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A kissing cousin to the loon that would condemn someone for drinking coffee.Franco wrote:What kind of loon would condemn someone to hell for being fat?
Looks like we don't have to wait until judgement day for the condemning to start. :-ssFranco wrote:Jesus Christ is the One who will be condemning people at the last day, and he has told us that judgment begins at the house of God. Prophets have revealed that someone drinking coffee cannot enter the temple, which means Latter-day Saints who continue to drink coffee are toast.
We are all condemned save we live according to the gospel of Jesus Christ as revealed by his prophets and apostles in these latter days and endure to the end.caddis wrote:Looks like we don't have to wait until judgement day for the condemning to start. :-ssFranco wrote:Jesus Christ is the One who will be condemning people at the last day, and he has told us that judgment begins at the house of God. Prophets have revealed that someone drinking coffee cannot enter the temple, which means Latter-day Saints who continue to drink coffee are toast.
This church forum needs an enema.
So much for free agency, eh?DrZoidberg wrote:You do understand that if the church had full transparency you would have a potential large % of active members drop their tithings every single month they didn't agree with the latest expenditures? You add in revelation in the investment process and you should realize things can get pretty tricky to explain TODAY. It's not like God tells you to go spend church money only if its done in a "politically correct" manner. The worst unchristian investment today might be the best Christian investment tomorrow. The investment no matter how "obvious" wrong it seems today, might look very inspired 50 years later.jwharton wrote: For example, why are people who question the manner in which all of the financial records of the church are not fully exposed treated as apostates?
Isn't it a wise principle that the church have full accountability and transparency to all of the members making the donations?
Don't those who are bothered by this, genuinely in their conscience, deserve the respect to have their controversy heard out and acted upon?
People have got to wake up and see that raising up a controversy against the leaders is indeed something that should be respected, not shunned.
Let me give you an "extreme" example. The church invests by revelation 5% in playboy.. How would the members react? Half would probably stop paying tithing, the other half might say 'lets support playboy'. Result: 50% less tithing, and a few more consumers. 30 years later thanks to that investment, the church gets to have a say in closing down the business for good, and the future society gets a 50% less exposure.
Now, let me tell you. We should watch our leaders for inequity ALL the time, and don't take my word for it, but we really do have better leaders ( at the very top ) then what the church at large deserves.
I do find many of your posts about the progress from day 7 to yet another week interesting, I had thoughts along the same line by speculation before. But please be advised that finding faults with our leaders is a very powerful seed that if you give it enough nutrients will likely grow ( just like everything else ). But atleast in this case someone is always all too eager to supply you with the nutrients.
Someone I know has been struggling with the WoW for a very long time, yet - has one of the strongest testimony about the restoration around, the kids really do have very active plans to serve missions. We all sin differently.rewcox wrote: Imagine if his dad would have said, "Family, I read section 89 and determined it was just a suggestion. I want a beer every now and again, and I'm going to have a coffee in the morning."
I don't think the young man would have served a mission.
I hope the days eventually are over and done away, when we are defined simply as the people who don't drink this or that. I rather have the world label the saints as sinners, instead of us defining every coffee drinker as such.
Brigham Young's experience with enemas made of a "composition mixed with consecrated oil" could prove to be helpful:2EstablishZion wrote:This church needs an enema.
As I said to Jules, I am not sure how this works but this seems like a reasonable alternative:Brigham Young's office journal records: "Howard Egan called upon me in relation to Bro[ther] H. S. Sherman discontinuing his services on the western line with him. I told him Bro[ther] Shermans state of health required him to discontinue traveling that he might bestow more attention upon himself and use remedies to entirely cure himself of the piles and tumor he was afflicted with. Howard then left. I told Bro[ther] S. & S. Sherman yesterday that I had been obliged to use a syringe since my sickness in Nauvoo, and now I could not live months without using it; I believe the the [sic] frequent use of it has considerably benefitted my health as I am much better now than I have been for years. I enjoy my food much better that [sic] I used years ago. The use of the syringe strengthens my bowels I am persuaded that in nine cases out of ten the bowels become deranged before the stomach does, and the bowels being deranged soon affect the stomach. I charge the syringe frequently with composition sometimes I mix consecrated oil with it. I have sent for some good olive oil if it can be procured; for the oil the merchants import here is so unpleasant I cannot take it. Another good remedy for the piles is the grease that is attacked to the pizzle [sic] of pig that fat lying near the anus of the animal, this fat is particularly efficacious in the cure of the piles. I gave this remedy with the injections; or rather told my clerk David A. Calder to use these remedies, and he has not been sick since (48) and he was frequently away a few days sick with biliousness and piles. I have my own composition powder prepared it consist of Kyan [sic] pepper, ground ginger, cloves, barberry &c. I will here remark for the benefit of those who may read, that I feel it the duty of all men to take care of their health and use such medicinal remedies as are known to be good, I do not ask the Lord to do for me what I would not do for myself"
http://today-in-church-history.blogspot ... ar-02.html
A coffee enema?2EstablishZion wrote:This church needs an enema.
