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[Elizabeth]

Kellyanne Conway, until recently a senior adviser to Donald Trump, has become the latest person in the US President’s orbit to test positive for the coronavirus. Ms Conway is now the seventh person with the virus who attended an event in the White House’s Rose Garden a week ago, where Mr Trump announced he had chosen Judge Amy Coney Barrett to fill the Supreme Court’s vacant seat.
The others are Mr Trump himself, his wife Melania, Utah Senator Mike Lee, North Carolina Senator Thom Tillis, the University of Notre Dame’s president, Reverend John Jenkins, and a White House reporter who has not been identified.

[larsenb]

If you read the articles in this issue, they certainly aren't trumpeting Trump as helping their "Grand Strategy" . . . . by his destroying it.

Not sure what you mean by your last question. Maybe you can clarify it.

Look into it...”The World in 2019” - The Economist

You ever hear the term “talking your book”???

George Soros is a master at it...so maybe that helps explain why he can sit there at DAVOS and listen to Trump’s pulpit pounder speech (talking his own book)...and yet be an investment partner with Trump and Kushner.

Hoodwinked!!! ...and apologetics for globalists...

It would be rather startling if Jason would somehow decide to objectively state his meanings w/out obscure, rather meaningless hints at this and that to include off-the-wall questions, which only he knows the meaning of.

If you look at the last several issues of The Economist, it has several articles outlining how DT is destroying their "world system" and "Grand Strategy", especially their September issue which shows an image on its cover of Trump sitting on top of a world that is being shattered.

Here are a few of the articles in this last issue: "Present at the Disruption: How Trump Unmade U.S. Foreign Policy; The End of American Illusion: Trump and the World as it Is" ; The Democratic Renewal: What It Will Take to Fix U.S. Foreign Policy"; "League of Nationalists; How Trump and Modi Refashioned the U.S.-Indian Relationship"; and the rest of the articles undoubtedly are full of anti-Trump diatribes, even though that may not be their focus.

Trump is hardly the darling of the 'globalist elites'; and I have yet to see good arguments that he is being used by them as a 'stalking horse'.

Then why are they funding him????????????

Another sweeping generality.

[Jason]

Look into it...”The World in 2019” - The Economist

You ever hear the term “talking your book”???

George Soros is a master at it...so maybe that helps explain why he can sit there at DAVOS and listen to Trump’s pulpit pounder speech (talking his own book)...and yet be an investment partner with Trump and Kushner.

Hoodwinked!!! ...and apologetics for globalists...

It would be rather startling if Jason would somehow decide to objectively state his meanings w/out obscure, rather meaningless hints at this and that to include off-the-wall questions, which only he knows the meaning of.

If you look at the last several issues of The Economist, it has several articles outlining how DT is destroying their "world system" and "Grand Strategy", especially their September issue which shows an image on its cover of Trump sitting on top of a world that is being shattered.

Here are a few of the articles in this last issue: "Present at the Disruption: How Trump Unmade U.S. Foreign Policy; The End of American Illusion: Trump and the World as it Is" ; The Democratic Renewal: What It Will Take to Fix U.S. Foreign Policy"; "League of Nationalists; How Trump and Modi Refashioned the U.S.-Indian Relationship"; and the rest of the articles undoubtedly are full of anti-Trump diatribes, even though that may not be their focus.

Trump is hardly the darling of the 'globalist elites'; and I have yet to see good arguments that he is being used by them as a 'stalking horse'.

Then why are they funding him????????????

Another sweeping generality.

But its true...and I have yet to see you respond with contradictory evidence...just sweeping statements of opinion...

[Elizabeth]

Just watched President Trump speaking from the Hospital. He looks well

“We’re working hard to get me back. I have to get back because we still have to make America great again. We have to finish that job and I think I’ll be back soon … to finishing up the campaign.”

[Connie561]

Just watched President Trump speaking from the Hospital. He looks well

“We’re working hard to get me back. I have to get back because we still have to make America great again. We have to finish that job and I think I’ll be back soon … to finishing up the campaign.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=omjhefMOM9Q&t=39s

Looks like Trump is on an aircraft carrier and not at the hospital!

[Elizabeth]

Who knows

Probably wise security to keep his enemies guessing.

