Pre Adamites

[seeker of knowledge]

I just want to know what every ones thoughts are on pre adamites. I don't believe that humans came from apes or any thing. I just mean humans that lived on the earth before or during Adam's time. I know that Hugh Nibley said they could have been real. So what are your thoughts?

[jbalm]

I agree that they are real. I even think we might have evolved from something a bit more monkeyish than ourselves.

Whether or not Adam literally existed is the difficult question.

[Riley Corvus]

The Lord told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth" implying humans have populated the earth before.

[Tribunal]

The Lord told Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth" implying humans have populated the earth before.

Actually it doesn't imply that. The word 'replenish' in the Hebrew text is male or mala which means 'to fill'. This translates into Old English (c. 1611) as to 'fill up' or to 'replenish'. I thought the same thing for years until I studied the etymology. I still believe there were people on the earth before Adam and Eve but this verse doesn't support that.

[TannerG]

I agree that they are real. I even think we might have evolved from something a bit more monkeyish than ourselves.

Whether or not Adam literally existed is the difficult question.

+1

[marktheshark]

Before Adam came into the telestial earth, the telestial earth had a long history of life. It has many stories to tell, some of which we have glimpses of through fossil records.


Adam was indeed a real person, all scripture and modern revelation supports that, without leaving any doubt. We are descendant from him.

As to the pre-adamite humanesque life forms, there is limited known evidence of anything very close to modern homo sapiens. Many ape like animals. The evidence of evolution from monkeys to modern homo sapiens really is not very strong IMO.

[Sirocco]

Actually it is, the whole Adam and Eve story was always the worst for me, because it's really dumb. How do two people populate the earth, who did their children have sex with to make more people?!
I don't take "scripture and revelation" as proof of really anything. I trust the sciences, in saying so I wholly believe in evolution, and certainly accept the idea that if there is a divine of some sort, surely it planned evolution and put it in this direction.

Here's a quote that reminds me so much of religious people, the idea of creationism and even faith itself in some regards.

"Don't get hung up on these minor facts. Truth is about more than that, truth is a feeling in your gut that you know is true! Truth is searching for anything that proves you're right no matter how small, and holding on to that, no matter what. "

[marktheshark]

Actually it is, the whole Adam and Eve story was always the worst for me, because it's really dumb. How do two people populate the earth, who did their children have sex with to make more people?!
I don't take "scripture and revelation" as proof of really anything. I trust the sciences, in saying so I wholly believe in evolution, and certainly accept the idea that if there is a divine of some sort, surely it planned evolution and put it in this direction.

Here's a quote that reminds me so much of religious people, the idea of creationism and even faith itself in some regards.

"Don't get hung up on these minor facts. Truth is about more than that, truth is a feeling in your gut that you know is true! Truth is searching for anything that proves you're right no matter how small, and holding on to that, no matter what. "

Honest question:

As an atheist, what is your purpose in being on this forum?

[Sirocco]

Oh I'm not an Atheist, I would consider such thing to be foolish, as if I knew there was no divine!
I certainly believe there is one. Personally I don't think it cares about me one way or another, though it could care for you, I have no idea.
Now while I may not subscribe to the idea of prophets or saviours I do think there is a lot of wisdom to be had from scripture or these men. I watch General Conference, read often, and ponder a great many things.
It's just done in a very bizarre way.

Like to me, evolution and the cosmos is the biggest proof a divine exists, something so intricate and grand and ancient, it's wondrous to me in every way.
But I don't pray to that creator or wonder if it dislikes my coffee drinking or fornication, or whatever.
I find a lot of what the LDS church to be good, and a lot I greatly disagree with.
To me scripture is about teaching a lesson, not a literal history or science, I get so much more out of it when I look at it that way.

But in the end I could be totally wrong, Jesus could come tomorrow and say "oh yeah it really was this way, I am the son of God not just a man as you thought" and I'd be the first one to admit being wrong.
You can't learn without seeing the other views.
I can't grow as a person if I shut myself off and only have my ideas surrounding me.

[RyanK]

I just want to know what every ones thoughts are on pre adamites. I don't believe that humans came from apes or any thing. I just mean humans that lived on the earth before or during Adam's time. I know that Hugh Nibley said they could have been real. So what are your thoughts?

I found this resource very informational and instructive:
http://www.josephsmithforum.org/researc ... y/science/

[ajax]

But I don't pray to that creator or wonder if it dislikes my coffee drinking or fornication, or whatever.

He's watching and taking notes of the sordid details Sirocco.

[jbalm]

But I don't pray to that creator or wonder if it dislikes my coffee drinking or fornication, or whatever.

He's watching and taking notes of the sordid details Sirocco.

You're thinking of Santa.

[Sirocco]

But I don't pray to that creator or wonder if it dislikes my coffee drinking or fornication, or whatever.

He's watching and taking notes of the sordid details Sirocco.

Well he'll have to, I ain't going to one of his "go to guys" lol

[davedan]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

[ajax]

But I don't pray to that creator or wonder if it dislikes my coffee drinking or fornication, or whatever.

He's watching and taking notes of the sordid details Sirocco.

You're thinking of Santa.

What's the dif?

[Sirocco]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

They are a relative of us but we killed them, mostly.
We do that a lot, there were a lot of other humanoids but we either interbred with them, or killed them. Or both.

[jbalm]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

But neanderthals became extinct about 40,000 years ago. So there were about 34,000 years worth of pre-Adamite homo sapiens.

[jbalm]

He's watching and taking notes of the sordid details Sirocco.

You're thinking of Santa.

What's the dif?

Varying degrees of jolliness.

[Sirocco]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

But neanderthals became extinct about 40,000 years ago. So there were about 34,000 years worth of pre-Adamite homo sapiens.

[jbalm]

Uncle Rog?

[triple777]

If you don't know if Adam was real then you are lost.

That is the same as saying God is not real and his Son Jesus Christ is not real.

5000 post and you have no idea if Adam was real. Please delete account and move on, stop persecuting Christ Church. I feel for any real people on here trying to get real answers.

[SmallFarm]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

But neanderthals became extinct about 40,000 years ago. So there were about 34,000 years worth of pre-Adamite homo sapiens.

How do you know? :-B

[Sirocco]

There were Neanderthal. Adam was not descended from them. The Bible and genetic anthropology says that Man and Neanderthal mixed creating hybrids (Cro-magnon or Giants).

This is only important because some would gave people believe the Bible says angels or aliens mingled with man. Neither is true.

But neanderthals became extinct about 40,000 years ago. So there were about 34,000 years worth of pre-Adamite homo sapiens.

How do you know? :-B

[Sirocco]

If you don't know if Adam was real then you are lost.

That is the same as saying God is not real and his Son Jesus Christ is not real.

5000 post and you have no idea if Adam was real. Please delete account and move on, stop persecuting Christ Church. I feel for any real people on here trying to get real answers.

[jbalm]

If you don't know if Adam was real then you are lost.

That is the same as saying God is not real and his Son Jesus Christ is not real.

5000 post and you have no idea if Adam was real. Please delete account and move on, stop persecuting Christ Church. I feel for any real people on here trying to get real answers.

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