The Prophet Is Jesus Christ’s Spokesman

[Rachael]

What if Warren Jeffs is a prophet languishing in prison? The original apostles went to prison a lot.

My more East friend, I have to call you on this one. His group sent a revelation from prison.

I can assure you he is a crackpot.

Yeah dude's insane, he wrote a book in there, I've not read it, you gotta get it by mail the old fashioned way, and I don't have 25 dollars to pee away to insanity.

Me either, but its a lot cheaper than the Journal of Discourses

[Sirocco]

Yeah but at least that is online, I got it bookmarked.
You want the link?

[Rachael]

I booked marked it too but thanks. I waste enough of my time here. And Id rather spend time reading stuff that is more praise worthy and seek better stuff than DoJ which even TBMs could appreciate. Poor Fair and FARMS trying to defend it. They shouldnt have been boxed into it. Very compromising position to be placed in

[Sirocco]

I booked marked it too but thanks. I waste enough of my time here. And Id rather spend time reading stuff that is more praise worthy and seek better stuff which even TBMs could appreciate. Poor Fair and FARMS trying to defend it. They shouldnt have been boxed into it. Very compromising position to be placed in

School begins for me next week, again.
It was a thing from a different time and mindset of people, I mean the church won't be the same 50 years from now, it wasn't 50 years ago and yet people think it will be.
Things need to change to survive, nothing can avoid it.

[Rachael]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is responding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

[Niyr]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is responding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

Could you answer this then:
Do you sustain Thomas Monson as prophet, seer, and revelator, and the 12 apostles as well, and that they hold the keys to Christ's Church?

[Rachael]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is responding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

EDIT: Sorry Niyr, the rest of this post was directed at Franco

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

Could you answer this then:
Do you sustain Thomas Monson as prophet, seer, and revelator, and the 12 apostles as well, and that they hold the keys to Christ's Church?

I sustain TSM as president of the LDS church
As Caiaphas was in the seat of Moses, TSM is in the seat of JS
Im sure they have keys or can get them, to any ward building, stake conference building, temple, etc. However, God does not dwell in temples made by men, nor is He at their beck and call. To say that God is, approaches blasphemy imo

But you didnt answer my questions, so dont ask me anything else unless you do

[Franco]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is reslponding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

A dispensation of THE GOSPEL ends when an APOSTATE gospel is being preached in place of the true gospel. A secular definition of dispensation has nothing to do with it.

[Niyr]

Could you answer this then:
Do you sustain Thomas Monson as prophet, seer, and revelator, and the 12 apostles as well, and that they hold the keys to Christ's Church?

I sustain TSM as president of the LDS church
As Caiaphas was in the seat of Moses, TSM is in the seat of JS
Im sure they have keys or can get them, to any ward building, stake conference building, temple, etc. However, God does not dwell in temples made by men, nor is He at their beck and call. To say that God is, approaches blasphemy imo

But you didnt answer my questions, so dont ask me anything else unless you do

I'll take it that you don't sustain them as you don't believe they have the keys of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I didn't see any questions directed at me.

[Rachael]

I edited the post. Sorry, I wasnt paying attention and thought I was responding to Franco.
Jesus IS the Gospel. HE is the good news.
I did not say I did not sustain them, but Im not going to sustain them beyond what they are just because they claim to be more

[Rachael]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is reslponding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

A dispensation of THE GOSPEL ends when an APOSTATE gospel is being preached in place of the true gospel. A secular definition of dispensation has nothing to do with it.

I no speaky Mormonese.
The gospel? The correlated one? Held under lock and keys by the Brethren?
You forgot the 2ndComing part

[rewcox]

I no speaky Mormonese.
The gospel? The correlated one? Held under lock and keys by the Brethren?
You forgot the 2ndComing part

Have a blessed day Rachel.

My Mormon experience is of more modern times. The Book of Mormon continues to influence my life. Leaders have edified me over the years. Activity in the church has also given me many experiences. My family has also been a great force for good and support to me.

Each of us should be self sufficient, both temporally and spiritually. As I continue to read the Book of Mormon, coming to Christ is more apparent. It is also important to grow in love and charity, which has been harder for me. I need Christ to change me, I know of no other way.

[Franco]

So I will ask: Do you think the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended?

^^^ is this a yes or no question???
Do you know what a strawman argument is?
I dont agree with the premise of your question when you stated: "...which would mean the dispensation that began in 1830 has ended.Either the dispensation has ended, or there has been no apostasy and the kingdom of God will continue to grow until the gospel has been preached to every nation, kindred, tongue, and people..."
When someone changes a font color, italizes, bolds, underlines, etc., part of a quote, it is usually what the responder is reslponding to.This dispensation ends with the 2nd Coming of Christ. (imo)

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

Dispensation: a system of order, government, or organization of a nation, community, etc., especially as existing at a particular time
Dispensationalist theology: Dispensational theology refers to the unified teachings of Dispensationalism that address what other views teach as divergent theologies in the Old Testament and New Testament. Its name reflects a view that biblical history is best understood as a series of dispensations, or separated time-periods, in the Bible.

Each dispensation is said to represent a different way in which God deals with man. Some writers also believe that it also involves a different testing of Man. "These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, in respect to two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility," explained C. I. Scofield. "Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment—marking his utter failure in every dispensation."

