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Posted: **August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm**

larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 6:24 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 1:30 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 19th, 2020, 5:56 pm

Oh I get it...continuation of the same...just different faces...different propaganda...
I've never encountered a person who is a Never Trumper or suffering from various degrees of TDS whom I've been able to have an actual conversation with, let alone convincing them of anything I may bring up. Always adversarial.

This is one of the characteristics of those caught up in this type of mentality; others are a tendency to use sarcasm, negative black-and-white assessments and/or sweeping generalities, loss of objectivity, to mention a few.

Unfortunately, the research techniques of throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks and assessing guilt due any type of association or proximity, really won't cut it in a true academic setting. One item of this type you recently used was the Trump as trickster article laced with Jungian archetype allusions. Good grief.

And true to the form I've described, I doubt very much I'm going to see anything different from you, at least on the Trump issue, despite agreeing with you on many others.
Academic setting? Doesn't that require more than just opinion? Like supporting documentation....

Well if you knew anything about the Tavistock Institute...you would know they created Jungian archetypes....so yeah nature of the beast....literally.

Well if there was evidence to the contrary...you might. Not some stupid speech which he can back peddle on days later...and typically does...
OK, Jason, here's your opportunity. Perhaps you could identify maybe one or two Jungian archetypes the Tavistock Institute created having to do w/Trump. Give good documentation for this if you can and TRY to be succinct. I'm not sure you understand how off-putting it is for someone to try to deal with a mud-against-the-wall approach.

lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.

...I've provided hundreds of opportunities for you and you've explored how many on your own now? Rather than do the work...you just say well Trump is just partly dirty but he's washed himself off recently...all while ignoring the hard core realities of his employees getting busted and going to prison...but believing somehow the boss is innocent...the Don!

...and then you denigrate me for going to the effort of providing you some directions to explore...

Posted: **August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 6:24 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 1:30 pm
I've never encountered a person who is a Never Trumper or suffering from various degrees of TDS whom I've been able to have an actual conversation with, let alone convincing them of anything I may bring up. Always adversarial.

This is one of the characteristics of those caught up in this type of mentality; others are a tendency to use sarcasm, negative black-and-white assessments and/or sweeping generalities, loss of objectivity, to mention a few.

Unfortunately, the research techniques of throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks and assessing guilt due any type of association or proximity, really won't cut it in a true academic setting. One item of this type you recently used was the Trump as trickster article laced with Jungian archetype allusions. Good grief.

And true to the form I've described, I doubt very much I'm going to see anything different from you, at least on the Trump issue, despite agreeing with you on many others.
Academic setting? Doesn't that require more than just opinion? Like supporting documentation....

Well if you knew anything about the Tavistock Institute...you would know they created Jungian archetypes....so yeah nature of the beast....literally.

Well if there was evidence to the contrary...you might. Not some stupid speech which he can back peddle on days later...and typically does...
OK, Jason, here's your opportunity. Perhaps you could identify maybe one or two Jungian archetypes the Tavistock Institute created having to do w/Trump. Give good documentation for this if you can and TRY to be succinct. I'm not sure you understand how off-putting it is for someone to try to deal with a mud-against-the-wall approach.
lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.

You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.

Posted: **August 20th, 2020, 8:07 pm**

larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:38 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 6:24 pm

Academic setting? Doesn't that require more than just opinion? Like supporting documentation....

Well if you knew anything about the Tavistock Institute...you would know they created Jungian archetypes....so yeah nature of the beast....literally.

Well if there was evidence to the contrary...you might. Not some stupid speech which he can back peddle on days later...and typically does...
OK, Jason, here's your opportunity. Perhaps you could identify maybe one or two Jungian archetypes the Tavistock Institute created having to do w/Trump. Give good documentation for this if you can and TRY to be succinct. I'm not sure you understand how off-putting it is for someone to try to deal with a mud-against-the-wall approach.
lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.
You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.

lol...it will never stick to your satisfaction. Cough up my billing rate of $200 an hour though...and I might be willing to dedicate a Saturday to it...

