Jesus Married to Mary Magdalene

[BurningSword]

That is why we are fortunate to have further Scriptures to complement, support, and expand on Biblical Scripture.

Only if properly understood through the spirit of truth, many do error in understandings and this is why Christianity has fallen into apostasy and LDS may be most correct but even Joseph smith said himself they are not perfect, but can also error even warned about falling away and becoming too comfortable in Zion and it was with great reason.

[BurningSword]

I ask this the founder of church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints he whom performed miracles and did great things, that few have since done did he ever declare himself that Jesus had a wife, made love to her had children as normal men? If he did not question why for perhaps he knows that Jesus is a bridegroom not yet married but shall be and all redeemed are invited to the wedding supper, as such it would be fulfilled then if required even so. And who is to say sex is even part of Heaven for was it not said by Eve because "If had we not transgressed we would never be with child". If Eden was a higher state and transgression occurred that children may be born is it truly a higher state to produce children by sexual intercourse or could their be a higher mystery to how spirits really come forth into existence from the pool of eternal intelligence. Mans ways are not Gods ways but man provides a vessel for a soul to experience life to learn the knowledge of good and evil and make their choices through the freewill agency they have been given, this does not mean it is the same for how God brings life into intelligences giving them spirit.

It has been said children of men are born in sin, why was the Only Begotten Son of God born by manifestation in spirit within the womb of a pure hearted women named Mary, from moment you are born you are in sin, innocence does not mean you are not born of sin. If you had no sin you would not die for one without sin can not die even so Son of God had to take upon him all sin that he might descended below all, for if he had not he could not enter Death but because he having no sin was taken by Death into Hades it had no true claim to him so after reaching it bottom he ascended through it all and this is why it is said 'The Son of man has descended below them all, are thou greater than He' People have no idea what that statement actually means for it hasn't been properly revealed the sacrifice that atonement actually was. Jesus is called a man of sorrows for a reason, if people think atonement was the crucifixion they are mislead, it was part of it but it was not entirety of it all the book of the world could not contain everything that the Son of God, your Lord and your God did for you.

[Bryan LJ]

If I can show that Christ had children does that put it to rest that He was married? There are prophecies in the Old Testament that are not completely fulfilled yet. Let's look at this prophecy in Isaiah 11:

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Joseph identifies who these people are in Doctrine and Covenants 113:

1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?

2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.

3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

Ok, according to Joseph this "Rod of Jesse " that should come" will have much power. Joseph says that he "should come of the Stem of Jesse" and Isaiah says he is simply "out of the Stem of Jesse" which "Stem" Joseph identifies as Christ. So in other words his lineage was declared. He comes forth out of the Stem of Jesse which is Christ. In other words he has the blood of Jesus running through his veins. So yeah, Jesus had children. Did He live in sin or was He married? I would say married.

Also, most are familiar with the account where Jesus says to Mary after the resurrection, "Touch me not, I have not yet ascended to my Father." Check out the JST version of John 20:

17 Jesus saith unto her, Hold me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father;

In my opinion that is a big change in words. "Hold me not" instead of "touch me not" basically implies that she was probably already touching Him and He is basically saying, "Let go of Me. I need to go. I need to go report to the Father," In modern day English.

[slimjamm]

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... Apostle Orson Hyde repeated his propositions about the marital and parental status of the Son of God in a sermon in the Tabernacle on March 18, 1855. Hyde reasserted that Jesus Christ was the husband of the wedding at Cana, that Mary and Martha, among others, were his wives, and that the Son of God sired children in the flesh... Apostle Hyde addressed the Saints in Great Salt Lake City on December 21, 1856 on a variety of subjects including polygamy, and the marriage and fatherhood of Christ. During his defense of polygamy he affirmed his consistent teaching that the Son was married to Mary and Martha and fathered children in the flesh.

Marital and Parental Status of the Son of God

Apostle Orson Hyde (1835) delivered an address at the October general conference of the Church in 1854 during his term as President of the Quorum of the Twelve. Taking Luke 16:15 for his text, Apostle Hyde set out to speak on the topic of marriage relations. In doing so, he also affirmed the superiority of modern revelation to the Bible in this context. Hyde said,

The words contained in this Bible are merely a history of what is gone by; it was never given to guide the servant of God in the course he should pursue, any more than the words and commandments of God, given to a generation under one set of circumstances, would serve for another generation under another set of circumstances. . . . The Bible is not a sufficient guide; it is only the history of the people who lived 1800 years ago.[9]

Apostle Hyde was a polygamist who taught that Jesus was married to Mary on the basis of the evidence of John 20:8-18.[10] The conversation between the resurrected Son and Mary outside the tomb, according to Hyde, was a conversation like that between a husband and a wife. Hyde pointed to Mary?s use of the term ?Lord? as evidence of their marriage--a common title for husbands. Apostle Hyde said,


When Mary of old came to the sepulchre on the first day of the week, instead of finding Jesus she saw two angels in white, ?And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She said unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord,? or husband, ?and I know not where they have laid him. And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.? Is there not here manifested the affections of a wife. These words speak the kindred ties and sympathies that are common to that relation of husband and wife. Where will you find a family so nearly allied by the ties of common religion? ?Well,? you say, ?that appears rather plausible, but I want a little more evidence, I want you to find where it says the Savior was actually married.?[11]


