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Rachael wrote:Ok thats fine. God bless you for it, that is a noble endeavor.Just remember if you have not charity, the tone will sound like brass and tinkling cymbols

Isaiah 3:16
16 ¶Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

This is talking about the women. I suppose the men are drunkards.

How do you mince when you go? :-\

rewcox wrote:

Rachael wrote:Ok thats fine. God bless you for it, that is a noble endeavor.Just remember if you have not charity, the tone will sound like brass and tinkling cymbols

Isaiah 3:16
16 ¶Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

This is talking about the women. I suppose the men are drunkards.

How do you mince when you go? :-\

Depends on how drunk I am... and whether I have a tambourine

But youre right rewcox, associating sounding brass and tinkling/mincing with females. Though Paul (in 1Corinthians) meant it in a broader concept than what you quoted from Isaiah. In some pagan religions, women would use tinkling instruments, while the priests revealed false prophesies.

Paul meant it as having charity, or your words are no more worth than the music of idolatry. Even Nebuchadnezzar used music, and cast 3 in a furnace, when they did not fall down and worship the idol... Nothing to do really with your post, I just thought it was an interesting cultural thing that made me understand the Isaiah and Corinthians verses better

Franco wrote:I do not plan on changing my tone. I plan on preaching the gospel in the spirit world...

:ymapplause:
Sounds like a tone change to me. I will wait with excitment.

Jeremy wrote:

Franco wrote:I do not plan on changing my tone. I plan on preaching the gospel in the spirit world...

:ymapplause:
Sounds like a tone change to me. I will wait with excitment.

If I am translated, someone else will be preaching the gospel to you in the spirit world.

Franco wrote:If I am translated, someone else will be preaching the gospel to you in the spirit world.

Let's pray your translated. O:-)

Rachael wrote:

rewcox wrote:

Rachael wrote:Ok thats fine. God bless you for it, that is a noble endeavor.Just remember if you have not charity, the tone will sound like brass and tinkling cymbols

Isaiah 3:16
16 ¶Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

This is talking about the women. I suppose the men are drunkards.

How do you mince when you go? :-\

Depends on how drunk I am... and whether I have a tambourine

Rachael, I have seen you post that you think there is so much wrong in the Church and that it is all candy coated.

Rachael wrote:People still believe it when the spirit witnesses to them HE is REAL, despite that those He communicated to messed up.
We as Ephraim, haven't got it yet. We still candy coat and correlate. This needs to stop and I have faith the Lord will reveal Himself again whe we can knock it off with the duplicity

And then you post things about drinking alcohol and being drunk.

Have you considered cleansing the inner vessel first before you start talking about the need for the Church to be cleansed?

Franco wrote:Rachael, I have seen you post that you think there is so much wrong in the Church and that it is all candy coated.

Rachael wrote:People still believe it when the spirit witnesses to them HE is REAL, despite that those He communicated to messed up.
We as Ephraim, haven't got it yet. We still candy coat and correlate. This needs to stop and I have faith the Lord will reveal Himself again whe we can knock it off with the duplicity

And then you post things about drinking alcohol and being drunk.

Have you considered cleansing the inner vessel first before you start talking about the need for the Church to be cleansed?

D&C 112:24-26:
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord"

Pot calling kettle...

Come in kettle...*static*

I don't candy coat myself. WYSIWYG
But you have a good point.

Rachael wrote:

Franco wrote:Rachael, I have seen you post that you think there is so much wrong in the Church and that it is all candy coated.

Rachael wrote:People still believe it when the spirit witnesses to them HE is REAL, despite that those He communicated to messed up.
We as Ephraim, haven't got it yet. We still candy coat and correlate. This needs to stop and I have faith the Lord will reveal Himself again whe we can knock it off with the duplicity

And then you post things about drinking alcohol and being drunk.

Have you considered cleansing the inner vessel first before you start talking about the need for the Church to be cleansed?

D&C 112:24-26:
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord"

Pot calling kettle...

Come in kettle...*static*

I don't candy coat myself. WYSIWYG
But you have a good point.

I am aware of the fact that he will cleanse His Church, and when He does, it will be mostly members who will not live the gospel as put forth by His chosen and anointed servants.

He's gonna start with the WoW breakers?
I'm sure my turn will come, but it seems that I'm not first to take a bath per D&C 112

Franco wrote:I am aware of the fact that he will cleanse His Church, and when He does, it will be mostly members who will not live the gospel as put forth by His chosen and anointed servants.

Your referring to his most recent "chosen and anointed", correct?

