♡ Return to the "United Order", aka, "Fullness of the Gospel", anyone up for? ♡

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DON"T BRING ME DOWN.....PLEASE

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freedomforall wrote:

Enjoyed the "deck of cards" post, that was a good one freedomforall.♡

New way to look upon a simple, deck of cards.♡

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It would be good to finally have the greater things written upon the plates of Nephi, which the LORD taught the people, which Mormon was forbidden to write, but Jesus Christ said we must first be tried of these lesser things, that Mormon was allowed to write.♡

(See 3rd Nephi 26:6-11)♡

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Equal and as one, most precious unto the LORD.♡

(See Jacob 5:47-74)♡

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Some desire this, some do not, time will tell.♡

John 1:5 (light)

John 3:20 (light)

John 8:12 (light)

John 8:17 2 witnesses, stick of Judah and Joseph (All things common)

John 12:35 & 46 (light)

Ephesians 5:5-17 (light)

Luke 12:34-37 (lights)

Isaiah 2:5 (light)

Isaiah 58:8-10 (light)

Isaiah 60:19 (light)

And many other examples of light seek out and be like unto.♡

Good to seek this "United Order" full of celestial light to show others the way to become Christ like in ways that manifests goodwill and love for one another.♡

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By freewill.♡

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Who decides, group decision or individuals calling upon a group decision to be made?

Which comes first according to that which is written, a cry from individuals, or a cry from the group?

How is ear to be given?

Good to know, that which is written, for the call from God, has already been made, and delivered into a book, called the "One Stick" which has been delivered into the hands of Ephraim.

Decisions, decisions to be made, in the House of Ephraim, whom to hearken unto, the wind of men, or the voice of God?

Wisdom, yes, "Where is the wisdom?"♡

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If you are and elder in the House of Ephraim, good to manifest great wisdom, and understanding and righteousness, and the goodness and justice of "equity".♡

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O Ephraim remember Shiloh, and repeat not mistakes of the past, but seek wisdom and understanding and knowledge, and return to take the honor, calling and election to lay the foundation of Zion, and set up the tower of "All things common", "Equal in your temporal things", for homes and land, as well as just food and raiment, as God has commanded.♡

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Pending a desire among the people and the leaders to not be as salt without savor.......................♡

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"All things in common", still pending.....................♡

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I once was told by a person that referred to "we" as their authority. Come to find out that one of the "we's" was nothing more than a mouse in his pocket. 8-|

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freedomforall,
What a wonderful thought "Freedom for all."

Love the use of the word "we" as used in the very last sentence of, The Declaration of Independance, July 4, 1776--------

"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence,

"we"

mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

What do you know, it almost sounds like the "Spirit" of "All things common" a "United Order" of people declaring, of their own freewill, with a firm reliance upon God, to be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly, with freedom for all. ♡

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The New World Order wants all people to be equal....................as slaves under tyranny rule. Right now the government takes from the "haves" and gives it to the "have nots". One example is Obamacare. Where does government get their money anyway...you got it from tax payers.
I think we better get more excited about getting out from under future tyranny than in trying to get God to pass out houses. Whether you like it or not, all people in the church being equal under a communistic government sure doesn't gain us much, now does it?
It is better for us to take off our blinders and truly see what is going on around us. It ain't pretty. Besides give a house and land to someone and they still have to pay taxes on them called RENT. When man can own the land their home sits on then we'll talk.

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The right of taxation is given in the U.S. constitution. By the people, for the people, by freewill vote of people you wish to represent you in congress.

You dont like taxation of your property, amend the laws to where property is not taxed.

You don't like God's law, take it up with him, the law of Moses collected from the offerings of the haves, and distributed to the have nots.

The distribution that Peter and the Twelve with him had, took from the haves by consecrations, and distribution was made unto the have nots.

It is the freeeill choice of the people of God, to take in consecrations from the haves, and distribute to the have nots.

You have a problem with his law, you may always take it up with God.

Or you can see eye to eye, as to why, he would command to take from the rich by freewill offerings, and distribute to the poor, for homes and land food and raiment.

