The Prophet Is Jesus Christ’s Spokesman

[Rachael]

I no speaky Mormonese.
The gospel? The correlated one? Held under lock and keys by the Brethren?
You forgot the 2ndComing part

Have a blessed day Rachel.

My Mormon experience is of more modern times. The Book of Mormon continues to influence my life. Leaders have edified me over the years. Activity in the church has also given me many experiences. My family has also been a great force for good and support to me.

Each of us should be self sufficient, both temporally and spiritually. As I continue to read the Book of Mormon, coming to Christ is more apparent. It is also important to grow in love and charity, which has been harder for me. I need Christ to change me, I know of no other way

This is the "KEYs^

[Rachael]

I hope not - I really want to know.

It will be shouted from the rooftops one of these days, so I agree that he might as well tell us

[Ezra]

Maybe legion does not have a name???

[Franco]

I hope not - I really want to know.

It will be shouted from the rooftops one of these days, so I agree that he might as well tell us

I do not see your stewardships over the information you have been given as righteous stewardships. I do not even know if you will be alive when this information is made known.

[Rachael]

Are you also appointed as some judge in Israel? Maybe you are one of the 144,000? Are you certain you will be alive when secrets are shouted from rooftops? I will probably hurry up and die before then, but what about you?

If not thats just being plain old judgeMENTAL

[Franco]

Are you also appointed as some judge in Israel? Maybe you are one of the 144,000? Are you certain you will be alive when secrets are shouted from rooftops? I will probably hurry up and die before then, but what about you?

If not thats just being plain old judgeMENTAL

I am certainly entitled to my opinion on your stewardship over the information you have been given. I do not have to be a judge in Israel, and it is not my judgments you are going to face.

Something that I already know does not have to be shouted from a rooftop in order for me to know it, so I do not have to be alive when secrets are shouted from rooftops.

[Rachael]

You and me and everybody are entitled to their own opinion. as the adage goes, opinions and arse holes, everyone has one.
I am awashed in relief to know I do not face your judgements

I hope you survive til that day and beyond. For some reason I love you.
Maybe its your avatar

[Rachael]

Im tired Tony/Franco. I would like to rest in Christ, You can have the milk strippings

[Franco]

I agree that the Prophet is the Lord's spokesman on the earth regarding affairs of the Church and anything else the Lord wants the Prophet to be His spokesman for.

I also believe that the Lord can talk to anyone else He wants to at any time, and he doesn't need to ask anyone else's permission to do so.

While anyone can have personal revelation, if it contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His Latter-day prophets, then the supposed "personal revelation" is in reality the whisperings of Satan.

[Matchmaker]

I agree that the Prophet is the Lord's spokesman on the earth regarding affairs of the Church and anything else the Lord wants the Prophet to be His spokesman for.

I also believe that the Lord can talk to anyone else He wants to at any time, and he doesn't need to ask anyone else's permission to do so.

While anyone can have personal revelation, if it contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His Latter-day prophets, then the supposed "personal revelation" is in reality the whisperings of Satan.

How does one know if what a Prophet is saying is something that came directly from Jesus Christ or if it is his opinion? Will the Prophet say something like, "The Lord has commanded that.................," or "The Lord has said that................" when he is talking to us? Do Prophets ever make a mistake in this area? What about the Church's change in their regard to the ability of the black man to hold the Priesthood? This is a serious question from a convert, and I am looking for a serious answer. Thank you.

[Franco]

I agree that the Prophet is the Lord's spokesman on the earth regarding affairs of the Church and anything else the Lord wants the Prophet to be His spokesman for.

I also believe that the Lord can talk to anyone else He wants to at any time, and he doesn't need to ask anyone else's permission to do so.

While anyone can have personal revelation, if it contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His Latter-day prophets, then the supposed "personal revelation" is in reality the whisperings of Satan.

How does one know if what a Prophet is saying is something that came directly from Jesus Christ or if it is his opinion? Will the Prophet say something like, "The Lord has commanded that.................," or "The Lord has said that................" when he is talking to us? Do Prophets ever make a mistake in this area? What about the Church's change in their regard to the ability of the black man to hold the Priesthood? This is a serious question from a convert, and I am looking for a serious answer. Thank you.

Jesus Christ has restored His Church on the earth, and it will always be led by His prophet. Satan would have everyone believe otherwise. If anyone does "believe otherwise," then they are giving heed to Satan.