Obrien wrote:

Tony wrote:

Obrien wrote: (-|

You are "bored" by news that the entire Church sustained the revelation that the "hot drinks" in the Word of Wisdom are coffee and tea?

Why not just admit that you do not keep the Word of Wisdom?

I'm a cash guy...hell, I don't even have a debit card.
I have a fairly considerable roll on me right now.
I'd bet it all, against whatever you have in your pocket, that you don't keep the WoW, either. Care to wager? Why be a hypocrite?
(Ps -I already admitted I don't live the WoW. I have never washed my body with strong drink, and I had a chicken cob salad yesterday - the croutons were out of season).

I'm glad you're here, Obrien! You're good for this site.

I had a great-great grandfather who set all kinds of records for ordinance work in the temple. He practically lived at the temple and yet he openly admitted that he could never give up tobacco. His leaders knew, but they didn't seem to mind.

I wonder if he has been cast in outer darkness for his weakness?

Rachael wrote:He's gonna start with the WoW breakers?
I sure my turn will come, but it seems that I'm not first to take a bath per D&C 112

Rachael, I think you're pretty cool too!

Backatcha!!

Rachael wrote:Backatcha!!

I believe J. Golden Kimball would think well of people like you, Obrien, and others on this site. It's good to know that there are people out there in Mormondom that have a good dose of common sense. ;)

lol, love J Golden!

Ribble wrote:

Obrien wrote:

Tony wrote:

Obrien wrote: (-|

You are "bored" by news that the entire Church sustained the revelation that the "hot drinks" in the Word of Wisdom are coffee and tea?

Why not just admit that you do not keep the Word of Wisdom?

I'm a cash guy...hell, I don't even have a debit card.
I have a fairly considerable roll on me right now.
I'd bet it all, against whatever you have in your pocket, that you don't keep the WoW, either. Care to wager? Why be a hypocrite?
(Ps -I already admitted I don't live the WoW. I have never washed my body with strong drink, and I had a chicken cob salad yesterday - the croutons were out of season).

I'm glad you're here, Obrien! You're good for this site.

FWIW, I did not get a bite from Tony or Franco or whoever he is this month on my proposed wager. Of course, gambling is prohibited in the scriptures, too...

Ribble wrote:I had a great-great grandfather who set all kinds of records for ordinance work in the temple. He practically lived at the temple and yet he openly admitted that he could never give up tobacco. His leaders knew, but they didn't seem to mind.

I wonder if he has been cast in outer darkness for his weakness?

excuse me while I get into my ultimate piousness costume...
NO, HE HAS NOT BEEN CAST INTO OUTER DARKNESS.
HE HAS BEEN CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE, BEING TORMENTED ETERNALLY FOR HIS USE OF A LEAF. POUND PULPIT HERE.







Ok, I'm back. It took me a minute to get out of my pious suit...I must have gained some weight (no more croutons on the salad).

Rachael wrote:He's gonna start with the WoW breakers?
I'm sure my turn will come, but it seems that I'm not first to take a bath per D&C 112

Judgment begins at the house of God, which is the temple. Jesus Christ revealed to one of His prophets on the earth that a person must abstain from coffee, tea, alcohol, and tobacco in order to be worthy to enter the temple. The saints must also pay their tithing, keep the law of chastity, and keep the Sabbath holy among other things.

I don't agree that the Lord told a prophet to enforce the WoW as a commandment. I think it was HJG, freelancing in the name of the Lord.

It is a good thing the judgment didn't come on His house back in the days when entrance to the temple was based on irrigation water flow and how you treated wandering animals.

Rachael wrote:He's gonna start with the WoW breakers?
I'm sure my turn will come, but it seems that I'm not first to take a bath per D&C 112

aren't we all supposed to be baptized? this confuses me

I thought we were talking about the WoW, specifically coffee. Now I'm confused

Obrien wrote:I don't agree that the Lord told a prophet to enforce the WoW as a commandment. I think it was HJG, freelancing in the name of the Lord.

It is a good thing the judgment didn't come on His house back in the days when entrance to the temple was based on irrigation water flow and how you treated wandering animals.

So, Jesus Christ's prophet on the earth was just "freelancing" when he said you must abstain from coffee, tea, alcohol, and tobacco to enter the temple but you, Obrien, have had personal revelations on what is required for celestial glory?

Rachael wrote:I thought we were talking about the WoW, specifically coffee. Now I'm confused

sorry, you mentioned d&c section which had baptism in it, plus you said take a bath. im sorry