The Prophet Is Jesus Christ’s Spokesman

[Franco]

Jesus Christ said, “My word shall not pass away but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.” (Doctrine and Covenants 1:38)

And we read in Doctrine and Covenants 27:13 that Jesus Christ revealed to Joseph Smith that he, Jesus Christ has “committed the keys of my kingdom, and a dispensation of the gospel for the last times; and for the fulness of times, in the which I will gather together in one all things, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth.”

We also read in Doctrine and Covenants 132:7 that “there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred.”

Jesus Christ, whose word is eternal, is clearly telling us in these three scriptures that Joseph Smith and every prophet who has led The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has had the keys and the authority to speak for Him. The prophet is Jesus Christ’s spokesman.

[Matchmaker]

I agree that the Prophet is the Lord's spokesman on the earth regarding affairs of the Church and anything else the Lord wants the Prophet to be His spokesman for.

I also believe that the Lord can talk to anyone else He wants to at any time, and he doesn't need to ask anyone else's permission to do so.

[caddis]

Tony Franco

What time does your shift end?

[Rachael]

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We also read in Doctrine and Covenants 132:7 that “there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred...”

Did you have to include sec. 132?

Added posthumously of JS, the infamous polygamy chapter? Sec.101 gone under BY? Now are you gonna defend polygamy and all those Journal of Discourse(s)?

Go ahead on with your bad self.... (and bad means good now these days. Sign of the times.)

[Desert Roses]

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We also read in Doctrine and Covenants 132:7 that “there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred...”

Did you have to include sec. 132?

Added posthumously of JS, the infamous polygamy chapter? Sec.101 gone under BY? Now are you gonna defend polygamy and all those Journal of Discourse(s)?

Go ahead on with your bad self.... (and bad means good now these days. Sign of the times.)

One problem with the idea that Sec. 132 is not scripture--temple marriage for eternity (with one wife or more than one wife) goes out the window. No other section reveals the eternal marriage covenant. I've read Section 132 many times. I am absolutely clear that it neither dictates polygamy nor forbids it, but leaves it, as Jacob noted, in the hands of God, who reminded Jacob that "If I will...raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise, they shall hearken unto these things" and abstain from multiple wives. I really am soooo tired of this argument, when it is really such a non-issue.

[Rachael]

Im tired of it too. Yet all roads lead back to it.

[Desert Roses]

Im tired of it too. Yet all roads lead back to it.

Well, for those that want to dismiss it as "non-scriptural", you better hope you're not married in the temple (or that you want to be sealed to your one and only for eternity--that won't happen if D&C 132 is an add-on and a lie.

[Rachael]

Im tired of it too. Yet all roads lead back to it.

Well, for those that want to dismiss it as "non-scriptural", you better hope you're not married in the temple (or that you want to be sealed to your one and only for eternity--that won't happen if D&C 132 is an add-on and a lie.

So true. I wont have a dad or siblings if that's the case. Im sealed to a step-father. A very GOOD one. I'd rather have the truth and even if it means being saved in a single, separate state than be an unwanted add on. As for husband, no worries. Id rather be the servant of those who can put up with this concept than have to worry about putting up with it myself.Given that 132 is true

Edit: Unless you fully EMBRACE this, and have no qualms about sharing you spouse, you have to worry about it coming back, or dying first and hubby remarrying somebody. I have no idea what my stepmother's feelings are. I dont know if she will enbrace all this or not. My step father should be rewarded for taking care of the widow and fatherless in his mortality. But I will respect his 1st wife's feelings and will not intrude or vex her spirit. She was a very good person, and I may be projecting nt own emotion on her about this. I'll just wait and see, let the chips fall.

But I dont have confidence in 132. I have confidence in eternal families without it baggage

[Franco]

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We also read in Doctrine and Covenants 132:7 that “there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred...”

Did you have to include sec. 132?

Added posthumously of JS, the infamous polygamy chapter? Sec.101 gone under BY? Now are you gonna defend polygamy and all those Journal of Discourse(s)?

Go ahead on with your bad self.... (and bad means good now these days. Sign of the times.)

If you think Joseph Smith was a liar and an adulterer, and you think every prophet who has led the Church since then is a liar (or has been deceived by Satan), then why are you a member of the Church?

[Rachael]

Well find out my info, bring up an accusation of apostacy, find a second witness, contact my SP. who will contact the bishop, and I will attend the court of love and bet blotted out. Get to work.