I do not "seek confirmation" on each prophet that wrote in the Book of Mormon. I received confirmation that it is the word of God two days after I received it. Hence, all the prophets who wrote therein are true prophets. All the prophets who lead the Church are true prophets.

[Franco]

I just got called out by a poster "Nyr" for not stating unequivocally that TSM is a PSR.

Someone else quotes:
"Num. 12:6,8 "If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream . . . and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold."

Im waiting for the PSRs to prophesy, see, revelate, share a vision, or a dream... something, besides their opinions, which are usually pretty good. But until then, hold them (the PSRs) to the same standard as you demand other posters that disagree with you to

The Lord was speaking to ancient Israel. If you think this applies to all prophets, then show me where the Lord made himself known in a vision to each and every prophet in the Bible and the Book of Mormon and where He spoke to them in a dream.

[BruceRGilbert]

Rachael, Repent. This equates to cheap entertainment for you. You will desist when you attain sufficient attention.

Is this BurningSword?

No. You have my name. I do not use a fictitious one.

[Rachael]

I just got called out by a poster "Nyr" for not stating unequivocally that TSM is a PSR.

Someone else quotes:
"Num. 12:6,8 "If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream . . . and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold."

Im waiting for the PSRs to prophesy, see, revelate, share a vision, or a dream... something, besides their opinions, which are usually pretty good. But until then, hold them (the PSRs) to the same standard as you demand other posters that disagree with you to

The Lord was speaking to ancient Israel. If you think this applies to all prophets, then show me where the Lord made himself known in a vision to each and every prophet in the Bible and the Book of Mormon and where He spoke to them in a dream.

Ok, by this logic, all prophets dont have to prophesy anything to be prophets except the ancient ones? It would be easier for you to give examples of the ancient prophets that lacked some sort of manifestation from the LORD than vise versa

[Franco]

I just got called out by a poster "Nyr" for not stating unequivocally that TSM is a PSR.

Someone else quotes:
"Num. 12:6,8 "If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream . . . and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold."

Im waiting for the PSRs to prophesy, see, revelate, share a vision, or a dream... something, besides their opinions, which are usually pretty good. But until then, hold them (the PSRs) to the same standard as you demand other posters that disagree with you to

The Lord was speaking to ancient Israel. If you think this applies to all prophets, then show me where the Lord made himself known in a vision to each and every prophet in the Bible and the Book of Mormon and where He spoke to them in a dream.

Ok, by this logic, all prophets dont have to prophesy anything to be prophets except the ancient ones? It would be easier for you to give examples of the ancient prophets that lacked some sort of manifestation from the LORD than vise versa

Prophets, whether ancient or modern, do not have to prophesy to be prophets. And trust me, documented fulfillment of prophesies does not do much to convince people who have hardened their hearts against the truth.

[Rachael]

Ok. I can be a mother without actually doing any mothering/nurturing, so prophets can be prophets without prophesying? I get it, but it seems substandard. Hard on the children in the mother scenario, and hard on members in the follow the prophet scenario, since they are hanging on every word they utter.
And you were right to not cast your pearls consisting of "documented fulfillment of prophesies." I don't have a hard heart, Im a pig

[Franco]

Ok. Pm me. I'll keep your confidence between the two of us, and I promise never to reveal the person's name, except at a certain time and place, when it will be required of me to disclose it (judgment day).

How am I to know you're a true messenger, if you won't tell me who commissioned you? Honest question. Try to see it from my point of view.

The only true messengers with whom you need to be concerned are those who occupy the First Presidency of the Church.

Have you made any progress on knowing that the Book of Mormon is the word of God?

[Obrien]

Ok. Pm me. I'll keep your confidence between the two of us, and I promise never to reveal the person's name, except at a certain time and place, when it will be required of me to disclose it (judgment day).

How am I to know you're a true messenger, if you won't tell me who commissioned you? Honest question. Try to see it from my point of view.

The only true messengers with whom you need to be concerned are those who occupy the First Presidency of the Church.

Have you made any progress on knowing that the Book of Mormon is the word of God?

You answer my question first.

[A Random Phrase]

I hope not - I really want to know.

It will be shouted from the rooftops one of these days, so I agree that he might as well tell us

I do not see your stewardships over the information you have been given as righteous stewardships. I do not even know if you will be alive when this information is made known.

That's true. You don't know. Very few, if any, do.