The Apostle pointed to the marriage ceremony at Cana (John 2:1-12) as evidence that ?the Savior was actually married.? He implied that the marriage of the Savior was a fact partially concealed by translators and councils. He said,

Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, dare allow it to go to t e [sic] world, but the thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do.[12]

Apostle Hyde explicitly asserted that the bridegroom at the wedding of Cana was Jesus Himself in no uncertain terms. According to Hyde, it was necessary for Jesus to marry so he could father children and see them before his death. He remarked,

Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified.[13]

Hyde also argued that the Son had children in the flesh on the basis of Isaiah 53:10, which reads, ?he shall see his seed.? According to the Apostle, the Son could only see his seed if he had children, which he did. Apostle Hyde remarked, ?I shall say here, that before the Savior died, he looked upon his own natural children, as we look upon ours; he saw his seed, and immediately afterwards he was cut off from the earth; but who shall declare his generation?? But, what became of the natural offspring of the Son of God? Hyde claimed,


They had no father to hold them in honorable remembrance; they passed into the shades of obscurity, never to be exposed to mortal eye as the seed of the blessed one. For no doubt had they been exposed to the eye of the world, those infants might have shared the same fate as the children of Jerusalem in the days of Herod, when all the children were ordered to be slain under such an age, with the hopes of slaying the infant Savior. They might have suffered by the hand of the assassin, as the sons of many kings have done who were heirs apparent to the thrones of their fathers.[14]

I declare now through the authority granted to me from the Father from Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ did not perform in life as those of ways of men, nor did he take upon him a wife nor did he engage in what mankind calls Sexual desires, nor did he have any children. For if you had of had the Spirit of truth in you these things I say would not be needed to be said and you would not need to ask me what Authority I have or what source my words come from, but so ye may know in which authority now speaks in a future behold my voice shall shake the earth in it appointed day and the prophecy that I have given unto this very forum will be fulfilled.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

Jesus is the Eternal Father whom will adopt mankind and through Him shall mankind become Children unto God, for his Father is as Him and they are the same even so identical. And the Seed in which it speaks of is the truth that Jesus delivered unto the world for it is said, a seed was sent upon world that those in darkness might receive light the Word of God, so it is from that seed cometh many other seeds and they be called brethen. And the Seed that it speaks of is speaking of the disciples and their work in the Gospel. And prolonging of days is speaking about the resurrection of Christ and the prospering in his hand is speaking of the Millennial kingdom to come, for the pleasure of God is the happiness and salvation of souls and so it is through Christ was it obtained.

I say again that the leadership of the church should not be looked upon as they can not error, that they know everything and that they are always speaking for God, they have their own thoughts as well and even Joseph Smith mentioned this. Learn to discern through the spirit of truth that you do not error in understanding the WORD, and can truly discern by spirit all things and be not mislead by darkness.

So you're saying Christ ignored or just neglected the first commandment given? To multiply and replenish the earth. Our whole lives are patterned (or should be) after that great grand progenitor, Adam or Michael, the Ancient of Days. Even Christ claims, he only did what the Father taught him.

[Bgood]

If I can show that Christ had children does that put it to rest that He was married? There are prophecies in the Old Testament that are not completely fulfilled yet. Let's look at this prophecy in Isaiah 11:

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Joseph identifies who these people are in Doctrine and Covenants 113:

1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?

2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.

3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

Ok, according to Joseph this "Rod of Jesse " that should come" will have much power. Joseph says that he "should come of the Stem of Jesse" and Isaiah says he is simply "out of the Stem of Jesse" which "Stem" Joseph identifies as Christ. So in other words his lineage was declared. He comes forth out of the Stem of Jesse which is Christ. In other words he has the blood of Jesus running through his veins. So yeah, Jesus had children. Did He live in sin or was He married? I would say married.

Also, most are familiar with the account where Jesus says to Mary after the resurrection, "Touch me not, I have not yet ascended to my Father." Check out the JST version of John 20:

17 Jesus saith unto her, Hold me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father;

In my opinion that is a big change in words. "Hold me not" instead of "touch me not" basically implies that she was probably already touching Him and He is basically saying, "Let go of Me. I need to go. I need to go report to the Father," In modern day English.

"Thing to remember is that the Bible we have was filtered through the early Catholic church, and thanks to Augustus celibacy was considered superior over the congress of man and woman and matrimony. Any text that would explicitly describe Jesus' matrimonial relationship with a woman or women would be excluded from the canonized texts we now have as a matter of course. Such texts do exist. Moreover, ancient Jewish/Israelite culture did not look upon celibacy favorably - quite the opposite. Men and women were expected to marry and have children. Marriage was ordained of God and is godly.

That's not to say that the scriptures we do have don't have very tantalizing evidence of Jesus' matrimonial status to two women. The first is here:

Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. Luke 10:38-40.

We have to put aside modern social customs and look at these verses in terms of ancient Jewish culture. What happens in these verses is that two sisters had a disagreement which was brought before a male for arbitration. The one who resolves an issue between women in a private home would be the father... or husband. That is key. It would not have been proper for anyone else to intervene in an intra-familial squabble. These verses are a very strong indicator of Jesus' relationship with Mary and Martha. They came to him because he was the man in charge - he was their husband.

Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. John 11:5

What's interesting about this verse is the Greek word used for love. The Greeks had 4 words for love, each referring to a different type of love. There is eros, which is erotic/passionate love. Storge, which is a love to describe parents feeling for their children. Philia, which applies more to friendship and general close associations. And then there is Agape (ἀγάπη), which is a much deeper love, and is often used in ancient texts to describes the feelings between man and wife. This verse uses Agape. This is not in and of itself complete proof since there are variance in how these words are used, but is a fairly decent indicator of His relationship with Mary and Martha.

Lastly, we have a scene after the resurrection:

Jesus saith unto [Mary], Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20: 15-17

Firstly, it was common in that day for a woman to greet her husband with the term 'master'. Secondly, she made some kind of move to embrace him. For a married woman to touch a man who was not her husband in public (or anywhere else for that matter) was scandalous. That she attempted to touch him immediately after she realized who He was indicates a very instinctive reaction, as a joyful wife might react to being reunited with her beloved husband after a time of separation.

One last point to make that should be obvious to all endowed members is that a man's priesthood is not complete without a proper union with a woman. Godhood is man and woman. It's interesting to note that Jesus' ministry starts with a miracle performed at a wedding. Jesus said he did all things that the Father had done, and the Father is not alone (or childless).

[BurningSword]

So you're saying Christ ignored or just neglected the first commandment given? To multiply and replenish the earth. Our whole lives are patterned (or should be) after that great grand progenitor, Adam or Michael, the Ancient of Days. Even Christ claims, he only did what the Father taught him.

Jesus Christ is the I AM, those commands were given to the children of men so that vessels could be created to allow spirits that are fallen a chance of redemption. You are not Begotten there is only One true Begotten Son, which is basically exactly as His Father. Many will be rejected whom thought themselves worthy in that day, only to later receive forgiveness in later Resurrections. This is due to pride being so great in Zion, that few could actually enter, many will be mislead when Satan comes again from pit and says to man ye can be Gods, he will put it into heart of many that they can be as the Father just as he put it into heart of spirits when fell with many of angels.

Christ saying ye be gods, only means people have potential to create it does not mean they are as God is or can arise to become it. God which is Good, is not something a person obtains overtime but is something which is beyond comprehension of mankind and existed forever. Even so mankind are not true Children of God but spirits awaiting to be adopted as Christ would say to some 'ye be of your Father the Devil' and to others he would call his children even saying 'Daughter' or 'Son' to some. This is because he knew which spirits in those vessels were those found in book of life and those whom will side with Satan not found in it. For adoption goes both ways either into good or evil, God or the Devil it is nature of God to share so it is that based on what a person achieved in glory will determine their access to his infinite knowledge but they will never have entirety of it. It is Satan's agenda to make people see Jesus as them to humanise him and remove his divinity for he lived by higher laws than what was revealed to mankind and achieved more than people even know.

[BurningSword]

If I can show that Christ had children does that put it to rest that He was married? There are prophecies in the Old Testament that are not completely fulfilled yet. Let's look at this prophecy in Isaiah 11:

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Joseph identifies who these people are in Doctrine and Covenants 113:

1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?

2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.

3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

Ok, according to Joseph this "Rod of Jesse " that should come" will have much power. Joseph says that he "should come of the Stem of Jesse" and Isaiah says he is simply "out of the Stem of Jesse" which "Stem" Joseph identifies as Christ. So in other words his lineage was declared. He comes forth out of the Stem of Jesse which is Christ. In other words he has the blood of Jesus running through his veins. So yeah, Jesus had children. Did He live in sin or was He married? I would say married.

Also, most are familiar with the account where Jesus says to Mary after the resurrection, "Touch me not, I have not yet ascended to my Father." Check out the JST version of John 20:

17 Jesus saith unto her, Hold me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father;

In my opinion that is a big change in words. "Hold me not" instead of "touch me not" basically implies that she was probably already touching Him and He is basically saying, "Let go of Me. I need to go. I need to go report to the Father," In modern day English.

"Thing to remember is that the Bible we have was filtered through the early Catholic church, and thanks to Augustus celibacy was considered superior over the congress of man and woman and matrimony. Any text that would explicitly describe Jesus' matrimonial relationship with a woman or women would be excluded from the canonized texts we now have as a matter of course. Such texts do exist. Moreover, ancient Jewish/Israelite culture did not look upon celibacy favorably - quite the opposite. Men and women were expected to marry and have children. Marriage was ordained of God and is godly.

That's not to say that the scriptures we do have don't have very tantalizing evidence of Jesus' matrimonial status to two women. The first is here:

Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house. And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word. But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. Luke 10:38-40.

We have to put aside modern social customs and look at these verses in terms of ancient Jewish culture. What happens in these verses is that two sisters had a disagreement which was brought before a male for arbitration. The one who resolves an issue between women in a private home would be the father... or husband. That is key. It would not have been proper for anyone else to intervene in an intra-familial squabble. These verses are a very strong indicator of Jesus' relationship with Mary and Martha. They came to him because he was the man in charge - he was their husband.

Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus. John 11:5

What's interesting about this verse is the Greek word used for love. The Greeks had 4 words for love, each referring to a different type of love. There is eros, which is erotic/passionate love. Storge, which is a love to describe parents feeling for their children. Philia, which applies more to friendship and general close associations. And then there is Agape (ἀγάπη), which is a much deeper love, and is often used in ancient texts to describes the feelings between man and wife. This verse uses Agape. This is not in and of itself complete proof since there are variance in how these words are used, but is a fairly decent indicator of His relationship with Mary and Martha.

