LDS Freedom Forum

Ribble wrote:I doubt it. You don't even have to be a prophet to read the tea leaves now-a-days. Just look at what's going on in Indiana for example. The brethren know that the adversary is waiting to "pounce" if they don't watch their "p's" and "q's."

It reminds me of The Lord of the Rings when Sam and Frodo have to duck for cover every time that giant evil eye makes a pass (sorry, not a huge Rings fan and I can't remember the name of the evil eye).

So, I don't believe any direct pressure is needed. Heck, if anything I'll wager that Lucifer and his minions are hoping that the church comes out front, center and bold on a controversial issue.

Vice President Dick Cheney's plan to speak at BYU graduation is inspiring protests, petitions and opposition. The vice president is scheduled to speak next month. One BYU official tells us the initial request came from the White House.

Most students we talked with seem to support the visit, but others have submitted requests to demonstrate on campus both April 4th and graduation day, April 26th. At least two petition drives are drawing thousands to sign on, voicing opposition on the web.

friendsofthe wrote:This is something I've been thinking about lately. Do any of you think that the Gads make direct threats to the brethren? Are they under not so scuttle pressure to go along with and not expose the Gads?

Bruce Wydner wrote:EXPLANATION
... to Church Members who have wanted to be able to help begin the Accomplishment of this Church Goal.

Michael Merrit was born in Britain and raised in the Mansion, there, of his parents. His mother’s father, Evelyn Rothschild, had become the Supervisor for the Owner of that which was, “the Federal Reserve of the USA.”

Michael’s parents also owned a ranch near Boise, Idaho, where they would spend their summers. As a youth who became acquainted with and did things with the other youths who lived in their neighborhood, Michael began going to Church with some of his LDS neighbor friends and, then, joined the Church. After he returned from his Mission his Grandfather, who had become aware of his abilities, told him that he wanted Michael to become his Successor, to his responsibilities.

The following is what Michael, a Member of Cleon Skousen’s Center for Constitution Studies, told those of us associated with it, was why he had to answer his Grandfather, “Oh, Grandfather, I can’t do that!”

Michael said that virtually everything that his Grandfather did he did because of Hatred. He said that if persons were doing things that blocked what his Grandfather and his Organization were doing he and they would plan the Murder of those opponents in a way that they would not be able to be identified with their doing that.

Since there was no way that a faithful LDS Returned Missionary could be in that, that was why he told his Grandfather that he couldn’t. To that his Grandfather answered, “Then you are cut off from all of the Resources of this Organization from this day on!”

“The Story.”

... in 1985 ... Evelyn Rothschild went to Salt Lake City, to begin there his War against the Church. ...

However, then, in 1985, when President Kimball, at age 90, only had a few more weeks to live, and the General Authority next in line to become the Church President, Ezra Taft Benson, was administering many of the Duties that were soon to be his, as the Church President, the Federal Reserve’s Leader, Evelyn Rothschild, came to understand how ... the LDS Church were rescuing the US Government from ... Bankruptcy to the Federal Reserve ... came to President Benson’s Office and told him how the Federal Reserve was now, “declaring its War on the LDS Church.”

Michael Merrit told us how his Grandfather told President Benson, “You will do what we say OR WE WILL DESTROY YOU!”

At that President Benson had to turn over, from Ownership by the Church to Ownership by the Federal Reserve, Zions Bank, Beneficial Life Corporation, and ZCMI.

For those of us who are close friends with the Family of Ezra Taft Benson, it was such a heartbreak, during President Benson’s first years as Church President, when he had to tell the Church, “The Church is under condemnation!”

“How was it that that ‘takeover’ worked?”

The “Checkbook” (of the Church)..., is a Zions Bank Checkbook.

The current non-Church Owners and Administrators of Zions Bank have their Controls over knowing what those Checks are for.

Darren wrote:When you care to know how bad things are, the Lord shows you, and then you ask to have it shut up. To know the witnesses I have heard and seen would make anyone shutter. Does anyone know the circumstances that brought about the downfall of Cleon Skousen's Freeman Institute? That alone would make you shutter. Or what of Michael Merritt telling the Leaders of the National Center for Constitutional Studies about his Grandfather Evelyn Rothschild's visit to church HQ, telling Ezra Taft Benson that he was declaring war on the Church?
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Darren

friendsofthe wrote: ↑April 1st, 2015, 11:21 pm This is something I've been thinking about lately. Do any of you think that the Gads make direct threats to the brethren? Are they under not so scuttle pressure to go along with and not expose the Gads?

lundbaek wrote: ↑November 13th, 2019, 4:11 pm

friendsofthe wrote: ↑April 1st, 2015, 11:21 pm This is something I've been thinking about lately. Do any of you think that the Gads make direct threats to the brethren? Are they under not so scuttle pressure to go along with and not expose the Gads?

The late Jerome Horowitz, author of THE ELDERS OF ISRAEL AND THE CONSTITUTION, wrote to me, “Confirming our telephone conversation I think the Church is cautious about openly participating in freedom promotion activities partly because of concern about government retribution that might unduly hinder its primary religious mission and partly because so many members have been indoctrinated to favor federal dominance and federal welfare and regulation that there is concern that a strong constitutional position might split the Church.” Brother Horowitz had done many firesides and presentations on the Constitution and its special importance to Latter-day Saints.

I believe the "retirement" of Professor Steven Jones was fomented by action of someone(s) in the FedGov in or close to the White House.

I believe the speech some years ago by Vice-President Richard Cheney was imposed on the Church and BYU by someone(s) in the FedGov in or close to the White House.

The failure (and I do mean FAILURE) of BYU to invite Ron Paul to speak at the Y is a disgrace in my opinion.

David13 wrote: ↑November 14th, 2019, 9:28 am One of the things that I have noticed in moving to Utah is that the level of stupidity is much higher here.

Darren wrote: ↑November 14th, 2019, 2:02 pm Without realizing it so many LDS have joined the Gadianton robbers, especially in Utah, so that they will fit in, and to climb the political ladders.

Darren wrote: ↑November 14th, 2019, 2:02 pm Without realizing it so many LDS have joined the Gadianton robbers, especially in Utah, so that they will fit in, and to climb the political ladders.

Just like everybody else you were born with a natural human element responsible for success, and then at some time, usually around the age of eight, that element fell into disuse. This is also the same reason that most people have problems remembering the details of their early childhood. You were in touch with this amazing element, and you used it every day in your decision making, but the adults wanted you to move away from your “childlike” view of life and instead move into their world where life is viewed from the perspective of your superiors, where somebody “smarter” than you has already made important decisions for you. Since then your uniqueness and drive enabling element has been hindered by systems of control. They invaded your innermost human attribute to gain access to your most valuable commodity. But I have found the secret formula that will liberate you, and give back to you the unique and amazing gifts humanity initially endowed upon you.

and said, "Most certainly I tell you, unless you turn, and become as little children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Matthew 18:3

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑November 14th, 2019, 3:50 pm

Darren wrote: ↑November 14th, 2019, 2:02 pm Without realizing it so many LDS have joined the Gadianton robbers, especially in Utah, so that they will fit in, and to climb the political ladders.

What qualifies someone as having joined with the Gadianton robbers? Is there a specific threshold?