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Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 11:53 am
by Lizzy60
Tony---
Do you really see a distinction between taking away someone's recommend today, and denying them a renewal of their recommend next month or next year?
You will go to great lengths to try to prove you are ALWAYS right. Pride, much????
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 11:58 am
by EmmaLee
@-) Oh my gosh. I feel like this is the Twilight Zone. Reality plays no part in some people's lives.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 12:40 pm
by EmmaLee
Tony wrote:I never said they would TAKE AWAY the temple recommend that someone already has.
So, in your mind, a member who advocates for same-sex marriage who already has a recommend is good to go. But a member who advocates for same-sex marriage and their recommend is up for renewal, they are not good to go. Makes ZERO sense. "Take away" "Deny" - a distinction without a difference.
If a person stated in a temple recommend interview that they belong to a group "whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," that person would be denied a temple recommend.
NOT true. Not in my ward/stake according to my Bishop/stake president. My husband and I confirmed this with both of them in the last 24 hours. I also called a good friend of mine this morning whose husband is the stake president in their area of New Mexico - same thing - no recommends will be denied or taken away for advocating for same-sex marriage or for affiliating with those who do (her husband, the stake president, then sent me an email stating the same). Have you watched/read the interview with Elder Christofferson (with Elder Perry in tow) yet?
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 2:01 pm
by Tony
Tabula Rasa wrote:Tony wrote:I never said they would TAKE AWAY the temple recommend that someone already has.
So, in your mind, a member who advocates for same-sex marriage who already has a recommend is good to go. But a member who advocates for same-sex marriage and their recommend is up for renewal, they are not good to go. Makes ZERO sense. "Take away" "Deny" - a distinction without a difference.
If a person stated in a temple recommend interview that they belong to a group "whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," that person would be denied a temple recommend.
NOT true. Not in my ward/stake according to my Bishop/stake president. My husband and I confirmed this with both of them in the last 24 hours. I also called a good friend of mine this morning whose husband is the stake president in their area of New Mexico - same thing - no recommends will be denied or taken away for advocating for same-sex marriage or for affiliating with those who do (her husband, the stake president, then sent me an email stating the same). Have you watched/read the interview with Elder Christofferson (with Elder Perry in tow) yet?
Actually, it is now the law of the land thanks to the Supreme Court changing the definition of marriage, and we support the law of the land. However, it is still true that if a person stated in a temple recommend interview that they belong to a group "whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," that person would be denied a temple recommend.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 2:06 pm
by Lizzy60
Saying that we support the law of the land, and therefore we support ABORTION and gay marriage, is totally, absolutely, unequivocally WRONG.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, on every level. And if The Church tells us any different, they will be damning themselves to hell.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 2:45 pm
by EmmaLee
You're funny, Tony. That actually gave me a good laugh.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 2:57 pm
by Sirocco
Lizzy60 wrote:Saying that we support the law of the land, and therefore we support ABORTION and gay marriage, is totally, absolutely, unequivocally WRONG.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, on every level. And if The Church tells us any different, they will be damning themselves to hell.
But I thought Christ lead the church?
If the church says it, and it's lead by Christ, reason would hold that Christ told them that...
So is it a follow the prophet only when one agrees what they say?
I mean that sounds like something I would do, but still ... kind of odd.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 3:07 pm
by Tony
Lizzy60 wrote:Saying that we support the law of the land, and therefore we support ABORTION and gay marriage, is totally, absolutely, unequivocally WRONG.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, on every level. And if The Church tells us any different, they will be damning themselves to hell.
Yes, anyone who supports gay marriage or abortion is damning themselves to hell. Just the same, we sustain the law.
"We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 3:49 pm
by Elizabeth
Much will not be understood until we pass. What our Spirit is allowed to testify to us from our pre mortal knowledge is why we are here. From this point we can understand what is important for us to know, and what is not.
Sirocco wrote: I feel weary about people who have too many answers.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 3:58 pm
by marc
Is it me or is it The New Era magazine cover a coincidence?
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:00 pm
by marc
A lot of "white" landmarks/buildings went rainbow just recently. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I just found it curious.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:03 pm
by Lizzy60
I'm sure it's a coincidence, but alas, it's very poor timing on the use of the YW value colors.
Someone else has pointed out that when the YW use the "value colors" nail polish (available at Deseret Book, I think) they appear to be supporting SSM, like certain athletes.