And be happy and be glad you are seeking to help him, and not fight against him, and his will for his people.♡

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Robert Sinclair wrote:The right of taxation is given in the U.S. constitution. By the people, for the people, by freewill vote of people you wish to represent you in congress.

You dont like taxation of your property, amend the laws to where property is not taxed.

You don't like God's law, take it up with him, the law of Moses collected from the offerings of the haves, and distributed to the have nots.

The distribution that Peter and the Twelve with him had, took from the haves by consecrations, and distribution was made unto the have nots.

It is the freeeill choice of the people of God, to take in consecrations from the haves, and distribute to the have nots.

You have a problem with his law, you may always take it up with God.

Or you can see eye to eye, as to why, he would command to take from the rich by freewill offerings, and distribute to the poor, for homes and land food and raiment.

And be happy and be glad you are seeking to help him, and not fight against him, and his will for his people.♡
Say, what? Let me expound a little. Let's see. Ah, did I mention that we cannot have everyone equal in today's world? That we would still be under a tyrannical and wicked government making the notion of complete equality impossible? I'm not in to telling God what to do with His money. In fact, what do we really own? What will you be able to take with you when you die? So everything equal is not in the cards. Everything is God's property, everything. We cannot and do not have any right to tell him how to use his property and money...it's all his. His ways are not our ways, nor his thoughts our thoughts.
Being equal in all things if for living the United Order, where we are already living it; it is for a righteous people. God has the say so, not us.

Carry on.

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The written word has said that this equality is that all have sufficient for their wants and needs that are just for homes and lands, food and raiment.

This does not mean everyone will have the same exact size of home and land as some with ten or more children will have different needs and wants, than one single person might need. Or one couple who truly only want a condo, with no yardwork to do, verses one who has cattle or sheep, or turkeys or any multitude of animals or crops or vineyards, they raise for a living, verses one who has no desire for those things, but just wishes for a small yard, as they work in a factory job or office, and desire to just have a small garden and flower bed, and lawn to care for at home, each and every single one according to their wants and needs, which vary from person to person, to have them be justly happy, in a godly walk and conversation, of peace and goodwill, one towards another among saints.

Self sufficient according to their needs and wants and talents and desires that are just, which the bishops help to them, to accomplish, person by person, family by family.

It is all God's property and he has had written to impart unto all their inheritances of stewardships, according to their wants and needs, by covenants and deeds that cannot be broken, so I would hope you would seek to help with this command, and not to fight against it, saying God's will is impossible to accomplish, in this world, for it is possible with faith in him, that he will open the way for these things to be done.

And the written word, is that after this first consecration, where all have sufficient for their wants and needs that are just, then the residue, yes the residue, yes, that is right the "residue" is to be placed into the storehouse, for additional poor who may join the church, and for buildings of worship, and lands for public benefit of the members, and other expenses needed to run the church.

This is his way and his thoughts, are you ready to do this his will for his children and to help with this, or do you prefer the work of those who reject this, and instead build temples first, and put the money out to the exchangers first, instead of setting up this tower and ensign and light, of "all things common" "equal in their temporal things" each according to their wants and needs that are just?

The scriptures must needs be fullfilled, some need to pervert all equity, to fullfill that part of the scriptures, some need to acknowledge this offence, and seek to establish equity and righteousness, and to lay down the foundation of "all things common" among them.

Decisions, decisions to be made to manifest those who desire to do "all" the things God has said to do, and be "all" the ways he has said to be, and to know "all" the things he has said to know, and others, to not do all these things, and not be all those ways, and not know all those things, leading the people into captivity as it is so written.

The truth of all these things, will be manifested fully at the judgement bar of Christ.♡

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To say we cannot have everyone equal in todays world is understood with so many different religions and beliefs, but among those who belong to the church of the living God, this is a requirement, none are to be exempt from.

