won't be coming in all His glory then, or this telestial world would burn up.

Emmanuel wrote:

Ezra wrote:If you look at The powers that rule in America. The anti Christ has been in power since the early 1900s. Since 1915 the anti Christ has had his men as either president or vise president except for 2 elections. Anyone of those men who have had a change of heart have been assassinated or an attempt on there lives. I'm talking about the illuminati Or tri lateral/ cfr buildsaberger group.

Which are not large in number but the power they wield is exactly as the op has described.

The world has long been manipulated by the Devil and his Son the Antichrist and even Lucifer and his angels. Even mankind's genetics have been altered over the generations and are not as it once was when Adam and Eve first fell from Garden of Eden. Governments of the world are manipulated by adversary and have been used to set-up the world for the coming fall, after which what people call the new world order, will be part of the ruler-ship of Antichrist meaning he will be made ruler of the world in his time of rule and all laws and country's will be subject to his rule.

What I'm saying is he already is a ruler. He rules all county's in the shadows .

Matchmaker wrote:I understand that Christ will be on the earth for the meeting at Adam-Ondi-Ahman, and that the world, and the Church at large, will be unaware of that visit. He won't be coming in all His glory then, or this telestial world would burn up.

My bro his patriarical blessing says he will be a leader at adom ondi ahman during this life and never taste death.
He is 38.