[larsenb]

It would be rather startling if Jason would somehow decide to objectively state his meanings w/out obscure, rather meaningless hints at this and that to include off-the-wall questions, which only he knows the meaning of.

If you look at the last several issues of The Economist, it has several articles outlining how DT is destroying their "world system" and "Grand Strategy", especially their September issue which shows an image on its cover of Trump sitting on top of a world that is being shattered.

Here are a few of the articles in this last issue: "Present at the Disruption: How Trump Unmade U.S. Foreign Policy; The End of American Illusion: Trump and the World as it Is" ; The Democratic Renewal: What It Will Take to Fix U.S. Foreign Policy"; "League of Nationalists; How Trump and Modi Refashioned the U.S.-Indian Relationship"; and the rest of the articles undoubtedly are full of anti-Trump diatribes, even though that may not be their focus.

Trump is hardly the darling of the 'globalist elites'; and I have yet to see good arguments that he is being used by them as a 'stalking horse'.

Then why are they funding him????????????

Another sweeping generality.

But its true...and I have yet to see you respond with contradictory evidence...just sweeping statements of opinion...

Well, to remove this assertion from the 'sweeping generality' category, you need to state something like: who did the funding, how much it was, the proof that they are really part of the elite controllers (not just guilt by association or proximity) whether they are still funding him (for his Presidency run, his Presidency, or giving him loans, etc.); and what proportion of his total funding this 'funding' constitutes, if you can.

Here is contrary evidence to the idea that whomever you define as the elites are totally funding him (this is where your sweeping generalization doesn't cut it): namely, both my wife and myself have contributed to his funding, as have several others that we know about.

Oh, and can you state categorically why my identification of your statement is just an opinion? . . . . and try to stick to the context of your statement: "Then why are they funding him".

[Jason]

I’ve already done that numerous times...you can start with Blackstone...search my posts and see if I have not covered that extensively from the 40 year relationship with Trump to the long-standing membership in Council on Foreign Relations to the long standing partnership with Henry Kissinger to being a member in the World Economic Forum (Event 201 & The Great Reset) to being the #1 money man behind Trump.

Just that one should do...no need to expand to Wilbur Ross & the Rothschilds, Larry Fink & Blackrock, and the numerous others.

But based on your track record thus far on research...my expectations are low. Hence the reference to opinion...

Praying though that Trump recovers quickly from Covid and can return to his duties. Wouldn’t wish Covid on anyone.

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Joel]

[larsenb]

I’ve already done that numerous times...you can start with Blackstone...search my posts and see if I have not covered that extensively from the 40 year relationship with Trump to the long-standing membership in Council on Foreign Relations to the long standing partnership with Henry Kissinger to being a member in the World Economic Forum (Event 201 & The Great Reset) to being the #1 money man behind Trump.

Just that one should do...no need to expand to Wilbur Ross & the Rothschilds, Larry Fink & Blackrock, and the numerous others.

But based on your track record thus far on research...my expectations are low. Hence the reference to opinion...

Praying though that Trump recovers quickly from Covid and can return to his duties. Wouldn’t wish Covid on anyone.

I'm still waiting to see you make a cogent case based on your own analysis and reasoning, not guilt by association and proximity and 'proven' by myriad, myriad linked articles (many irrelevant) and myriad, myriad photographs.

I have no desire to wade through all the stuff you provide, though I have read quite a few. Life is too short.

[Jason]

I’ve already done that numerous times...you can start with Blackstone...search my posts and see if I have not covered that extensively from the 40 year relationship with Trump to the long-standing membership in Council on Foreign Relations to the long standing partnership with Henry Kissinger to being a member in the World Economic Forum (Event 201 & The Great Reset) to being the #1 money man behind Trump.

Just that one should do...no need to expand to Wilbur Ross & the Rothschilds, Larry Fink & Blackrock, and the numerous others.

But based on your track record thus far on research...my expectations are low. Hence the reference to opinion...

Praying though that Trump recovers quickly from Covid and can return to his duties. Wouldn’t wish Covid on anyone.

I'm still waiting to see you make a cogent case based on your own analysis and reasoning, not guilt by association and proximity and 'proven' by myriad, myriad linked articles (many irrelevant) and myriad, myriad photographs.

I have no desire to wade through all the stuff you provide, though I have read quite a few. Life is too short.

as i stated...expectations were low...can't say I didn't see that response coming..