What if someone EATS like a lardass... but isn't actually a lardass? Same thing? Cause I'm pretty sure my soul is at least 300lbs.Obrien wrote:What about the lardasses who eat like there's no tomorrow, but can still waddle through the temple door? Will they be judged, too?Franco wrote:The fact that this thread would even be necessary is a sign that Satan has deceived people into thinking they should not follow the counsel that God has given through his prophets on the earth. If coffee is not what God meant by the word of wisdom, then Joseph Smith would have said that God was not referring to coffee.
A prophet has told us that if a person drinks coffee, tea, or alcohol, they are not worthy to enter the temple, and since judgment begins at the house of God, people who consume such liquids are sacrificing eternal life.
=))jbalm wrote:A coffee enema?2EstablishZion wrote:This church needs an enema.
It is a simple matter of judgment begins at the house of God, and you cannot enter the temple if you drink coffee. Jesus Christ's plan is plain and simple; nothing complicated about t.iWriteStuff wrote:I wonder how changing the name of the offending substance would change the voting process. Pigs still aren't kosher to the Jews and Hindus won't eat cows.
Is the offending substance subjectively taboo or is there an objective and specific reason for abstaining?
I don't drink coffee but I don't spend a lot of time condemning it either. I probably wouldn't have any friends or family left if I did. I hope God judges the heart and says fat people and diabetics can get into heaven too or I'm screwed
I would assume the coffee flavoring in ice cream would not violate the Word of Wisdom. As for the story about David O. McKay allegedly "eating" rum cake, it sounds like nothing more than a made up story. You would think that if such an incident was witnessed by "all the guests," there would be many who would immediately make it public and many could vouch for the story.Rachael wrote:What if you eat coffee flavored ice cream?
"At a reception McKay attended, the hostess served rum cake. “All the guests hesitated, watching to see what McKay would do. He smacked his lips and began to eat.” When one guest expostulated, “‘But President McKay, don’t you know that is rum cake?’ McKay smiled and reminded the guest that the Word of Wisdom forbade drinking alcohol, not eating it."
Obrien wrote:This frigging WORLD needs an enema. It could be inserted in Clinton, UT (just kidding, Sen).
It is on page 23, footnote 86 for chapter one. Google books did not display the page that said what footnote 86 is referencing. I would appreciate an attribution for the story.Lizzy60 wrote:When I get home, I will look up the attribution of Rachael's quote from President McKay.
Franco, the rum cake story is quoted in one of your favorite books, David O McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism. ;)
Buttacup wrote:It's not like you can get drunk from a rum cake anyways...
That a matter of opinion, but it could make one dog drunk if indulging in several slicesButtacup wrote:Besides that is there nastiest freaking cake ever...I just assume eat a dog food cake.
I just remember eating my mother in laws rum balls....I could barely hold back my gag reflex it was awful.... I'd rather just drink the rum from the bottle no need to ruin a cake with it lol.Rachael wrote:Buttacup wrote:It's not like you can get drunk from a rum cake anyways...
You haven't tried my sister's rum cake. We call it the "hah cake" because it will literally make ya say HAH,,, burns for a minute, then a warm fuzzy feeling begins
That a matter of opinion, but it could make one dog drunk if indulging in several slicesButtacup wrote:Besides that is there nastiest freaking cake ever...I just assume eat a dog food cake.