...I'm sure Obama hoped he would become King on his watch...but alas it needs to be updated to Trump

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 1:20 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:07 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:38 pm

OK, Jason, here's your opportunity. Perhaps you could identify maybe one or two Jungian archetypes the Tavistock Institute created having to do w/Trump. Give good documentation for this if you can and TRY to be succinct. I'm not sure you understand how off-putting it is for someone to try to deal with a mud-against-the-wall approach.
lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.
You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.
lol...it will never stick to your satisfaction. Cough up my billing rate of $200 an hour though...and I might be willing to dedicate a Saturday to it...

...I'm sure Obama hoped he would become King on his watch...but alas it needs to be updated to Trump

Not up to the task, eh? I thought not.

And the idea that Trump had or has any idea of "becoming king" is ridiculous. Such an ambition for a 75 year old man who has been an entrepreneur and in construction all his life! Only in your fevered imagination and that of your fellow anti-Trumpers and sufferers from varying degrees of TDS.

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 1:38 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:07 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:38 pm

OK, Jason, here's your opportunity. Perhaps you could identify maybe one or two Jungian archetypes the Tavistock Institute created having to do w/Trump. Give good documentation for this if you can and TRY to be succinct. I'm not sure you understand how off-putting it is for someone to try to deal with a mud-against-the-wall approach.
lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.
You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.
lol...it will never stick to your satisfaction. Cough up my billing rate of $200 an hour though...and I might be willing to dedicate a Saturday to it...

...I'm sure Obama hoped he would become King on his watch...but alas it needs to be updated to Trump

Obama might still have plans to be king. I am thinking that one possibility is that if war breaks out in Oct. like I am anticipating, and economic chaos paired with violence ensues, this will cause Trump to declare Martial Law just before the election. When there is no election and we descend into civil war, Obama will somehow rally part of the country and world behind him.

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 2:24 pm**

Sarah wrote: ↑August 21st, 2020, 1:38 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:07 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 7:59 pm
lol...you go first!

...oh I get the mud against the wall. The reality though is that people have to do their own homework...so its just some directions to get started. If they aren't interested...no one can do their homework for them....and its a major time wasting attempt to even try.
You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.
lol...it will never stick to your satisfaction. Cough up my billing rate of $200 an hour though...and I might be willing to dedicate a Saturday to it...

...I'm sure Obama hoped he would become King on his watch...but alas it needs to be updated to Trump
Obama might still have plans to be king. I am thinking that one possibility is that if war breaks out in Oct. like I am anticipating, and economic chaos paired with violence ensues, this will cause Trump to declare Martial Law just before the election. When there is no election and we descend into civil war, Obama will somehow rally part of the country and world behind him.

Obama was just another groomed puppet...

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 2:31 pm**

Joel wrote: ↑November 7th, 2016, 9:20 pm Win or lose I hope Trump and Biden can set up a fight!

Lol this aged well

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 5:22 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑August 21st, 2020, 2:24 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑August 21st, 2020, 1:38 pm
Jason wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:07 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑August 20th, 2020, 8:05 pm
You're the one that threw the Tavistock mud against the wall. Flesh it out and make it stick, if you can.
lol...it will never stick to your satisfaction. Cough up my billing rate of $200 an hour though...and I might be willing to dedicate a Saturday to it...

...I'm sure Obama hoped he would become King on his watch...but alas it needs to be updated to Trump
Obama might still have plans to be king. I am thinking that one possibility is that if war breaks out in Oct. like I am anticipating, and economic chaos paired with violence ensues, this will cause Trump to declare Martial Law just before the election. When there is no election and we descend into civil war, Obama will somehow rally part of the country and world behind him.
Obama was just another groomed puppet...

I agree, but I'm thinking they are not done using him.