...of course after learning that you are not only emotionally but financially invested in Trump...your responses are more transparent and make more sense...

...in the psychology of the business investment world...the easiest people to defraud are those who are already invested...and hoping like heck their investments pay off...

...so I get it. I had a somewhat similar experience with Ron Paul (only politician I've put money behind)...but I value the truth more than being right or wrong about something...and still thank forum member Semp (SempiternalHarbinger) for opening my eyes on that one!!!

[larsenb]

I’ve already done that numerous times...you can start with Blackstone...search my posts and see if I have not covered that extensively from the 40 year relationship with Trump to the long-standing membership in Council on Foreign Relations to the long standing partnership with Henry Kissinger to being a member in the World Economic Forum (Event 201 & The Great Reset) to being the #1 money man behind Trump.

Just that one should do...no need to expand to Wilbur Ross & the Rothschilds, Larry Fink & Blackrock, and the numerous others.

But based on your track record thus far on research...my expectations are low. Hence the reference to opinion...

Praying though that Trump recovers quickly from Covid and can return to his duties. Wouldn’t wish Covid on anyone.

I'm still waiting to see you make a cogent case based on your own analysis and reasoning, not guilt by association and proximity and 'proven' by myriad, myriad linked articles (many irrelevant) and myriad, myriad photographs.

I have no desire to wade through all the stuff you provide, though I have read quite a few. Life is too short.

as i stated...expectations were low...can't say I didn't see that response coming..

...of course after learning that you are not only emotionally but financially invested in Trump...your responses are more transparent and make more sense...

...in the psychology of the business investment world...the easiest people to defraud are those who are already invested...and hoping like heck their investments pay off...

...so I get it. I had a somewhat similar experience with Ron Paul (only politician I've put money behind)...but I value the truth more than being right or wrong about something...and still thank forum member Semp (SempiternalHarbinger) for opening my eyes on that one!!!

No Jason. Again you misread me. As I've stated many times, I liked Trump because of his platform. It made a lot of sense. And he's fulfilled his promises or tried to for almost all his platform items That is good, imsho. Not any more complicated than that with me. I.e., I invested in him because of what he promised to do and what he did. This is a reasonable approach. Very little emotional content, except being pleased with much of his performance. I.e., in terms of his platform, my investment has already paid off.

You keep trying to impugn my motives and you keep failing, and flailing iin the attempt. How refreshing it would be to see you just accept what I say about this without your continued attempts to personally degrade me (i.e., name calling and scatalogical comments about me, etc., the last deleted by a moderator)

So, how is your statement: "Then why are they [the global elites] funding him???????????? ", not a sweeping generality? This is a question regarding your logic and rhetoric, it is not a personal attack on you.

[Joel]

[Joel]

In 2018, President Donald Trump teamed up with then–Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) to offer $4.5 billion in subsidies and tax incentives to the Taiwanese manufacturer Foxconn in exchange for building a 20-million-square-foot factory in the rural community of Mount Pleasant.

"I think we can say this is the eighth wonder of the world," Trump said at a groundbreaking ceremony in June 2018.

The project was supposed to employ 13,000 local workers, helping to make good on Trump's campaign promise to increase the number of domestic factory jobs.

More than two years later, planners have flattened a residential neighborhood and built an unfinished data center and warehouses, which are a fraction of the size of the state-of-the-art LCD panel factory that was originally planned.

The Foxconn debacle is just the latest government-led development deal riddled with false promises in which the state provided the rich with giveaways and used the threat of eminent domain to push ordinary citizens out of their homes to benefit a private company. The Mount Pleasant neighborhood where the Foxconn factory was supposed to be built was flattened—questionably so, since the buildings that have been constructed occupy a tiny portion of the area that was demolished.

When Reason did a story on the project in 2018, Kim and Jim Mahoney were some of the only residents left within 1 1/2 square miles. They were fighting the local government, which was attempting to bully them into selling their dream home by threatening that the state would step in and force them out.

"How can they take my house? To me, it's stealing," Jim Mahoney told Reason in 2018.

The Mahoneys, unlike all their neighbors, managed to stay put, and today their house overlooks a warehouse and unfinished construction site. It's unclear what ultimately will become of the project.