Lastly, we have a scene after the resurrection:

Jesus saith unto [Mary], Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say Master. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20: 15-17

Firstly, it was common in that day for a woman to greet her husband with the term 'master'. Secondly, she made some kind of move to embrace him. For a married woman to touch a man who was not her husband in public (or anywhere else for that matter) was scandalous. That she attempted to touch him immediately after she realized who He was indicates a very instinctive reaction, as a joyful wife might react to being reunited with her beloved husband after a time of separation.

One last point to make that should be obvious to all endowed members is that a man's priesthood is not complete without a proper union with a woman. Godhood is man and woman. It's interesting to note that Jesus' ministry starts with a miracle performed at a wedding. Jesus said he did all things that the Father had done, and the Father is not alone (or childless).

The Stem of Jesse is the bloodline of Joseph and Mary whom are descended from King David line even Abraham, and the one it speaks about is Elias whom is one of the two witnesses which will hold great power. You know Jesus had siblings they continued the bloodline after Jesus Death. The disciples also called Jesus Master even Lord, The women you speak of recognised in spirit Jesus is the Lord the Messiah promised whom is the Almighty God. Jesus was not touched by anyone as such the atoms were vibrating at a higher frequency and touching him could have harmed her, he was in process of ascension.

[BurningSword]

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

It is said Christ will adopt unto himself, and through him the children of men become adopted children unto God.

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

And even so one of Christ disciples addressed him My Lord and my God, and Jesus accepted it. I feel LDS church does not realise whom Jesus actually is and have undermined his divinity even so believing they were in Heaven children of God like he and descended to get body's which is not how things happen. Your body is irrelevant once the soul leaves it, it is but a container for a purpose and matters not as John said "do as ye will to my body for you can not touch my soul".

10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Jesus said this himself that no one was from Heaven but Him. The Heaven he spoke about is not even of this existence the heavens some refer to concerning this universe is not the same. Pre-mortal worlds is were you all came from but you are not children of God directly else you would be pure good as Jesus was. How the church authority's do not know these things astonishes me. I have had it confirmed to me that the doctrines of the church do have error but God leaves it be to see if children of men can discern through the spirit of truth, there is not one church upon earth nor any book upon it that is wholly correct. This is why so many fall away, for it is not wholly correct nor is it complete.

Now I have seen for myself as a son of man in visiting the church even among it members and listening to people and observing their actions, and I have seen the pride that has overtaken the members of the church even it leadership and as such the church shall not be spared the great tribulation but shall be tested with all other Christians, and as such many will fall away and the one whoms endure shall be those whom will be given placement in the Millennial kingdom to come and receive of higher glory's, but those whom fall away into the apostasy they shall receive of the least and shall go through great tribulations before ever see the Kingdom of heaven.

4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

This will be fulfilled and it is because so many in Zion were seen as God as hypocrites even some in positions of leadership throughout it hierarchy.

[slimjamm]

So you're saying Christ ignored or just neglected the first commandment given? To multiply and replenish the earth. Our whole lives are patterned (or should be) after that great grand progenitor, Adam or Michael, the Ancient of Days. Even Christ claims, he only did what the Father taught him.

Jesus Christ is the I AM, those commands were given to the children of men so that vessels could be created to allow spirits that are fallen a chance of redemption. You are not Begotten there is only One true Begotten Son, which is basically exactly as His Father. Many will be rejected whom thought themselves worthy in that day, only to later receive forgiveness in later Resurrections. This is due to pride being so great in Zion, that few could actually enter, many will be mislead when Satan comes again from pit and says to man ye can be Gods, he will put it into heart of many that they can be as the Father just as he put it into heart of spirits when fell with many of angels.

Christ saying ye be gods, only means people have potential to create it does not mean they are as God is or can arise to become it. God which is Good, is not something a person obtains overtime but is something which is beyond comprehension of mankind and existed forever. Even so mankind are not true Children of God but spirits awaiting to be adopted as Christ would say to some 'ye be of your Father the Devil' and to others he would call his children even saying 'Daughter' or 'Son' to some. This is because he knew which spirits in those vessels were those found in book of life and those whom will side with Satan not found in it. For adoption goes both ways either into good or evil, God or the Devil it is nature of God to share so it is that based on what a person achieved in glory will determine their access to his infinite knowledge but they will never have entirety of it. It is Satan's agenda to make people see Jesus as them to humanise him and remove his divinity for he lived by higher laws than what was revealed to mankind and achieved more than people even know.

One of the greatest missions of Christ many miss, is his teaching us who we really are. Just as Christ, line upon line, precept upon precept, learned who he was and his mission in the plan; so too does he try and show us our potential. He worked out his salvation the same as his Father before him. And we too are here working out our salvation in the same pattern. This in no way belittles Christ or takes away any of his divinity. We are the Father's work and glory. We in every sense of the word, are offspring of our Heavenly Father. I'm grateful for the prophet Joseph Smith, in revealing the true nature of God, and in so doing, the true purpose of the plan, and man's potential in that plan. We are of the same species as all the gods, and will have every opportunity to become just like them.