Posted: **August 21st, 2020, 9:17 pm**

Posted: **August 23rd, 2020, 5:04 am**

Posted: **August 23rd, 2020, 5:06 am**

Planned Parenthood is a front for a lot of money being funneled into the BLM-AntiFa riots. AntiFa in Boston held a fundraiser for Planned Parenthood. In turn Planned Parenthood donated to BLM.

This is the link for Planned Parenthood's Action Fund. This isn't about abortions. It's about jews accepting donations and funneling that money to domestic terrorist groups.

Planned Parenthood Action Fund

This is the link for Planned Parenthood's Advocacy Fund specifically for Massachusetts so you get an idea of what they do locally.

Black Lives Matter
| Planned Parenthood Advocacy Fund of Massachusetts, Inc.

More money being used to influence the election.

Planned Parenthood, Black Lives Matter Leaders Partner for ‘Women’s New Deal’ Movement

Posted: **August 23rd, 2020, 7:38 pm**

Here's an image of the front page of my latest issue of the Foreign Affairs journal, the premier public journal of our globalist elites, which shows what they think of Trump. They basically see him as fracturing (i.e., destroying) their international system built up using their "Grand Strategy":

Posted: **August 25th, 2020, 6:01 pm**

Posted: **August 30th, 2020, 9:37 pm**

"President Trump and Vice President Pence are promising to put YOU and your family first every single day.

They will create MORE jobs, CUT taxes, and PROTECT American jobs
The Coronavirus will be ERADICATED
America will END its reliance on China and bring back 1 MILLION manufacturing jobs
Insurance premiums will be LOWERED, Social Security and Medicare will be protected, prescription drug prices will be CUT, and preexisting conditions will be covered
School Choice will be provided to EVERY Child in America
They will DRAIN THE SWAMP by passing Congressional term limits
Law enforcement will be fully funded
NO more sanctuary cities, human trafficking networks will be dismantled, and illegal immigrants will be BLOCKED from becoming eligible for taxpayer-funded welfare, healthcare, and free college tuition
They will establish a permanently manned presence on the moon and send the first manned mission to Mars
STOP Endless Wars and bring our troops home"

email from DonaldJTrump.com

Posted: **September 16th, 2020, 9:43 am**

larsenb wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2020, 7:38 pm Here's an image of the front page of my latest issue of the Foreign Affairs journal, the premier public journal of our globalist elites, which shows what they think of Trump. They basically see him as fracturing (i.e., destroying) their international system built up using their "Grand Strategy":

Perhaps...but if you dive into it....destruction is their game.

Have you reconciled with the use of Trump on the Economist (another major globalist rag) covers?

Posted: **September 20th, 2020, 9:23 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 30th, 2020, 9:37 pm "President Trump and Vice President Pence are promising to put YOU and your family first every single day.

They will create MORE jobs, CUT taxes, and PROTECT American jobs
The Coronavirus will be ERADICATED
America will END its reliance on China and bring back 1 MILLION manufacturing jobs
Insurance premiums will be LOWERED, Social Security and Medicare will be protected, prescription drug prices will be CUT, and preexisting conditions will be covered
School Choice will be provided to EVERY Child in America
They will DRAIN THE SWAMP by passing Congressional term limits
Law enforcement will be fully funded
NO more sanctuary cities, human trafficking networks will be dismantled, and illegal immigrants will be BLOCKED from becoming eligible for taxpayer-funded welfare, healthcare, and free college tuition
They will establish a permanently manned presence on the moon and send the first manned mission to Mars
STOP Endless Wars and bring our troops home"

email from DonaldJTrump.com

"They will establish a permanently manned presence on the moon and send the first manned mission to Mars". This sounds VERY far-fetched.

Also, "They will DRAIN THE SWAMP by passing Congressional term limits" is something I agree with but it won't happen: Trump doesn't have the power to set limits. And the congresspeople won't do it to themselves.