This is the law and foundation to be laid, for "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" as a tower, and an ensign, and a light, of the fullness of the gospel set up upon the earth once more, this honor, and calling and election given unto the House of Ephraim, but if they refuse and rebel, they may once again suffer their fate as was in Shiloh, the whole seed of Ephraim, cast out.

Not a good thing to repeat, but to learn from this mistake, and not do it again, and again. Google "the destruction of Shiloh of Ephraim", read all the different posts, come to understand what happened to the tabernacle and the Ark if the Covenant, once before.

Think you are exempt from the law of God?

O be wise O House of Ephraim and learn from past mistakes, acknowlede your offence, against being equal in your temporal things, and this not grudgingly, yes against having "all things common" among you as in the first church set up by distribution of Peter of the House of Judah, as the first Twelve chosen of Jesus Christ, and of the second Twelve of the Nephites chosen of Jesus Christ, who set up "all things common" among them, of the House of Manasseh, and now a third witness sought of Ephraim, of the appointed and annointed and chosen servants of the LORD of this House of Ephraim, honored and called and elected to do the same as the House of Judah, and the House of Manasseh, setting up "all things common" among them, as a tower and a light, and a standard, as an ensign, that this signature sign, is present, of "all things common" in the true church of Jesus Christ.

Read the parable given in D&C 101, of those servants that put the money out to the exchangers, rather than setting up the tower, as they ought to have done, and how these watchmen shall be scattered

Do you wish to close your eyes to the things of the LORD, and be one of those whom a deep sleep has fallen upon?

Or do you wish to awaken to these things and sound the alarm, in hopes of awakening the men who have put out the money to the exchangers, that they might be ashamed, as is written in the Book of Joel, and as is written of the great gift of "if" offered of the Father of 3rd Nephi 16:13 and fullfill Hosea 14:8.

Come to understand the dealings of God, with the House of Ephraim, and close not your eyes to all of these things, given as types and shadows, for Ephraim, Shiloh, as also Hosea having been commanded to marry a wife of whoredoms as a sign for Ephraim, and many, many other witnesses given for this house of the lofty, and the vain, and the silly doves and unwise sons, that feedeth on the mighty oratories of the wind, and precepts of man, far, far away, their hearts, from the things of God.

Awaken this house, sound the alarm, and blow the trumpet in Zion, that it not be utterly destroyed, and plowed as a field, but that we become as a remnant, the humble followers of Christ, and are spared a little bit longer, to prepare to meet God, by returning to keep the "United Order" instructions, given of the Spirit of truth, to Joseph Smith so many years ago rejected.

Yes, let us return and seek to see, the face of the LORD together.♡

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Robert Sinclair wrote:To say we cannot have everyone equal in todays world is understood with so many different religions and beliefs, but among those who belong to the church of the living God, this is a requirement, none are to be exempt from.

This is the law and foundation to be laid, for "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" as a tower, and an ensign, and a light, of the fullness of the gospel set up upon the earth once more, this honor, and calling and election given unto the House of Ephraim, but if they refuse and rebel, they may once again suffer their fate as was in Shiloh, the whole seed of Ephraim, cast out.

Not a good thing to repeat, but to learn from this mistake, and not do it again, and again. Google "the destruction of Shiloh of Ephraim", read all the different posts, come to understand what happened to the tabernacle and the Ark if the Covenant, once before.

Think you are exempt from the law of God? I give of my substance, so you answer the question.

O be wise O House of Ephraim and learn from past mistakes, acknowlede your offence, against being equal in your temporal things, and this not grudgingly, yes against having "all things common" among you as in the first church set up by distribution of Peter of the House of Judah, as the first Twelve chosen of Jesus Christ, and of the second Twelve of the Nephites chosen of Jesus Christ, who set up "all things common" among them, of the House of Manasseh, and now a third witness sought of Ephraim, of the appointed and annointed and chosen servants of the LORD of this House of Ephraim, honored and called and elected to do the same as the House of Judah, and the House of Manasseh, setting up "all things common" among them, as a tower and a light, and a standard, as an ensign, that this signature sign, is present, of "all things common" in the true church of Jesus Christ.