"You're setting people up for failure if you encourage them to locate in a place where they fundamentally shouldn't be locating," says economist Matthew D. Mitchell, a senior research fellow and director of the Equity Initiative at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. Mitchell, who co-authored a study on the Foxconn deal, says it's a cautionary tale of what happens when politicians become private sector deal-makers.

"You're not spending your own money and you don't reap any upside reward from the benefits. So you have no incentive to minimize the costs and no incentive to maximize the benefits," Mitchell notes.

"The very best thing that a governor could do is to announce that they will never, ever preside over any ribbon-cutting ceremony in which they subsidize a particular firm," says Mitchell. Even though the economics don't make sense, the political incentives encourage mayors and governors to "outbid" neighboring states to attract investment.

"There is a way to get around this that sort of appreciates the political economy of the situation," Mitchell notes. "States could enter into interstate compacts with one another, whereby they agree to a mutually disarm in the subsidy war—'I'll put away my subsidies if you put away yours.' This is really the same kind of logic that governs things like the WTO, and it's been extraordinarily successful."

He emphasizes that the Foxconn debacle isn't a story about Trump's unique incompetence, as some critics portray it. It's about the perils of government-led business deals, no matter who's in charge and what political party they belong to.

[larsenb]

In 2018, President Donald Trump teamed up with then–Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) to offer $4.5 billion in subsidies and tax incentives to the Taiwanese manufacturer Foxconn in exchange for building a 20-million-square-foot factory in the rural community of Mount Pleasant.

"I think we can say this is the eighth wonder of the world," Trump said at a groundbreaking ceremony in June 2018.

The project was supposed to employ 13,000 local workers, helping to make good on Trump's campaign promise to increase the number of domestic factory jobs.

More than two years later, planners have flattened a residential neighborhood and built an unfinished data center and warehouses, which are a fraction of the size of the state-of-the-art LCD panel factory that was originally planned.

The Foxconn debacle is just the latest government-led development deal riddled with false promises in which the state provided the rich with giveaways and used the threat of eminent domain to push ordinary citizens out of their homes to benefit a private company. The Mount Pleasant neighborhood where the Foxconn factory was supposed to be built was flattened—questionably so, since the buildings that have been constructed occupy a tiny portion of the area that was demolished.

When Reason did a story on the project in 2018, Kim and Jim Mahoney were some of the only residents left within 1 1/2 square miles. They were fighting the local government, which was attempting to bully them into selling their dream home by threatening that the state would step in and force them out.

"How can they take my house? To me, it's stealing," Jim Mahoney told Reason in 2018.

The Mahoneys, unlike all their neighbors, managed to stay put, and today their house overlooks a warehouse and unfinished construction site. It's unclear what ultimately will become of the project.

"You're setting people up for failure if you encourage them to locate in a place where they fundamentally shouldn't be locating," says economist Matthew D. Mitchell, a senior research fellow and director of the Equity Initiative at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University. Mitchell, who co-authored a study on the Foxconn deal, says it's a cautionary tale of what happens when politicians become private sector deal-makers.

"You're not spending your own money and you don't reap any upside reward from the benefits. So you have no incentive to minimize the costs and no incentive to maximize the benefits," Mitchell notes.

"The very best thing that a governor could do is to announce that they will never, ever preside over any ribbon-cutting ceremony in which they subsidize a particular firm," says Mitchell. Even though the economics don't make sense, the political incentives encourage mayors and governors to "outbid" neighboring states to attract investment.

"There is a way to get around this that sort of appreciates the political economy of the situation," Mitchell notes. "States could enter into interstate compacts with one another, whereby they agree to a mutually disarm in the subsidy war—'I'll put away my subsidies if you put away yours.' This is really the same kind of logic that governs things like the WTO, and it's been extraordinarily successful."

He emphasizes that the Foxconn debacle isn't a story about Trump's unique incompetence, as some critics portray it. It's about the perils of government-led business deals, no matter who's in charge and what political party they belong to.

W/out digging into all the allegations, this appears to be one of the things involving Trump that I don't like. I hope someone in his circles calls him on it and I hope he experiences regret and remorse for his involvement in it.

[Joel]

[larsenb]

What garbage. Lee apparently walked this back saying he was comparing Trump's defense of our country to Moroni's defense of his country. I agree with him . . . . as long as DT keeps doing this.

[Joel]

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