Posted: **September 20th, 2020, 9:29 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑September 16th, 2020, 9:43 am
larsenb wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2020, 7:38 pm Here's an image of the front page of my latest issue of the Foreign Affairs journal, the premier public journal of our globalist elites, which shows what they think of Trump. They basically see him as fracturing (i.e., destroying) their international system built up using their "Grand Strategy":
Perhaps...but if you dive into it....destruction is their game.

Have you reconciled with the use of Trump on the Economist (another major globalist rag) covers?

If you read the articles in this issue, they certainly aren't trumpeting Trump as helping their "Grand Strategy" . . . . by his destroying it.

Not sure what you mean by your last question. Maybe you can clarify it.

Posted: **September 20th, 2020, 10:37 pm**

larsenb wrote: ↑September 20th, 2020, 9:29 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 16th, 2020, 9:43 am
larsenb wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2020, 7:38 pm Here's an image of the front page of my latest issue of the Foreign Affairs journal, the premier public journal of our globalist elites, which shows what they think of Trump. They basically see him as fracturing (i.e., destroying) their international system built up using their "Grand Strategy":
Perhaps...but if you dive into it....destruction is their game.

Have you reconciled with the use of Trump on the Economist (another major globalist rag) covers?
If you read the articles in this issue, they certainly aren't trumpeting Trump as helping their "Grand Strategy" . . . . by his destroying it.

Not sure what you mean by your last question. Maybe you can clarify it.

Look into it...”The World in 2019” - The Economist

You ever hear the term “talking your book”???

George Soros is a master at it...so maybe that helps explain why he can sit there at DAVOS and listen to Trump’s pulpit pounder speech (talking his own book)...and yet be an investment partner with Trump and Kushner.

Hoodwinked!!! ...and apologetics for globalists...

Posted: **September 26th, 2020, 4:11 pm**

From email from President Trump:

"I am proud to present to you our next Supreme Court Justice: Amy Coney Barrett.

I promised you that I would appoint a true American Patriot, who has a demonstrated background of upholding the Constitution and our Nation's rule of law, and I could think of no one more qualified or right for the job than Amy Coney Barrett.

Confirming Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court is critical to Making America Great Again. "

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 2:50 am**

Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive to COVID-19 after the President’s close aide also tested positive.

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 3:26 am**

"America’s doomsday planes are in the air following news that the nation’s commander-in-chief, President Donald Trump, has COVID-19.
Two US Navy E-6B Mercury nuclear war command posts were observed in flight this afternoon, one on each coast of the United States. They were initiating the “Take Charge and Move Out” (TACAMO) defence protocol – essentially dispersing the command and communications facilities needed to control the US nuclear arsenal.
These aircraft are activated by the Pentagon when it is deemed necessary to communicate with the US Navy’s secretive nuclear missile submarines, stealth bombers and missile silos.
The move underscores the potential severity of the situation.
The President of the United States is also the commander-in-chief of the nation’s armed forces, including its nuclear forces. The incapacitation of whoever holds this position could be seen as an opportunity by potential belligerents.
COVID-19, which has so far killed 200,000 US citizens, is particularly deadly among older sufferers. President Trump is 74 years old."

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 4:11 am**

"The potential ramifications to this are many: At the very least, Trump will be required to temporarily halt his campaign while he quarantines, and will miss the next two presidential debates, planned for October 7th and 15th. Longer term, should the President exhibit symptoms, under the 25th Amendment he would have the option to transfer power to Mike Pence while he recovers. According to the CDC, a 74-year old man, as Trump is, has a five-times higher risk of being hospitalised by COVID-19 than their current reference group (18-29 year-olds), and is 90 times more likely to die."

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 3:46 pm**

US President Donald Trump has left the White House and is being taken to Walter Reed Medical Centre, a military hospital in Washington D.C.