[A Random Phrase]

While anyone can have personal revelation, if it contradicts what Jesus Christ has revealed through His Latter-day prophets, then the supposed "personal revelation" is in reality the whisperings of Satan.

If it contradicts what Jesus Christ has taught through the prophets He has spoken to with His own mouth, eye to eye, from the beginning of time down through our time, it is in reality the whisperings of Satan or some minion of his.

[A Random Phrase]

How does one know if what a Prophet is saying is something that came directly from Jesus Christ or if it is his opinion? Will the Prophet say something like, "The Lord has commanded that.................," or "The Lord has said that................" when he is talking to us? Do Prophets ever make a mistake in this area? What about the Church's change in their regard to the ability of the black man to hold the Priesthood? This is a serious question from a convert, and I am looking for a serious answer. Thank you.

I think he would let us know that he had talked to the Lord and the Lord wanted him to say such and so. He would not pretend it was "too sacred" to plainly state that he had seen the Lord. The fact that the Lord told him to preach would not be veiled in secrecy.

On the other hand, some who have not seen the Lord (nor have they been directed by Him to speak in His behalf) speak, using the Lord's name in vain (having not authority, so the scriptures say).

We need to study the scriptures and pray to God so that we may not be deceived. We need to be willing to be wrong. We need to be willing to allow the Lord to turn our lives upside-down if He sees the need to do so.

Ultimately, it is up to each of us to come to the Lord, personally. No one can do it for us. We can each spout our opinions ad infinitum. We can pretend we know the rules of debate, and we can debate up a storm, getting all A+s in our debating classes. But the truth is, God does not debate. He does nothing of the sort. He will reason with us, though. And He requires us to learn to trust Him. Him. Not any man, even if he be a true and living prophet.

[A Random Phrase]

Rachael, Repent. This equates to cheap entertainment for you. You will desist when you attain sufficient attention.

Is this BurningSword?

No. You have my name. I do not use a fictitious one.

Okay, thanks. After I wrote that, I read other posts of yours and thought I was probably mistaken. It's just that that one post sounded like him to me.

[A Random Phrase]

Prophets, whether ancient or modern, do not have to prophesy to be prophets. And trust me, documented fulfillment of prophesies does not do much to convince people who have hardened their hearts against the truth.

Ok. I can be a mother without actually doing any mothering/nurturing, so prophets can be prophets without prophesying? I get it, but it seems substandard. Hard on the children in the mother scenario, and hard on members in the follow the prophet scenario, since they are hanging on every word they utter.

Silly Rachel, haven't you heard the latest doctrine? Prophets do not need to prophesy. Seers do not need to see. Revelators do not need to reveal. (And mothers certainly do not need to mother.) All that is required is that they have a certain position in the Church. That automatically makes them prophets, seers, and revelators. No action needed. No fruits of prophecy, visions, visitations, and such are required. (I believe it was the Boise Rescue in which an apostle stated something along these lines? And in a recent general conference or two?)

Kind of sad for those who expect mothers to mother and prophets/revelators to state the visions and prophecies they have been given by the Lord, though.

[Stacy Oliver]

How does one know if what a Prophet is saying is something that came directly from Jesus Christ or if it is his opinion? Will the Prophet say something like, "The Lord has commanded that.................," or "The Lord has said that................" when he is talking to us? Do Prophets ever make a mistake in this area? What about the Church's change in their regard to the ability of the black man to hold the Priesthood? This is a serious question from a convert, and I am looking for a serious answer. Thank you.

I think he would let us know that he had talked to the Lord and the Lord wanted him to say such and so. He would not pretend it was "too sacred" to plainly state that he had seen the Lord. The fact that the Lord told him to preach would not be veiled in secrecy.

On the other hand, some who have not seen the Lord (nor have they been directed by Him to speak in His behalf) speak, using the Lord's name in vain (having not authority, so the scriptures say).

We need to study the scriptures and pray to God so that we may not be deceived. We need to be willing to be wrong. We need to be willing to allow the Lord to turn our lives upside-down if He sees the need to do so.

Ultimately, it is up to each of us to come to the Lord, personally. No one can do it for us. We can each spout our opinions ad infinitum. We can pretend we know the rules of debate, and we can debate up a storm, getting all A+s in our debating classes. But the truth is, God does not debate. He does nothing of the sort. He will reason with us, though. And He requires us to learn to trust Him. Him. Not any man, even if he be a true and living prophet.

You mean like the opinion that a prophet has to speak to us in a certain way?

[A Random Phrase]

Pretty much.