[rewcox]

One of the greatest missions of Christ many miss, is his teaching us who we really are. Just as Christ, line upon line, precept upon precept, learned who he was and his mission in the plan; so too does he try and show us our potential. He worked out his salvation the same as his Father before him. And we too are here working out our salvation in the same pattern. This in no way belittles Christ or takes away any of his divinity. We are the Father's work and glory. We in every sense of the word, are offspring of our Heavenly Father. I'm grateful for the prophet Joseph Smith, in revealing the true nature of God, and in so doing, the true purpose of the plan, and man's potential in that plan. We are of the same species as all the gods, and will have every opportunity to become just like them.

Well said.

[Bgood]

Joseph Fielding Smith apparently believed that Jesus had been married, and that He had children. In a 1963 letter to Elder Smith (then President of the Quorum of the Twelve), J. Ricks Smith asked for clarification on a question he had concerning the marital and paternal status of Jesus:

Burbank, California
March 17, 1963

President Joseph Fielding Smith
47 East South Temple Street
Salt Lake City 11, Utah

Dear President Smith:

In a discussion recently, the question arose, "Was Christ married?" The
quote of Isaiah 53:10 was given, which reads,

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put Him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul and offering for sin, he shall see
His seed, he shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord
shall prosper in his hand.

What is meant by "he shall see his seed"? Does this mean that Christ had
children?

In the Temple ceremony we are told that only through Temple marriage can
we receive the highest degree of exaltation and dwell in the presence of
our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Christ came here to set us the
example and, therefore, we believe that he must have been married. Are we
right?

Sincerely,

J. Ricks Smith
1736 N. Ontario Street
Burbank, California

In a written response (on the same letter), Elder Smith indicated his feelings on the matter—both in the positive. Placing an asterisk next to the words "His seed" in the letter, at the bottom of the letter Elder Smith wrote:

*Mosiah 15:10-12 Please Read Your Book of Mormon!

Placing two asterisks next to the words "he must have been married," at the bottom of the letter Elder Smith wrote:

**Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!

Apparently Elder Smith believed that the married state of Jesus was true, but that it should not be preached to others.
Official doctrine?

Even though several leaders have expressed positive opinions on the subject, there has never been any revelation or official statement on the subject on behalf of the Church.

Dale Bills, a spokesman for the Church, said in a statement released Tuesday, 16 May 2006:

The belief that Christ was married has never been official church doctrine. It is neither sanctioned nor taught by the church. While it is true that a few church leaders in the mid-1800s expressed their opinions on the matter, it was not then, and is not now, church doctrine.[2]

The Church does not take an official position on this issue

Main articles: Fallibility of prophets and Does LDS doctrine change?

This is one of many issues about which the Church has no official position. As President J. Reuben Clark taught under assignment from the First Presidency:

Here we must have in mind—must know—that only the President of the Church, the Presiding High Priest, is sustained as Prophet, Seer, and Revelator for the Church, and he alone has the right to receive revelations for the Church, either new or amendatory, or to give authoritative interpretations of scriptures that shall be binding on the Church....

When any man, except the President of the Church, undertakes to proclaim one unsettled doctrine, as among two or more doctrines in dispute, as the settled doctrine of the Church, we may know that he is not "moved upon by the Holy Ghost," unless he is acting under the direction and by the authority of the President

[inho]

Joseph Fielding Smith apparently believed that Jesus had been married, and that He had children. In a 1963 letter to Elder Smith (then President of the Quorum of the Twelve), J. Ricks Smith asked for clarification on a question he had concerning the marital and paternal status of Jesus:

...

*Mosiah 15:10-12 Please Read Your Book of Mormon!

Mosiah 15:10-12

10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.

12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

Based on this, I'm not sure if Joseph Fielding Smith believed that Jesus had children.

[Bgood]

Darren Quote: Bruce Wydner is a great source for this information as he is uniquely qualified with his study in the dozen or so languages, ancient and modern, that he works with, a multi-talanted historian who has studied words on levels that others cannot.

Bruce Wydner rejects the notion that Jesus had any children or that he was married. This is not because of the ample evidence but because he himself did not get married until he was into his 40s, having 5 children after that, and he relates his experience into that of Jesus having a similar focus on his calling in life, that would have kept him unavailable for marriage.

I on the other hand, I have dug into Bruce Wydner's research and I clearly see evidence of Jesus' marriage and children, I have found at least 3 Nordic names that I believe belong to his children, as well as the Nordic names for one of his wives and the Nordic name for his mother. As just about every scholar knows the name Mary did not exist at the time of Jesus, nor did the name Jesus exist for that matter, Jesus is a Greek alteration of the Hebrew name for that which we in English use "Joshua."

Now I may have some things wrong but here it goes...

Jesus' oldest son is named Yngvi-Freyr, shortened to sound like “Ing,” Yng became one of the first Patriarch/Kings of the Swedish people, and Yng is where we get Eng for the English People. The Queen of England claims to be a decedent of Yng. Joseph Smith, Jr. is also a decedent of Yng. Yng was raised by his uncle "Njord," Jesus' brother-in-law and king in the "North," in an Israelite settlement on the north shore of the Black Sea, with the Israelite people who called themselves the Wayne People.

According to the Icelandic Sagas, when Jesus brought most of the Church in Jerusalem up to the north shore of the Black Sea where the Don River connects, Njord and Freyr were living with the people there, he took Njord and Freyr, changed Freyr’s name to Yng and put them into the 12 apostles of the Church.

