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"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.
"Continued stiff-arming by the powerful Koch network could limit Trump's ability to build a professional campaign operation to mobilize supporters ahead of primaries and caucuses," Politico said.
In recent weeks, AFP and Concerned Veterans for America, the Koch-backed groups, have hosted events with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul. The Columbus event will feature those candidates as well as Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
Opinions about Trump are mixed among the Koch network of donors, Politico said. Some were offended by Trump's implication that Arizona Sen. John McCain is not a war hero.
It's unclear whether the Koch brothers will take a more formal stance against Trump, Politico said.
"The good news is that Donald Trump doesn't need the Koch brothers, and he can do this perfectly without their assistance," Josh Youssef, chairman of Trump's campaign in Belknap County, New Hampshire, told Politico. "Their motivations are clearly not to break the mold of political insider-ship. Their goal is to keep the wheel spinning. Trump's bad for business for them."
Trump has hired a number of AFP staff to his campaign, including campaign manager Corey Lewandowski who until January ran AFP's national voter-registration effort.
The distance between Trump and the Koch groups suggests an ideological divide, with Trump eschewing traditional ideological lines and the influential interests behind them.
"I think that's what is sort of scaring a lot of people, especially on both Republican and Democratic sides, because they can't control Trump," Stephen Stepanek, a New Hampshire state legislator who is co-chairing Trump's state campaign, told Politico.
"People are really afraid to speak their mind, and it is actually with the way people react to things and the way that these various groups attack people if they say anything," he said. "We're having our First Amendment, freedom of speech, stepped on, walked all over by these various groups."

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Elizabeth wrote:"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.

So currently reading on Zion, the rich and affluent people on all sides, just more Babylonian Economy phooey balooey.

Trump currently has support because people have lost confidence in political players.

"GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump says he would consider former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for his administration if he wins the White House.
Appearing Monday on “The Palin Update with Kevin Scholla” on Mama Grizzly Radio, Trump was asked whether he might seek Palin’s advice as president, or even have her in his administration in an official capacity.
“I’d love that,” Trump said. “Because she really is somebody who knows what’s happening and she’s a special person. She’s really a special person and I think people know that.”
He often has people on the campaign trail urging him to get the former vice presidential candidate’s support, Trump said.
“Everybody loves her,” Trump said, before correcting himself. “No, like me, she’s got some people that don’t exactly love us, and we understand who they are.”
But her supporters “like the Sarah Palin kind of strength,” he said. “You just don’t see very much of it anymore.”
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Elizabeth wrote:"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.

So currently reading on Zion, the rich and affluent people on all sides, just more Babylonian Economy phooey balooey.

Trump currently has support because people have lost confidence in political players.

lol@phooey balooey!

Trump is a racist demagogue.

Why?

Elizabeth wrote:Why?

His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.

samizdat wrote:

Elizabeth wrote:Why?

His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.

Post those comments. I have never seen them. Even looking on anti-trump sites I can't find any quotes that would indicate what you wrote.

Rubbish. He is referring to those who are.

samizdat wrote:

Elizabeth wrote:Why?

His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.

And even if not for those comments, I see how this man is operating and he would be BAD news if he got elected. Many people call Obama a dictator here. Trump would not only act the part real well as Obama has done, but he WOULD be one for real.

Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.

I've had to practice on my German so that people don't think I'm an American. Trump's words he spoke on that day, were indicative of racism and prejudice of the highest degree. You can google what he said when he declared his hat to be in the ring. He would NOT be a good president. But I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as a third party candidate.

samizdat wrote: Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.

Thank you for vindicating Trump's comments.

Trump is the candidate for people who love socialism, but hate Mexicans.

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.

Thank you for vindicating Trump's comments.

Trump is so far out there he is unbelievable. To paraphrase one of my favorite actors and wrestlers: (Mexico) did not screw Donald Trump. Donald Trump screwed Donald Trump.

Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear, are seeing what Trump is advocating and what his people are doing, with a certain megalomaniac born in Austria that became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

Only this time instead of the Jews, it's the immigrants. Hypocritical given that those working on Trump's hotel in DC happen to be...illegal immigrants.

Stacy Oliver wrote:Trump is the candidate for people who love socialism, but hate Mexicans.

Couldn't have said that better myself. Good job!

I am not a trump supporter. In fact, I really don't like the guy at all. But everyone's rhetoric here is off the charts. He doesn't hate Mexicans. Everything he said about illegal immigrants from mexico that I have read is true.

What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...

On the other side of the border they make your smart phones, your televisions, your computers...for a tenth of the salary they would receive in the USA.

samizdat wrote:What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...

That is what some of them do. Some of them also murder, rape, deal drugs, etc... It appears you are reading more into his statements than what was said.

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote:What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...

That is what some of them do. Some of them also murder, rape, deal drugs, etc... It appears you are reading more into his statements than what was said.

He was pretty clear about what he said.

Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

For your quotes:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... and-crime/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

samizdat wrote:

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.

This is an amazingly idealistic view of what illegal immigrants are and what motivates them. I have no doubt that this does describe some. None of this disproves anything Trump said. None of this disproves that many illegal immigrants rape, murder, and commit crime here.

samizdat wrote:

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

For your quotes:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... xico-rapes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... and-crime/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you. Those are the same quotes I read. Nothing he said was untrue. It may be stated in a harsh manner, but it appears that you and others are taking it personally instead of addressing the facts presented.

Many illegal Mexican immigrants rape, murder, and commit other crimes. It is a fact. And even 1 rape or murder is too many.

samizdat wrote:

Serragon wrote:

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.

If this is true then why doesn't the Mexican govt allow free flow of Guatemalans and El Salvadorans into Mexico for a better life? Don't they come from the same basic cultural background and understanding? Seems to be a tad bit of hypocrisy here...

From a report by the State of Texas department of Public Safety:

From October 2008 to April 2014, Texas identified a total 177,588 unique criminal alien defendants booked into Texas county jails. These individuals have been identified through the Secure Communities initiative, in which Texas has participated since October 2008.

A review of these 177,588 defendants shows that they are responsible for at least 611,234 individual criminal charges over their criminal careers, including 2,993 homicides and 7,695 sexual assaults.


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