In the meantime research WHEN 132 was added and what was taken out simultaneously. We are not supposed to add, subtract, take lightly, etc, what we has alread been revealed. But we apparently do under the guise of continual infallible revelations, when past revelations are thrown out that were also infallible, and now, wondering why the heavens are brass, and nothing further is revealed except opinions of the current PSRs, unless we are having eyes that cannot see, deaf ears, that will not perceive that Moroni was talking to us in ch8?

[2EstablishZion]

Every word that the Lord gives a prophet will not pass away does not equal every word that a prophet speaks is given to him by the Lord.
That's why we have also been commanded to receive our own witness for every pronouncement a prophet makes.
God has even said that He has given prophets false prophecies and those that follow them are condemned.

I know this is going to be hard for you to swallow, TonyFranco.

[Franco]

Well find out my info, bring up an accusation of apostacy, find a second witness, contact my SP. who will contact the bishop, and I will attend the court of love and bet blotted out. Get to work.

In the meantime research WHEN 132 was added and what was taken out simultaneously. We are not supposed to add, subtract, take lightly, etc, what we has alread been revealed. But we apparently do under the guise of continual infallible revelations, when past revelations are thrown out that were also infallible, and now, wondering why the heavens are brass, and nothing further is revealed except opinions of the current PSRs, unless we are having eyes that cannot see, deaf ears, that will not perceive that Moroni was talking to us in ch8?

I never entertained the idea that you should be excommunicated, but since you took it that way, I will rephrase my question. If you think Joseph Smith was a liar and an adulterer, and you think every prophet who has led the Church since then is a liar (or has been deceived by Satan), then why haven't you resigned from the Church?

[Rachael]

Nice to meet you 2E!
Some people are gonna suck up and swallow everything from the latest edition of the correlated manual, training class/seminar, CHI, etc., and spit out the standard works stuff even when warned that new revelations should not contradict.

But that can be contorted. From when Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law til now. That is why we need the HS to guide us. (not saying the HS is my constant companion at present--just enough to acknowledge the necessity)

[Rachael]

Well find out my info, bring up an accusation of apostacy, find a second witness, contact my SP. who will contact the bishop, and I will attend the court of love and bet blotted out. Get to work.

In the meantime research WHEN 132 was added and what was taken out simultaneously. We are not supposed to add, subtract, take lightly, etc, what we has alread been revealed. But we apparently do under the guise of continual infallible revelations, when past revelations are thrown out that were also infallible, and now, wondering why the heavens are brass, and nothing further is revealed except opinions of the current PSRs, unless we are having eyes that cannot see, deaf ears, that will not perceive that Moroni was talking to us in ch8?

I never entertained the idea that you should be excommunicated, but since you took it that way, I will rephrase my question. If you think Joseph Smith was a liar and an adulterer, and you think every prophet who has led the Church since then is a liar (or has been deceived by Satan), then why haven't you resigned from the Church?

Moses was a true prophet imo. Then we have the Book of Judges. Ever read that?
Then we have David, who the Lord conversed with...how did that turn out at the end for him, even per sec132?
Solomon...yeah, looks like sec132 gone wild without a happy ending. Kingdom split when he dies. (Sounds similar to all the schisms during the succession crisis in the church after JS died? )
Yet God still was/is working with them/hopefully us. Whether they/we had a powerful kingdom or are in exile at the time.And us too. Remember when you were "Tony" and I agreed we were Israel on another thread?
At least Judah recorded warts and all truth in the Bible. People still believe it when the spirit witnesses to them HE is REAL, despite that those He communicated to messed up.
We as Ephraim, haven't got it yet. We still candy coat and correlate. This needs to stop and I have faith the Lord will reveal Himself again whe we can knock it off with the duplicity

Thats why I hang on.

[BTH&T]

I agree that the Prophet is the Lord's spokesman on the earth regarding affairs of the Church and anything else the Lord wants the Prophet to be His spokesman for.

I also believe that the Lord can talk to anyone else He wants to at any time, and he doesn't need to ask anyone else's permission to do so.

Yes we all are privileged to revelation. It's important to remember stewardship as well!

[Franco]

Every word that the Lord gives a prophet will not pass away does not equal every word that a prophet speaks is given to him by the Lord.
That's why we have also been commanded to receive our own witness for every pronouncement a prophet makes.
God has even said that He has given prophets false prophecies and those that follow them are condemned.

I know this is going to be hard for you to swallow, TonyFranco.

Oh, sure. The prophet that Jesus Christ has chosen to lead His Church will speak something, and instead of Jesus Christ revealing to that prophet that he has spoken something not of God, Jesus Christ will reveal to you that the prophet has spoken something that is not of God, because at certain times, God reveals things to you instead of His prophet. Have I assessed your position correctly?