Yng’s father is Jesus Christ, his foster father is Njord. Yng’s grandmother is Frigg, in Jerusalem Frigg’s name was the Hebrew for Miriam and Yng’s mother, and a wife of Jesus Christ is Freya, Both of these women were named the same in Jerusalem, the Nordics made some distinction, but it is from the name of Jesus Christ’s mother that we get the English word Free.

The “Holy Grail” are the decedents of Jesus Christ through Yng, who are the Patriarchal bloodline and kings of Sweden.

The Books that Bruce Wydner has authored contain all this information.

God Bless,
Darren

[rewcox]

Darren Quote: Bruce Wydner is a great source for this information as he is uniquely qualified with his study in the dozen or so languages, ancient and modern, that he works with, a multi-talanted historian who has studied words on levels that others cannot.

Bruce Wydner rejects the notion that Jesus had any children or that he was married. This is not because of the ample evidence but because he himself did not get married until he was into his 40s, having 5 children after that, and he relates his experience into that of Jesus having a similar focus on his calling in life, that would have kept him unavailable for marriage.

I on the other hand, I have dug into Bruce Wydner's research and I clearly see evidence of Jesus' marriage and children, I have found at least 3 Nordic names that I believe belong to his children, as well as the Nordic names for one of his wives and the Nordic name for his mother. As just about every scholar knows the name Mary did not exist at the time of Jesus, nor did the name Jesus exist for that matter, Jesus is a Greek alteration of the Hebrew name for that which we in English use "Joshua."

Now I may have some things wrong but here it goes...

Jesus' oldest son is named Yngvi-Freyr, shortened to sound like “Ing,” Yng became one of the first Patriarch/Kings of the Swedish people, and Yng is where we get Eng for the English People. The Queen of England claims to be a decedent of Yng. Joseph Smith, Jr. is also a decedent of Yng. Yng was raised by his uncle "Njord," Jesus' brother-in-law and king in the "North," in an Israelite settlement on the north shore of the Black Sea, with the Israelite people who called themselves the Wayne People.

According to the Icelandic Sagas, when Jesus brought most of the Church in Jerusalem up to the north shore of the Black Sea where the Don River connects, Njord and Freyr were living with the people there, he took Njord and Freyr, changed Freyr’s name to Yng and put them into the 12 apostles of the Church.

Yng’s father is Jesus Christ, his foster father is Njord. Yng’s grandmother is Frigg, in Jerusalem Frigg’s name was the Hebrew for Miriam and Yng’s mother, and a wife of Jesus Christ is Freya, Both of these women were named the same in Jerusalem, the Nordics made some distinction, but it is from the name of Jesus Christ’s mother that we get the English word Free.

The “Holy Grail” are the decedents of Jesus Christ through Yng, who are the Patriarchal bloodline and kings of Sweden.

The Books that Bruce Wydner has authored contain all this information.

God Bless,
Darren

If you are saying YNG is a descendant of Christ, would he not be of the tribe of Judah?

[BurningSword]

So you're saying Christ ignored or just neglected the first commandment given? To multiply and replenish the earth. Our whole lives are patterned (or should be) after that great grand progenitor, Adam or Michael, the Ancient of Days. Even Christ claims, he only did what the Father taught him.

Jesus Christ is the I AM, those commands were given to the children of men so that vessels could be created to allow spirits that are fallen a chance of redemption. You are not Begotten there is only One true Begotten Son, which is basically exactly as His Father. Many will be rejected whom thought themselves worthy in that day, only to later receive forgiveness in later Resurrections. This is due to pride being so great in Zion, that few could actually enter, many will be mislead when Satan comes again from pit and says to man ye can be Gods, he will put it into heart of many that they can be as the Father just as he put it into heart of spirits when fell with many of angels.

Christ saying ye be gods, only means people have potential to create it does not mean they are as God is or can arise to become it. God which is Good, is not something a person obtains overtime but is something which is beyond comprehension of mankind and existed forever. Even so mankind are not true Children of God but spirits awaiting to be adopted as Christ would say to some 'ye be of your Father the Devil' and to others he would call his children even saying 'Daughter' or 'Son' to some. This is because he knew which spirits in those vessels were those found in book of life and those whom will side with Satan not found in it. For adoption goes both ways either into good or evil, God or the Devil it is nature of God to share so it is that based on what a person achieved in glory will determine their access to his infinite knowledge but they will never have entirety of it. It is Satan's agenda to make people see Jesus as them to humanise him and remove his divinity for he lived by higher laws than what was revealed to mankind and achieved more than people even know.

One of the greatest missions of Christ many miss, is his teaching us who we really are. Just as Christ, line upon line, precept upon precept, learned who he was and his mission in the plan; so too does he try and show us our potential. He worked out his salvation the same as his Father before him. And we too are here working out our salvation in the same pattern. This in no way belittles Christ or takes away any of his divinity. We are the Father's work and glory. We in every sense of the word, are offspring of our Heavenly Father. I'm grateful for the prophet Joseph Smith, in revealing the true nature of God, and in so doing, the true purpose of the plan, and man's potential in that plan. We are of the same species as all the gods, and will have every opportunity to become just like them.