Read the parable given in D&C 101, of those servants that put the money out to the exchangers, rather than setting up the tower, as they ought to have done, and how these watchmen shall be scattered

Do you wish to close your eyes to the things of the LORD, and be one of those whom a deep sleep has fallen upon?

Or do you wish to awaken to these things and sound the alarm, in hopes of awakening the men who have put out the money to the exchangers, that they might be ashamed, as is written in the Book of Joel, and as is written of the great gift of "if" offered of the Father of 3rd Nephi 16:13 and fullfill Hosea 14:8.

Come to understand the dealings of God, with the House of Ephraim, and close not your eyes to all of these things, given as types and shadows, for Ephraim, Shiloh, as also Hosea having been commanded to marry a wife of whoredoms as a sign for Ephraim, and many, many other witnesses given for this house of the lofty, and the vain, and the silly doves and unwise sons, that feedeth on the mighty oratories of the wind, and precepts of man, far, far away, their hearts, from the things of God.

Awaken this house, sound the alarm, and blow the trumpet in Zion, that it not be utterly destroyed, and plowed as a field, but that we become as a remnant, the humble followers of Christ, and are spared a little bit longer, to prepare to meet God, by returning to keep the "United Order" instructions, given of the Spirit of truth, to Joseph Smith so many years ago rejected.

Yes, let us return and seek to see, the face of the LORD together.♡

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I am under the law, and in no way shape or form, exempt from this law who belong to the church of the living God--

"Be equal in your temporal things and this not grudgingly."

"All things common among you."

By our own freewill, that, freefom for all, might ring loud and clear, across the lands of promise.♡

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This "United Order" of seeing everyone is imparted stewardships, sufficient for the support of themselves and their families, is a tower, and ensign, and light, and a sign, to all the nations of this earth, that all the members of the true church of Jesus Christ, have this in common, home and land, before they build buildings of worship, or public works projects with the "residue" of their consecrated storehouse assets of the LORD, keeping his commandment, that they be equal in their temporal things and this not grudgingly, for homes and lands.

This is a sign, and a fruit, of the true church of Jesus Christ, that not organized and set up as a standard, stops you from being his true church, for if you are not equal and as one, he says, you are not his.

You can go on, and on, and on, building temples, welfare farms, public works projects, putting the LORD's storehouse assets out to the exchangers, and investments of this world for profit, or Babylon, but if you as a people, reject God's law, and are still divided into classes of rich and poor, you have only followed the others, who have followed the Mother of all harlots, and Whore of inequality of all the earth, after Babylon, and earthly idols.

Look to the scriptures given you, of those who rather than set up the tower, put out the money to the exchangers; and of the foolish virgins, who fooled around not getting oil in their lamps, ready for the bridegroom; and of invited guests to a wedding, who delayed, and did not come.

Eyes to see, ears to hear, hearts that understand.

Where is the Wisdom?

O Ephraim, awaken from this deep sleep fallen upon you, and get out of bed sleepyheads, and go and do, as God has said.♡

Be equal in your temporal things, and this not grudgingly, for homes and lands; for among all of you, there is more than enough and to spare to do this which God has commanded of you. Delay no longer getting this accomplished, that your Christian, Jewish, and Muslim, relatives of Abraham, can see this light and tower, ensign, and sign, of the true church of the living God, once more upon this earth, "All things common" among the members, and join together with you in this, serving God, and one another, with peace and goodwill, manifesting charity, and love, one towards another.

Where is a Melchizedek or an Enoch when you need one such as them?

Who among the Twelve, is mighty and strong to deliver this people, from their captivity?

May he, or they, step forward soon.♡

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Good to get the money back from the exchangers, and set up the tower, as requested of God, and be the light, unto all the nations of this earth, of "all things common" among you.♡

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Labor pains are not easy.♡

Micah 4:10 ♡

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Who has such great faith in Jesus Christ, that their is more than enough and to spare to give every member of need a stewarship of home and land, sufficient for their needs and wants, with plenty left over?

This requires mighty faith, in Jesus Christ.♡

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