[Rachael]

Prophets says new stuff at GC every once in a while. Most of it is recycled old talks, which some are quite good and deserve reiteration.

The new stuff is probably their personal opinions we accept as doctrine and then find all these inconsistencies when the lastest prophet has a differing view than a past one. Then we have to says God hasn;t changed, the times have, blah, blah

[Bee Prepared]

Could it be you are looking for inconsistencies?

Why not realize that every Prophet is leading us through different times, hence the need for a Prophet. There's no blah blah blah about it.
Recycled talks? There is repetition, and necessarily so. How many times have we heard the same thing and suddenly a light bulb goes on.
What does a flippant attitude have?

[Rachael]

I have no need to look for inconsistencies. They stab in the eyes if you look with your eyes to see the 300LDS gorilla

[djinwa]

This is confusing.

Seems the prophet is Christ's spokesman, unless he's busy. For example, as I've shared, I once called headquarters to get the official word as to whether polygamy is required to achieve exaltation. I was told the church had no position on the matter, and I was to pray and decide for myself. Which didn't make sense, as I didn't think members could come up with their own rules for heaven. I can tell you my wife came up with a different answer than I did.

In addition, we are told that when the prophets are right, it is of God, and when they are wrong it is their opinion. Which could pretty much apply to anyone. Heck, my dog is right half the time.

And then we're told to pray for inspiration to know when they speak for God. Which is strange that we can get inspiration for when the prophet can't. Why not cut out the middleman and not need the prophet and the associated expense?

[Robert Sinclair]

Hard to be a good spokesman, when the LORD has hid his face from you and there is "no" answer of God, unto you for the perversion of equity. Seek for the testimony of him who has met with and conversed with, and has the words to give to us, from his mouth, the LORD has said, why do so many discount and cast aside the word of the LORD, so surreal, as if waking up, only to find out a nightmare is happening and zombies are all around, walking on as robots, without a heart that can understand. Jesus Christ means what he says, in that which is written for the latter days. Awaken this house of Ephraim to the word of the LORD, reguarding his house, that Hosea 14:8 might finally be fullfilled. ♡

[Franco]

This is confusing.

Seems the prophet is Christ's spokesman, unless he's busy. For example, as I've shared, I once called headquarters to get the official word as to whether polygamy is required to achieve exaltation. I was told the church had no position on the matter, and I was to pray and decide for myself. Which didn't make sense, as I didn't think members could come up with their own rules for heaven. I can tell you my wife came up with a different answer than I did.

In addition, we are told that when the prophets are right, it is of God, and when they are wrong it is their opinion. Which could pretty much apply to anyone. Heck, my dog is right half the time.

And then we're told to pray for inspiration to know when they speak for God. Which is strange that we can get inspiration for when the prophet can't. Why not cut out the middleman and not need the prophet and the associated expense?

So, you actually believe God's prophet on the earth will answer the questions of 15 million members whenever they call headquarters?

[Rachael]

They could come up with a most frequently asked questions talk at GC, or at least post it on LDS.org. I'm sure djinwa's question would make the list, even if they limited it to the top 3.

[Franco]

They could come up with a most frequently asked questions talk at GC, or at least post it on LDS.org. I'm sure djinwa's question would make the list, even if they limited it to the top 3.

I have never known a member who thought polygamy is required to achieve exaltation. Apostates come up with these weird questions just to be problematic. It seems apostates candy coat their fellow apostates.

[Matchmaker]

This is confusing.

Seems the prophet is Christ's spokesman, unless he's busy. For example, as I've shared, I once called headquarters to get the official word as to whether polygamy is required to achieve exaltation. I was told the church had no position on the matter, and I was to pray and decide for myself. Which didn't make sense, as I didn't think members could come up with their own rules for heaven. I can tell you my wife came up with a different answer than I did.

In addition, we are told that when the prophets are right, it is of God, and when they are wrong it is their opinion. Which could pretty much apply to anyone. Heck, my dog is right half the time.

And then we're told to pray for inspiration to know when they speak for God. Which is strange that we can get inspiration for when the prophet can't. Why not cut out the middleman and not need the prophet and the associated expense?

I agree, things can seem confusing sometimes. I understand that all member questions on doctrine that are mailed to the 1st Presidency now get sent back to the Stake President of the member for answering. Other than talking directly with your Heavenly Father in prayer, your SP is probably the best person to go to in the Church, as he has direct Stewardship over you.