Technically you are not true offspring, but are spirits which were organised from the pool of eternal intelligence. If you were true offspring you would be without sin and would have made better choices in life, even understanding greater things through spirit and be called of God good, but God calls the children of men 'evil knowing how to give good gifts', but calls his Son good and his Son says only God is good. The children of the morning star are not same as ye they are much older and it does not mean that Jesus being the first was a created being, he always was in the Bosom of the Father. The morning star is a mystery and why Lucifer was called it and Christ will not be revealed to mankind until the Millennial, you should not underestimate this process you are in now, as it is possible to be adopted by Devil or God. That is why Christ said to strive that ye may be found worthy to enter through the straight and narrow gate. I feel people have altered things said and changed meanings to better suit themselves, I declare that only the Son was from Heaven, pre-mortal existence is not Heaven nor does it mean the intelligences which are organised into spirit are direct Children of God, they can be called children of God and at times even some true children of the morning star can incarnate with purposes, but most spirits are in process of being given a chance of redemption from bad choices they have made, that is why the scriptures say Adopted Sons and Daughters unto God.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Now these are but some examples of scripture even from Jesus Christ and even I have had it confirmed and I have indeed spoken directly to the Father and Angels and was sent unto the LDS that they may be blessed and as such became a member even knowing doctrines I have heard spoken do error even if close to truth that it baptism may be justified, for even Joseph Smith had error and admitted so and much was lost of manuscripts because of it. Now he whom deny the truth is heeding unto lies, for it is clear mankind are children of God through adoption of Jesus Christ they did not begin as children of God and can also become children of the Devil if they so choose evil and unrighteousness. If thou knew what authority I speak through and what source I have come from ye would heed mine words even if it was not same as those ye idolise in authority's ye call Apostles and Prophets. But I say you do not nor would believe in which authority I do hold or reason why I am upon the world at this time speaking to children of men about mystery's of this creation.

[BurningSword]

Joseph Fielding Smith apparently believed that Jesus had been married, and that He had children. In a 1963 letter to Elder Smith (then President of the Quorum of the Twelve), J. Ricks Smith asked for clarification on a question he had concerning the marital and paternal status of Jesus:

...

*Mosiah 15:10-12 Please Read Your Book of Mormon!

Mosiah 15:10-12

10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.

12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

Based on this, I'm not sure if Joseph Fielding Smith believed that Jesus had children.

Indeed, for the seed is WORD of God and all whom have embraced it through the blessing of Abrahams Covenant and atonement of Jesus Christ become adopted children unto God even so their Father Jesus Christ. And this is same reason I have said to learn to discern through the spirit of truth or you will error for scripture can mean something different than it says or it can be just as it says only way to know is through the spirit of truth. Now I will declare unto all listening I have access to more knowledge than any of leadership of church, but that they are still seen of God as trying to do good and shall not lose their reward but will go through things they need too in order to be justified. For as the Church is now it is not as the Son of God wished it to be for much is missing but it is suffered to be so for now but a greater restoration will come.

[Bgood]

Joseph Fielding Smith apparently believed that Jesus had been married, and that He had children. In a 1963 letter to Elder Smith (then President of the Quorum of the Twelve), J. Ricks Smith asked for clarification on a question he had concerning the marital and paternal status of Jesus:

...

*Mosiah 15:10-12 Please Read Your Book of Mormon!

Mosiah 15:10-12

10 And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

11 Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord—I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are the heirs of the kingdom of God.

12 For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

All who accept the Savior's atonement and are willing to covenant with him henceforth to keep his commandments by an act of baptism are accounted his seed. He becomes the spiritual Father of all those who hearken unto the words of his PROPHETS, believe in his work of redemption, and earnestly seek for his forgiveness, "For these are they whose sins he has borne; and these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

Based on this, I'm not sure if Joseph Fielding Smith believed that Jesus had children.

Abinadi has no doubt stumped King Noah and his priests with his question, above, as to Isaiah meant when he referred to Christ's seed. Having their full, he now answers his own question. Watch carefully as he defines the Savior's as those who believe in Christ, who live the gospel, and who ultimately attain exaltation in the celestial kingdom.

[Bgood]

Darren Quote: Bruce Wydner is a great source for this information as he is uniquely qualified with his study in the dozen or so languages, ancient and modern, that he works with, a multi-talanted historian who has studied words on levels that others cannot.

Bruce Wydner rejects the notion that Jesus had any children or that he was married. This is not because of the ample evidence but because he himself did not get married until he was into his 40s, having 5 children after that, and he relates his experience into that of Jesus having a similar focus on his calling in life, that would have kept him unavailable for marriage.

I on the other hand, I have dug into Bruce Wydner's research and I clearly see evidence of Jesus' marriage and children, I have found at least 3 Nordic names that I believe belong to his children, as well as the Nordic names for one of his wives and the Nordic name for his mother. As just about every scholar knows the name Mary did not exist at the time of Jesus, nor did the name Jesus exist for that matter, Jesus is a Greek alteration of the Hebrew name for that which we in English use "Joshua."

Now I may have some things wrong but here it goes...

Jesus' oldest son is named Yngvi-Freyr, shortened to sound like “Ing,” Yng became one of the first Patriarch/Kings of the Swedish people, and Yng is where we get Eng for the English People. The Queen of England claims to be a decedent of Yng. Joseph Smith, Jr. is also a decedent of Yng. Yng was raised by his uncle "Njord," Jesus' brother-in-law and king in the "North," in an Israelite settlement on the north shore of the Black Sea, with the Israelite people who called themselves the Wayne People.