Maybe that nail polish has been discontinued????
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:08 pm
by marc
I don't read the magazine, so I don't know if the YW value colors is relevant to the cover theme. I didn't even know there were any value colors. How long has the value color thing been around and what do they represent?
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:18 pm
by Lizzy60
Get ready for major girlie overload.
https://www.pinterest.com/iheartshowtoo ... en-values/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I also saw where Disney Princesses were assigned to each color and value. :ymsick:
https://www.pinterest.com/nicholareynol ... rstitial=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/140526450848132951/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:21 pm
by EmmaLee
Lizzy60 wrote:Get ready for major girlie overload.
I also saw where Disney Princesses were assigned to each color and value. :ymsick:
Surely not. Ah, the wisdom of God in only giving me sons. #:-s ;)
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:23 pm
by Lizzy60
Tabula Rasa wrote:Lizzy60 wrote:Get ready for major girlie overload.
I also saw where Disney Princesses were assigned to each color and value. :ymsick:
Surely not. Ah, the wisdom of God in only giving me sons. #:-s ;)
Check the third link I added to my post. Some of the princesses have modesty issues =))
We will start our girls on cognitive dissonance at an early age!
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:27 pm
by EmmaLee
#-o Have mercy....
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:55 pm
by Elizabeth
How did it happen that what was a beautiful word, beautiful colours, and a sign of hope from God, have been able to be hyjacked and distorted in meaning by a sad sad immoral few.
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Posted: July 9th, 2015, 4:58 pm
by Lizzy60
Satan has always tried to usurp anything good and beautiful, and use it towards his ends. The more sacred, the more he wants to claim it as his own.
Elizabeth wrote:How did it happen that what was a beautiful word, beautiful colours, and a sign of hope from God, have been able to be hyjacked and distorted in meaning by a sad sad immoral few.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 8:12 pm
by ajax
marc wrote:
Is it me or is it The New Era magazine cover a coincidence?
God's sense of humor
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 9:30 pm
by briznian
Tony wrote:President Monson has the keys and the authority; you do not have the keys nor the authority.
LOLZ, in other words: "Sit down and shut up because KEYS!"
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 10:25 pm
by Sirocco
Elizabeth wrote:Much will not be understood until we pass. What our Spirit is allowed to testify to us from our pre mortal knowledge is why we are here. From this point we can understand what is important for us to know, and what is not.
Sirocco wrote: I feel weary about people who have too many answers.
Again, I am weary of people who claim to have too many answers or too much power.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 9th, 2015, 11:39 pm
by A Random Phrase
marc wrote:I don't read the magazine, so I don't know if the YW value colors is relevant to the cover theme. I didn't even know there were any value colors. How long has the value color thing been around and what do they represent?
A color has been designated for each Value as a visual identification and as a reminder of the principle. . . .
Value (Color)
FAITH (White)
DIVINE NATURE (Blue)
INDIVIDUAL WORTH (Red)
KNOWLEDGE (Green)
CHOICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY (Orange)
GOOD WORKS (Yellow)
INTEGRITY (Purple)
From here.
Virtue was added a few years ago. I think it's supposed to be gold.
From this brief history. Official colors other than the one in 1922 are not mentioned, though. "1922 – Gold and green become the official colors of the MIA. ... 1972 – YWMIA becomes an auxiliary to the priesthood."
Another site with the history of yw. "The personal progress helper" site.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 10th, 2015, 12:25 am
by Tony
briznian wrote:Tony wrote:President Monson has the keys and the authority; you do not have the keys nor the authority.
LOLZ, in other words: "Sit down and shut up because KEYS!"
You accurately characterized Satan's view of keys and authority.
Re: Apostle says it's okay to support gay marriage
Posted: July 10th, 2015, 12:38 am
by A Random Phrase
Tony, I find it interesting how you word most of your posts.
Nearly everything is a "statement of fact," as though you have spent years in God's presence and in the devil's presence. You come off as an authority on everything religious.
I don't believe I've ever seen you word things in such a way as, "I believe," or "I think," or "I see it this way" or "my experience/research leads me to believe."
It is pretty much always a black and white statement. This IS the way God is. This IS the way the devil is. This IS the way the Church is. No room for anything except your opinion being perfectly 100% infallible.
I find it to be quite the interesting phenomenon.