So that pretty much sums up what I think a dispensation is.
What do think it means?
How do you think this dispensation ends?
Do you believe in the Second Coming?

If you are simply arguing whether or not on the possibility exists that the Church can apostatize, OK. Ive already said what I gotta say to you earlier about it.

A dispensation of THE GOSPEL ends when an APOSTATE gospel is being preached in place of the true gospel. A secular definition of dispensation has nothing to do with it.

I no speaky Mormonese.
The gospel? The correlated one? Held under lock and keys by the Brethren?
You forgot the 2ndComing part

It sounds like you believe the brethren are not preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Is that what you believe?

Regarding the 2nd Coming, Jesus Christ will come to rule and reign during the Millennium. As it states in 2nd Thessalonians:

"The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ;

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to be glorified in his saints."

[A Random Phrase]

Stacy Oliver quoted Robert, which is how I saw what Robert wrote.

I see. That makes sense.

[A Random Phrase]

Rachael, Repent. This equates to cheap entertainment for you. You will desist when you attain sufficient attention.

Is this BurningSword?

[A Random Phrase]

A dispensation of the gospel is a period of time in which the Lord has at least one authorized servant on the earth who bears the holy priesthood and the keys, and who has a divine commission to dispense the gospel to the inhabitants of the earth. When this occurs, the gospel is revealed anew so that people of that dispensation do not have to depend basically on past dispensations for knowledge of the plan of salvation.

Do you believe Jesus Christ has a prophet on the earth who, through revelation from Jesus Christ, leads and directs the Church that Jesus Christ restored through the prophet Joseph Smith?

Jesus most definitely has at least one prophet on the earth today. That is for absolute certain.

[A Random Phrase]

I am not employed by the STMC. I have been commissioned by someone in authority to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Now that I have answered your question, do you think that the Church has apostatized from the Church that Jesus Christ restored in 1830?

Do tell...

A missionary. Maybe 18-21 years old. Don't you recognize the format of the questions? They're the ones they teach us at the MTC (at least in my day, back in cave-man times).

[Franco]

A dispensation of the gospel is a period of time in which the Lord has at least one authorized servant on the earth who bears the holy priesthood and the keys, and who has a divine commission to dispense the gospel to the inhabitants of the earth. When this occurs, the gospel is revealed anew so that people of that dispensation do not have to depend basically on past dispensations for knowledge of the plan of salvation.

Do you believe Jesus Christ has a prophet on the earth who, through revelation from Jesus Christ, leads and directs the Church that Jesus Christ restored through the prophet Joseph Smith?

Jesus most definitely has at least one prophet on the earth today. That is for absolute certain.

Are you talking about an authorized servant who bears the holy priesthood and the keys, and who has a divine commission to dispense the gospel to the inhabitants of the earth?

[A Random Phrase]

Maybe. ;)

[Obrien]

I am not employed by the STMC. I have been commissioned by someone in authority to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Now that I have answered your question, do you think that the Church has apostatized from the Church that Jesus Christ restored in 1830?

Do tell...

A missionary. Maybe 18-21 years old. Don't you recognize the format of the questions? They're the ones they teach us at the MTC (at least in my day, back in cave-man times).

No, I never did the mission thing.

[Franco]

I am not employed by the STMC. I have been commissioned by someone in authority to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Now that I have answered your question, do you think that the Church has apostatized from the Church that Jesus Christ restored in 1830?

Do tell...

A missionary. Maybe 18-21 years old. Don't you recognize the format of the questions? They're the ones they teach us at the MTC (at least in my day, back in cave-man times).

No, I never did the mission thing.

I think she was referring to my statement that I have been commissioned by someone in authority to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was not a missionary, and I will not disclose on this forum who it was.

[Obrien]

Ok. Pm me. I'll keep your confidence between the two of us, and I promise never to reveal the person's name, except at a certain time and place, when it will be required of me to disclose it (judgment day).

How am I to know you're a true messenger, if you won't tell me who commissioned you? Honest question. Try to see it from my point of view.

[Rachael]

Some time after Jesus Christ and His apostles established His Church almost 2000 years ago, the Church fell into apostasy. When that happened, the dispensation was over. Stating that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apostatized and that this dispensation has not ended is the most profound of contradictions. It is a simple fact that if the Church apostatized, the dispensation would be over, just like what happened almost 2000 years ago.

A dispensation of THE GOSPEL ends when an APOSTATE gospel is being preached in place of the true gospel. A secular definition of dispensation has nothing to do with it.

I no speaky Mormonese.
The gospel? The correlated one? Held under lock and keys by the Brethren?
You forgot the 2ndComing part

It sounds like you believe the brethren are not preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Is that what you believe?/quote]
As it states in 2nd Thessalonians:

"The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus ChristRegarding the 2nd Coming, Jesus Christ will come to rule and reign during the Millennium

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power when he shall come to be glorified in his saints."

At times they do. The 14Fs is an instance in which they do NOT. Oh I cant trust stuff from the Bible with all those "mistranslations."

[Rachael]

Ok. Pm me. I'll keep your confidence between the two of us, and I promise never to reveal the person's name, except at a certain time and place, when it will be required of me to disclose it (judgment day).

How am I to know you're a true messenger, if you won't tell me who commissioned you? Honest question. Try to see it from my point of view.

Its one of the mysteries of the LORD and too sacred to share.

[Obrien]

I hope not - I really want to know.