According to the Icelandic Sagas, when Jesus brought most of the Church in Jerusalem up to the north shore of the Black Sea where the Don River connects, Njord and Freyr were living with the people there, he took Njord and Freyr, changed Freyr’s name to Yng and put them into the 12 apostles of the Church.

Yng’s father is Jesus Christ, his foster father is Njord. Yng’s grandmother is Frigg, in Jerusalem Frigg’s name was the Hebrew for Miriam and Yng’s mother, and a wife of Jesus Christ is Freya, Both of these women were named the same in Jerusalem, the Nordics made some distinction, but it is from the name of Jesus Christ’s mother that we get the English word Free.

The “Holy Grail” are the decedents of Jesus Christ through Yng, who are the Patriarchal bloodline and kings of Sweden.

The Books that Bruce Wydner has authored contain all this information.

God Bless,
Darren

If you are saying YNG is a descendant of Christ, would he not be of the tribe of Judah?

Yes.

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avatarHeirofNumenor Quote: May I suggest to look towards Glastonbury, England?

Among the British Israel movement, English tradition and Vatican historians - some hold the view that the Jews drove several of the Lord's family/inner circle away in 36 AD - they tried to kill some by casting them adrift on the Mediterranean without or or sail... through divine providence they drifted to and landed at Marseillies, France - where they traveled north up the Rhone river to Switzerland, hen contied down the Rhine until they crossed the North Sea/English Channel, and created/joined a group of Israelites at Glastonbury...

Those mentioned as part of these outcasts are:
Joseph of Arimethea (whom the locals in England seemed to know as being a tin merchant)
Mary, mother of Jesus (died there in 48 AD- all the apostles are said to have met there for her funeral, and Christ then appeared there)
Mary's cousin Anna (Joseph of A.'s daughter. - she is said to have married the royal Briton line, whom which comes the house of Tudor).
Lazarus, and his sisters Mary & Martha (wives of Jesus)
Mary Magdalene ( a wife of Jesus)
Marcella - a maid to Lazarus' sisters (a daughter of theirs & Jesus?)
Maximin - a disciple (a son?)

I do not believe this list is complete.... it is highly likely that if Joseph step-father of Jesus died before Jesus was a full adult, then Joseph of A. took his grand-nephew Jesus with him on his trips to England and elsewhere, where those descendants Abraham (who left Moses during the Exodus, Troy during the Judges, Israel during David/Solomon's times, 10 Tribes after Assyria, etc.) where those people would have quite possibly have been receptive to the Messiah....it is quite possible that after the Resurrection, the Lord moved his family to a safe zone - far away from Jerusalem, Glastonbury, Cornwall, & Wales then untouched by the Romans. Christ is also said to have appeared at Glastonbury in 37 AD - and did much the same as He did for the Nephites, the Hawaiians/Polynesians, and the Scandinavians...
Glastonbury is also supposed to be the mystical isle of Avalon of King Arthur fame (a hill surrounded by a marsh in 450-500 AD).

Despite the persecution against the Christian Britons ordered by Emperor Diocletian in the late 200's AD, something of their heritage (and linage?) survived and took deep root... and surfaced when the LDS apostles arrived in North-Western England in the late 1830's....

A couple of great books that touch on this subject are:

"Whence Came They: Israel, Britain, and the Restoration" by Vaughn E. Hansen, Ph.D. (Springville, Utah: Cedar Fort, 1993)
"The House of Israel", by E.L. Whitehead (publ. 1947) (out of print).

[Elizabeth]

Thanks for quoting Darren and Heir Of Numenor. They are two posters it would be nice to hear more from

[A Random Phrase]

So you're saying Christ ignored or just neglected the first commandment given? To multiply and replenish the earth. Our whole lives are patterned (or should be) after that great grand progenitor, Adam or Michael, the Ancient of Days. Even Christ claims, he only did what the Father taught him.

This may have been mentioned in one of those million tl;dr posts, but Jesus was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. Why would He do that, yet refuse to get married? If He was obedient to all of God's commandments, He had to have been obedient to the first one.

He was perfect. He was perfectly obedient. The Jews were willing to consider Him a rabbi. Unmarried men were not allowed to be rabbis - that would have been thrown up in His face along with the other stuff (not keeping the sabbath day holy, for example).

[Mormon Suicide]

Scholarly articles recently released concerning the Gospel of Jesus Wife

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[Matchmaker]

I am not sure that Jesus married anyone in this life.

I just read in the "Teachings of the Presidents" manual (Gordon B. Hinckley) on page 129, in reference to Jesus, that, "He walked the dusty roads of Palestine. He had no home that he could call his own, no place to rest his head."

If Jesus had been married with a family of his own, he would have had a home and a place to rest his head.

[braingrunt]

On the one hand, it seems to me for various reasons that Jesus might have been and probably should have
been married. On the other hand, given his travel literary, and his primary concern with his mother at the time of his death, that his status as a perfect husband or father would be hard for me to comprehend.

[braingrunt]

On the other hand, some of the disciples including Peter, were definitely married, and they wandered around a lot too.

[kittycat51]

I always find it interesting though that of all the people Jesus could have shown himself to first (Like Peter who would become Prophet or even John the BELOVED) it was Mary. If you were in the same situation wouldn't you choose a loved one...as in spouse? As stated in John 20:17 Jesus hadn't even presented himself to the Father yet. "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

I would say that is PRETTY special and significant for Mary.

Happy Easter everyone!