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 4:13 pm**

Jason wrote: ↑September 20th, 2020, 10:37 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑September 20th, 2020, 9:29 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 16th, 2020, 9:43 am
larsenb wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2020, 7:38 pm Here's an image of the front page of my latest issue of the Foreign Affairs journal, the premier public journal of our globalist elites, which shows what they think of Trump. They basically see him as fracturing (i.e., destroying) their international system built up using their "Grand Strategy":
Perhaps...but if you dive into it....destruction is their game.

Have you reconciled with the use of Trump on the Economist (another major globalist rag) covers?
If you read the articles in this issue, they certainly aren't trumpeting Trump as helping their "Grand Strategy" . . . . by his destroying it.

Not sure what you mean by your last question. Maybe you can clarify it.
Look into it...”The World in 2019” - The Economist

You ever hear the term “talking your book”???

George Soros is a master at it...so maybe that helps explain why he can sit there at DAVOS and listen to Trump’s pulpit pounder speech (talking his own book)...and yet be an investment partner with Trump and Kushner.

Hoodwinked!!! ...and apologetics for globalists...

It would be rather startling if Jason would somehow decide to objectively state his meanings w/out obscure, rather meaningless hints at this and that to include off-the-wall questions, which only he knows the meaning of.

If you look at the last several issues of The Economist, it has several articles outlining how DT is destroying their "world system" and "Grand Strategy", especially their September issue which shows an image on its cover of Trump sitting on top of a world that is being shattered.

Here are a few of the articles in this last issue: "Present at the Disruption: How Trump Unmade U.S. Foreign Policy; The End of American Illusion: Trump and the World as it Is" ; The Democratic Renewal: What It Will Take to Fix U.S. Foreign Policy"; "League of Nationalists; How Trump and Modi Refashioned the U.S.-Indian Relationship"; and the rest of the articles undoubtedly are full of anti-Trump diatribes, even though that may not be their focus.

Trump is hardly the darling of the 'globalist elites'; and I have yet to see good arguments that he is being used by them as a 'stalking horse'.

Posted: **October 2nd, 2020, 5:20 pm**

larsenb wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2020, 4:13 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 20th, 2020, 10:37 pm
larsenb wrote: ↑September 20th, 2020, 9:29 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 16th, 2020, 9:43 am

Perhaps...but if you dive into it....destruction is their game.

Have you reconciled with the use of Trump on the Economist (another major globalist rag) covers?
If you read the articles in this issue, they certainly aren't trumpeting Trump as helping their "Grand Strategy" . . . . by his destroying it.

Not sure what you mean by your last question. Maybe you can clarify it.
Look into it...”The World in 2019” - The Economist

You ever hear the term “talking your book”???

George Soros is a master at it...so maybe that helps explain why he can sit there at DAVOS and listen to Trump’s pulpit pounder speech (talking his own book)...and yet be an investment partner with Trump and Kushner.

Hoodwinked!!! ...and apologetics for globalists...
It would be rather startling if Jason would somehow decide to objectively state his meanings w/out obscure, rather meaningless hints at this and that to include off-the-wall questions, which only he knows the meaning of.

If you look at the last several issues of The Economist, it has several articles outlining how DT is destroying their "world system" and "Grand Strategy", especially their September issue which shows an image on its cover of Trump sitting on top of a world that is being shattered.

Here are a few of the articles in this last issue: "Present at the Disruption: How Trump Unmade U.S. Foreign Policy; The End of American Illusion: Trump and the World as it Is" ; The Democratic Renewal: What It Will Take to Fix U.S. Foreign Policy"; "League of Nationalists; How Trump and Modi Refashioned the U.S.-Indian Relationship"; and the rest of the articles undoubtedly are full of anti-Trump diatribes, even though that may not be their focus.

Trump is hardly the darling of the 'globalist elites'; and I have yet to see good arguments that he is being used by them as a 'stalking horse'.

Then why are they funding him????????????

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